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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2011, 02:20:27 PM »
unions make their profit margin smaller than it would be otherwise, true. but they perform a vital function in an economy. without unions the wages and working conditions would be left entirely up to employers creating a system of inequality and oppression.  

 yea, lets ban unions so instead of companies paying slave wages in other countries they can pay slave wages to americans.  ya, lets go ahead and get rid of a century of progress so we can gain back the jobs we lost when companies decided to go overseas where they could revert back to their old ways of paying nothing, demanding workers labor for insane hours, and dont have to deal with any environmental regulations.  sounds like a great idea.

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There are laws in every state that make sure employers are not taking advantage of the employee. Unions are not needed. This is not the 1920's where the unions had a vital role in protecting workers. They have outlived their usefulness.

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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2011, 02:23:34 PM »
unions are the biggest bullshit ever invented and it's the reason people are poor

stop trying to find ways to work as less as possible and you might get more $$$

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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2011, 02:26:16 PM »




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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2011, 02:59:35 PM »
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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2011, 04:17:38 PM »
yes, because non union jobs such as doctors, lawyers, computer programmers, etc are living on slave wages.  i work in a company with 12 non union workers and they all make over 50k/yr and not one has a college degree, etc.  just a skillset that provides for a decent living for them.

skillset = appropriate wage.

you're a fucking idiot, really.

edit:  also, what the fuck do "environmental regulations" have to do with wages?

i say you start the revolution tdongz, from now on just buy american made products, including your steroids. 

also, most "union" jobs are for services that can't be outsourced, such as construction, services, teaching, etc.

fuck, i get headaches from your stupidity.

your living in a dream world, go talk to the millions of americans making minimum wage.

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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2011, 04:23:51 PM »
your living in a dream world, go talk to the millions of americans making minimum wage.

no, i live in the real world, where i have to make my own money and feed my family.  at your age, i was already out of college with a 4 year degree and employing people.

you're the one living in a fantasy world where you think muscles matter, where you're unemployed and going to school twice a week, all the while spewing cut and paste bullshit you read on liberal blogs.  i mean, could you really put any LESS of an effort into being a human being?  you give advice on any and all subjects, yet your only "real world" experience is fucking some fat bitch while her creep husband watches and caresses your butt.
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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2011, 04:49:52 PM »
your living in a dream world, go talk to the millions of americans making minimum wage.

And odds are those people have no skills to offer to any real paying jobs.   
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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2011, 04:52:06 PM »
And odds are those people have no skills to offer to any real paying jobs.   

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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2011, 04:59:15 PM »
no, i live in the real world, where i have to make my own money and feed my family.  at your age, i was already out of college with a 4 year degree and employing people.

you're the one living in a fantasy world where you think muscles matter, where you're unemployed and going to school twice a week, all the while spewing cut and paste bullshit you read on liberal blogs.  i mean, could you really put any LESS of an effort into being a human being?  you give advice on any and all subjects, yet your only "real world" experience is fucking some fat bitch while her creep husband watches and caresses your butt.

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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2011, 05:04:01 PM »
It may seem a cruel irony that the one U.S. automaker that took no bailout money is now at greater risk of a national strike as it continues labor negotiations with union leaders.

Based upon initial tallies last week, rank and file Ford United Auto Worker members were leaning overwhelmingly toward a national strike authorization against their employer. With the current national labor contracts set to expire September 14 at General Motors, Chrysler and Ford, local union representatives at Ford were reporting 97 percent of their membership was voting to authorize a strike, if necessary.

"I don't want to see any more concessions,” said Gary Farris, a Kentucky-based Ford plant employee since 1993. “I'd like to get a raise we haven't had a raise for a long time."

Farris says he has two kids in college and would like to see Ford again provide the same college assistance that it took away just as his kids were starting college.

Ford is the only one of the Big Three domestic automakers where, legally, workers can strike. Both GM and Chrysler and their union workers agreed in accepting the federal government's auto bailout in 2009 to resolve contract issues through binding arbitration.

But as ominous as the strike authorization sounds, some auto analysts believe it is merely a negotiating tool and that the prospect of a strike against Ford is unlikely.

"This is a pro forma kind of a thing. It's something the union has to do as part of its governing regulations, and they go to the membership and ask are we willing to strike," said Kristin Dziczek of the Center for Automotive Research. "In the contract it was one of the union’s weapons. They’ve got another arrow in the quiver."

