Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs

[ManBearPig...]

Except deep tissue massages.

i realize it's only the internet and no arguments can be won; i'll listen to the other point, and if i can't beat it, i'll just bow down (without admitting defeat of course).

but poo sniffers like tdongz are the worst kind.  always spouting off talking points without any frame of realistic reference.  how dare he give out solutions to employment woes when he himself never had a job?  how can he spew shit on providing for a family when he's single and living off his mom's dime who i'm sure works 12 hour days to support his 250 lb fat ass laying on the couch all day dreaming up his next ug lab cycle?  how can he say ban outsourcing, and then order gear from china?  i KNOW he's not buying abbot or pfizer at the pharmacy, so who's he fooling?

how can he talk about advantages of unions when he's never worked in one or managed workers who are in one?

reminds me of a labor day bitchfest i had with my uncle.  he was going on about how sweden has its welfare and education all sorted out, to which i responded with "how many people float to sweden on tires or doors every day?"  he smiled but i can tell his pussy was swelling up. 

he then went on to say how companies are profitable under obama now, i said "yes, because they're firing people like you and replacing them with machines or eliminating positions altogether and cutting their expenses, not increasing revenue" , he once again stood there like a bitch.

just make sure you're a human of good standing with sound facts, not just regurgitating shit from that wrinkled greek vagina arianna huffington.

[The True Adonis]

i realize it's only the internet and no arguments can be won; i'll listen to the other point, and if i can't beat it, i'll just bow down (without admitting defeat of course).

but poo sniffers like tdongz are the worst kind.  always spouting off talking points without any frame of realistic reference.  how dare he give out solutions to employment woes when he himself never had a job?  how can he spew shit on providing for a family when he's single and living off his mom's dime who i'm sure works 12 hour days to support his 250 lb fat ass laying on the couch all day dreaming up his next ug lab cycle?  how can he say ban outsourcing, and then order gear from china?  i KNOW he's not buying abbot or pfizer at the pharmacy, so who's he fooling?

how can he talk about advantages of unions when he's never worked in one or managed workers who are in one?

reminds me of a labor day bitchfest i had with my uncle.  he was going on about how sweden has its welfare and education all sorted out, to which i responded with "how many people float to sweden on tires or doors every day?"  he smiled but i can tell his pussy was swelling up. 

he then went on to say how companies are profitable under obama now, i said "yes, because they're firing people like you and replacing them with machines or eliminating positions altogether and cutting their expenses, not increasing revenue" , he once again stood there like a bitch.

just make sure you're a human of good standing with sound facts, not just regurgitating shit from that wrinkled greek vagina arianna huffington.

Sweden is nice if you like living in a 745 Sq. Ft shitbox on land the size of a postage stamp. 

[Emmortal]

unions are the biggest bullshit ever invented and it's the reason people are poor

stop trying to find ways to work as less as possible and you might get more $$$

Most of those regulations are probably in place because the unions fought for them in the first place. If you got rid of the unions I'm sure those entitlements would slowly be eroded.

Unions served a purpose at a point in history, they haven't always been what they are today and served a purpose in protecting workers rights.  You are correct, most of the legislation we have today is from unions, however not all of it is, such as child labour laws which were pushed to be instituted by a large movement by mothers who's children were working in the factories at that time.

The idea that these laws would erode over time because unions are keeping them in tact is ludicrous at best.  Typewriters were useful at one point that doesn't mean we should still use them.

[Red Hook]

we bailed these cock suckers out and this is how they repay us.  

I give the USA 15-25 years before we sink to 3rd world status

[Emmortal]

we bailed these cock suckers out and this is how they repay us.  

I give the USA 15-25 years before we sink to 3rd world status

3rd world status isn't really a concern, totalitarian rule is however.

[gcb]

Unions served a purpose at a point in history, they haven't always been what they are today and served a purpose in protecting workers rights.  You are correct, most of the legislation we have today is from unions, however not all of it is, such as child labour laws which were pushed to be instituted by a large movement by mothers who's children were working in the factories at that time.

The idea that these laws would erode over time because unions are keeping them in tact is ludicrous at best.  Typewriters were useful at one point that doesn't mean we should still use them.

You're being naive. I live in Australia and the previous (conservative) government drastically restructured labor laws to remove provisions for unfair dismissal and such. If you think it can't happen in the US you're wrong.

[Emmortal]

You're being naive. I live in Australia and the previous (conservative) government drastically restructured labor laws to remove provisions for unfair dismissal and such. If you think it can't happen in the US you're wrong.

That's why states in the US have their own labor laws.  Unions in the US do not provide a stop gap for change in legislation.