Further, the mood among the UAW rank and file is not ripe for a strike, believes Dr. Arthur Schwartz of Labor and Economics Associates, who is also a former labor negotiator for GM.

"I think they're going to be able to get an agreement. I think there's room to reward the workers for the success of the company while still not adding to the fixed costs in the future of the company,” he said. “There's a settlement out there, and to not get it, I think, would really be a tragedy. I don't think Bob King and the UAW leadership is really thinking about that."

Dziczek says that the ravages of the recession have been a learning experience for the UAW, much as they have been for the entire American workforce.

"There's been a change in terms of understanding the fate of membership is really tied to health of those companies, so the leadership really understands that they are trying to create a more competitive company. When the company does well, their members will do well. And when the companies do not do so well members, will also not gain," he said.

In addition, the increased globalization of industry and auto manufacturing has focused the UAW's energy in other directions.

"UAW President Bob King has two things that he's trying to do," said Schwartz. "One is, he's trying to organize the foreign transplants and a strike at Ford would send absolutely the wrong message in that regard. And secondly, he's got the Obama re-election campaign. And Obama was very good to the auto industry in general in '09. And a strike would be a real thumb in the eye in that case. I really can't see a strike at Ford.”

Still, the strike threat that now looms against Ford pertains to only national issues. But there are many UAW local chapters that negotiate local contracts, and a strike at the local level can be as damaging as one at the national level. GM and Chrysler are still susceptible to local strikes.

"If you strike a key engine plant or a key stamping plant you can shut down assembly plants. The 1998 Flint strike at GM was a local strike that essentially shut down the entire company," said Schwartz.

While most of the attention is centered on the Ford negotiation, the UAW is simultaneously negotiating with GM and Chrysler. According to the Detroit News, bargaining with GM and Chrysler is well ahead of the Ford talks, as negotiators work through the weekends and Labor Day holiday.

The talks with the larger manufacturer, GM, will mostly likely dictate the majority of the terms of the Chrysler contract. Ford and UAW negotiators are also well into their talks, but the intensity of negotiations is not expected to peak until after the Labor Day holiday.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/09/05/ford-at-greater-risk-strike-after-avoiding-bailout-money/#ixzz1XDiiJ8TP

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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2011, 05:15:47 PM »
globalization vs isolation....

the thing is we NEED to take care our ourselves first, and this goes without saying giving billions to other countries so they can be "fixed" by the united states... i mean globalization and being a Presence in countries around the world is great, but isn't that way long term thinking.... we need this country to be helped out first....

it would seem that corporate companies and entities vs the governement there are a few arguments,.... the idea though we have to give multi-billion dollar companies MORE tax breaks, heck, some don't even pay ANY taxes,... and give them LESS regulation all in the hopes that by doing all this they'll create more jobs, build factories and hire people in THIS COUNTRY? um, that hasn't, won't happen! not as long as GREED is involved.... yeah, all that nasty regulation makes those companies not able to hire people and business is so bad! lol! we definitely need less rules, then we'll hire people an what not! newsflash: this doesn't and won't happen! those at the top DON"T GIVE A SHIT about the country and the people and the workers until THEIR OWN JOBS ARE OUTSOURCED SOMEHOW AND SOMEDAY! heck, why should they hire people? the companies are making record profits, one worker can now do ( or be made to do) twice the work, and the decision makers are making obscene salaries and bonuses... everything is fine in their world....now, if government did give big business everything they could want you would think and it would be seen as a given that business/companies would then do everything they could to build plants/business in this country, not overseas, hire people,ecterera....

i mean presumably you would think THAT WOULD happen, and it probably would have happened maybe 50 years ago in a different world where a conscience, a soul and the good of ALL people was the mindset of this country... not anymore...

it would seem that the government being that it's a democratic system.. really CAN'T MAKE THESE COMPANIES DO ANYTHING! I MEAN if it was communism/dictatorship, etcetera... the leader ( our president) and those in power could ORDER these companies to do what they say.... but it's almost seemingly comical... in that in reality business runs this country, not the other way around...

so where does that leaves us... a government hoping, praying and almost begging for "please multi-billion dollar industry/company" if we do we you want and give you everything will you be nice enough to create jobs and hire people and build factories here in the united states! please, please! oh and your CE0"s will let you keep your 300 million a year salaries too since you do 300 million times the work that the actual "WORKER" does for this company...

now, i guess the only thing the government can do is give companies tax breaks and the "incentive" ( a word always bounced around) to build factories and keep work here in this country.... however, funny thing is...

why are these "incentives and tax breaks" not been put into effect for YEARS NOW! if that is the solution that is!

oh wait because most of the senators/congressmen and women, etcetera are already paid for by these businesses...

think about it shouldn't lobbyists be against the law? i mean, it would seem to be black and white... okay, we work for so and so and if we lobby you and contribute to your campaign and thus keeping YOU in office as long as you go with what we say to protect our companies interest..... i mean isn't this all high school freshman CIVICS 101? didn't we learn this back then.... how is this seen as normal, even more importantly LEGAL...

lastly, just heard on the news today that boeing is hiring and needs tons of workers around the country... great news! the bad news? no one is experienced and trained to do the jobs they need? is boeing going to hire them and train them? what do you think?

that's another problem, when the factories and plants do stay in this country and these companies ARE HIRING no one has the job skills that are needed? why? because everyone in power was either too damn stupid or short sighted or whatever to think..."hmm, 10 years from now  heck maybe only 5 years from now we might need to do things differently let's see if we can start training our people now so when this change takes place they'll have the skills and thus the company will be in great shape" ....

what did they do? they laid off workers, made some work twice as hard, see if they can increase profits, (which for the most part they did and do) and now yes now, when THINGS ARE DIFFERENT and DONE DIFFERENT it's like " oh shit, we need these workers back, to compete with how things are done in india or china"... let's do some hiring" OH shit,... they don't know how to do the things we need for them to do??? damn, if we train them that will cost even more money and cut into our profits! what to do!

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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2011, 05:51:39 PM »
oh and another thing...    the reason why companies outsource, the reason why they leave america.. its only because of their greed.. its not because it isnt profitable... its that its more profitable to go elsewhere... all the companies that outsource became successful in america and they can remain that way. they simply dont want to have to pay fair wages and act responsibly so they go elsewhere to behave as they wish.  dont blame the american worker for wanting a good life, blame the american corporations for their greed.

Horseshit.  I recently moved from a fortune 20 company to a smaller, albeit still public, one.  A lot of work takes a specialized skill set and we can't get enough people in the door to do the work, even in this economy.  We employ 5000 in India so we don't leave money on the table.  But, even if we could get 100% US labor, the cost would eliminate any chance of profit, and the company would be insolvent.

Not everything can be lumped into one, nice little convenient argument.
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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2011, 06:29:46 PM »
no, i live in the real world, where i have to make my own money and feed my family.  at your age, i was already out of college with a 4 year degree and employing people.

you're the one living in a fantasy world where you think muscles matter, where you're unemployed and going to school twice a week, all the while spewing cut and paste bullshit you read on liberal blogs.  i mean, could you really put any LESS of an effort into being a human being?  you give advice on any and all subjects, yet your only "real world" experience is fucking some fat bitch while her creep husband watches and caresses your butt.

notice nothing you say here is at all related to whether or not outsourcing should be allowed. or if unions are good.

bunch of emotional rhetoric

And odds are those people have no skills to offer to any real paying jobs.   
what kind of skills should a person be required to have in order to get a job where full time work is pays enough to take care of a family of four? your right the majority of people who work minimum wage jobs dont have a degree of any kind, no certificates, usually just a high school diploma. shouldnt that be enough? if your a grown ass person, regardless of education, you ought to have the ability to work and provide for your family.   


Horseshit.  I recently moved from a fortune 20 company to a smaller, albeit still public, one.  A lot of work takes a specialized skill set and we can't get enough people in the door to do the work, even in this economy.  We employ 5000 in India so we don't leave money on the table.  But, even if we could get 100% US labor, the cost would eliminate any chance of profit, and the company would be insolvent.

Not everything can be lumped into one, nice little convenient argument.
and would that have anything to do with the fact that your competitors also get to outsource ?  ;D   ;D   ;D

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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2011, 06:49:26 PM »
unions make their profit margin smaller than it would be otherwise, true. but they perform a vital function in an economy. without unions the wages and working conditions would be left entirely up to employers creating a system of inequality and oppression.  