[ManBearPig...]

we bailed these cock suckers out and this is how they repay us.  

I give the USA 15-25 years before we sink to 3rd world status

you mean ford?

ford didn't take any bailout money.

[GigantorX]

you mean ford?

ford didn't take any bailout money.

Correct, sir!

Kind of hard to have a discussion when certain posters don't know a lot of stuff about said subject.


Also, can we move this to the POLITICAL BOARD

[Swede!]

And in other news....

the Los Angeles Dodgers got an offer for $1.2 billion dollars to sell the team to the chinese government


http://www.huliq.com/10061/dodgers-fans-stunned-chinese-government-offer-buy-team

"Frank McCourt received an all-cash offer of $1.2 billion to sell the Dodgers"

holy shit. what does 1.2 billion look like in cash anyway?

[tbombz]

What wage guarnatees and working condition quality levels do unions provide that the  past 50 years of labor legislation covering everything from workers compensation, health standards in work environments,  to unemployment benefits provide exactly?

Please be specific in the exact mechanisms unions are beneficial that are not covered by legislation already in place protecting workers rights, equality and work environment health quality conditions.

exact mechanism= represent the interests of the employees when management is deciding what the pay, benefits, hours, and policies will be.

(hint= the laws enacted created to protect workers created minimum standards... employers are required to do the minimum.. if employees deserve more and arent getting it ..  how do they go about exerting their influence on the conditions? )

Collapse the middle class. Expand the lower class. And socialism will be excepted with open arms by the majority.

so lets put this gem into better words. your accusing obama of trying to destroy the economy because he thinks doing so will make everyone want socialism. if obama was trying to destroy the economy then he would be trying to do so with his economic policies. so far he has been fairly liberal albeit compromising with the conservative view. the regulations he keeps in place would be the mechanism through which he would be trying to destroy the economy. those mechanisms hes using, the ones people are going to hate because they destroyed the economy, are liberal.. almost "socialist" in nature. and so the plan obama has is to destroy the economy using socialism in order to gain support of socialism? dude ??

No, it means our clients can't afford the rates of a 100% US labor force in this economy.

youd lose customers because they would be able to go to a different company which still outsourced.

They aren't outsourcing, they are building a plant in India to better serve the Indian market.

Get it?

if thats true i didnt know that. thats soemthign different.

As of 2009 that number was 3.6 million. Most being in Leisure and Hospitality so they make up the other $$$ through tips etc. 6 in 10 worked as food servers and in restaurants.

The majority of them are young and without a college education, and that goes for all major ethnic/racial groups in the U.S.  "Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly-paid workers, they made up about half of those paid the Federal minimum wage or less."

Ages 16 and Over.....

-3% of college graduates earn the minimum wage
10% w/o a H.S. degree earn M.W.
4.% w/ a H.S. degree and nothing higher earn M.W.

Don't come on here and try to pull this bullshit like 1/2 of the nation is earning M.W., they aren't. Minimum wage earners make up a tiny, tiny fraction of the U.S. work force and hourly work force.

So in other words.......

Shut the fuck up and go away.

hey dumbass! 3.6 million people making minimum wage = MILLIONS OF PEOPLE MAKING MINIMUM WAGE

i realize it's only the internet and no arguments can be won; i'll listen to the other point, and if i can't beat it, i'll just bow down (without admitting defeat of course).

but poo sniffers like tdongz are the worst kind.  always spouting off talking points without any frame of realistic reference.  how dare he give out solutions to employment woes when he himself never had a job?  how can he spew shit on providing for a family when he's single and living off his mom's dime who i'm sure works 12 hour days to support his 250 lb fat ass laying on the couch all day dreaming up his next ug lab cycle?  how can he say ban outsourcing, and then order gear from china?  i KNOW he's not buying abbot or pfizer at the pharmacy, so who's he fooling?

how can he talk about advantages of unions when he's never worked in one or managed workers who are in one?

reminds me of a labor day bitchfest i had with my uncle.  he was going on about how sweden has its welfare and education all sorted out, to which i responded with "how many people float to sweden on tires or doors every day?"  he smiled but i can tell his pussy was swelling up. 

he then went on to say how companies are profitable under obama now, i said "yes, because they're firing people like you and replacing them with machines or eliminating positions altogether and cutting their expenses, not increasing revenue" , he once again stood there like a bitch.

just make sure you're a human of good standing with sound facts, not just regurgitating shit from that wrinkled greek vagina arianna huffington.

this is your last attempt ? this is the best you could do ? its completely unrelated to the argument.   

btw, revenues arent increasing becase companies had to fire people.    nice point

[Board_SHERIF]

who buys USA cars ?? kids who do not know better.......