What wage guarnatees and working condition quality levels do unions provide that the  past 50 years of labor legislation covering everything from workers compensation, health standards in work environments,  to unemployment benefits provide exactly?

Please be specific in the exact mechanisms unions are beneficial that are not covered by legislation already in place protecting workers rights, equality and work environment health quality conditions.

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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2011, 07:10:20 PM »
Collapse the middle class. Expand the lower class. And socialism will be excepted with open arms by the majority.

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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2011, 07:28:48 PM »
What wage guarnatees and working condition quality levels do unions provide that the  past 50 years of labor legislation covering everything from workers compensation, health standards in work environments,  to unemployment benefits provide exactly?

Please be specific in the exact mechanisms unions are beneficial that are not covered by legislation already in place protecting workers rights, equality and work environment health quality conditions.

Most of those regulations are probably in place because the unions fought for them in the first place. If you got rid of the unions I'm sure those entitlements would slowly be eroded.

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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2011, 07:47:56 PM »
no, i live in the real world, where i have to make my own money and feed my family.  at your age, i was already out of college with a 4 year degree and employing people.

you're the one living in a fantasy world where you think muscles matter, where you're unemployed and going to school twice a week, all the while spewing cut and paste bullshit you read on liberal blogs.  i mean, could you really put any LESS of an effort into being a human being?  you give advice on any and all subjects, yet your only "real world" experience is fucking some fat bitch while her creep husband watches and caresses your butt.
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Like someone else already said, unions have outlived their purpose, too many laws and agencies around the country to protect workers rights, unions sole purpose now is to drive up the workers wages and increase their dues to make themselves money.

As far as outsourcing, it's only so highly profitable because we don't tax the fuck out of the companies that import.
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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2011, 08:04:04 PM »
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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2011, 08:05:00 PM »


 and would that have anything to do with the fact that your competitors also get to outsource ?  ;D   ;D   ;D

No, it means our clients can't afford the rates of a 100% US labor force in this economy.
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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2011, 08:06:15 PM »
time to regulate outsourcing, american companies should not be taking american jobs overseas.

They aren't outsourcing, they are building a plant in India to better serve the Indian market.

Get it?

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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2011, 08:12:06 PM »
They aren't outsourcing, they are building a plant in India to better serve the Indian market.

Get it?
Exactly. I wonder how they it will play out with Tata---who now owns Jag and Range Rover, whom Ford used to own, who are now on a roll with the designs that were implemented under Ford...
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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2011, 08:15:13 PM »
your living in a dream world, go talk to the millions of americans making minimum wage.

As of 2009 that number was 3.6 million. Most being in Leisure and Hospitality so they make up the other $$$ through tips etc. 6 in 10 worked as food servers and in restaurants.

The majority of them are young and without a college education, and that goes for all major ethnic/racial groups in the U.S.  "Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly-paid workers, they made up about half of those paid the Federal minimum wage or less."

Ages 16 and Over.....

-3% of college graduates earn the minimum wage
10% w/o a H.S. degree earn M.W.
4.% w/ a H.S. degree and nothing higher earn M.W.

Don't come on here and try to pull this bullshit like 1/2 of the nation is earning M.W., they aren't. Minimum wage earners make up a tiny, tiny fraction of the U.S. work force and hourly work force.

So in other words.......

Shut the fuck up and go away.

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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2011, 08:15:51 PM »
They aren't outsourcing, they are building a plant in India to better serve the Indian market.

Get it?

no, he doesn't.  he never gets anything.
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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2011, 08:18:21 PM »
Exactly. I wonder how they it will play out with Tata---who now owns Jag and Range Rover, whom Ford used to own, who are now on a roll with the designs that were implemented under Ford...
Dumbass Ford, always fucking up...

Actually I disagree, Volvo,Jag,Land Rover were part of the PAG under Ford, ate up resources, provided a distraction away from the core business and never really made any money. Ford was smart to get rid of them...maybe except for Jaguar. Either way by cutting their losses (again, we'll see about Jag) they are now able to focus on the core business, the business that is now making them a shit load of money and increasing sales and giving them much, much higher avg. transaction prices.

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Re: Ford to build 1B plant to create 5000 jobs
« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2011, 08:18:49 PM »
no, he doesn't.  he never gets anything.
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