Why is insulin so effective in adding muscle mass?

[closeline]

Ok, it gets the nutrients in there faster. How much faster and so what? The nutrients gets in there one way or another. What difference does it make how fast? It can't be more than minutes, maybe 30-45 at the the most? It's just like when they tell say you should have a fast acting protein like whey isolate or hydrowhey and amino acids with simple sugars right after a workout during the (anabolic window) because the nutrients are absorbed and processed faster. OK, but does it really make a real world difference taking a whey isolate shake rather than eating some chicken, corn bread and bake beans like Coleman did?

And why would injecting insulin cause nutrients to go directly into the muscle and by pass the liver but your own insulin won't?

well, i m against insulin use

i only repeat what doc told me

and faster means not just faster because faster means that  the ratio of nutrients into muscle to nutrients into liver storage goes up
more into muscle less into liver

and this should be anabolic
(i belive short term and catabolic long term), what i conclude means insulin usage will shorten one s bb career)

[closeline]

Ok, it gets the nutrients in there faster. How much faster and so what? The nutrients gets in there one way or another. What difference does it make how fast? It can't be more than minutes, maybe 30-45 at the the most? It's just like when they tell say you should have a fast acting protein like whey isolate or hydrowhey and amino acids with simple sugars right after a workout during the (anabolic window) because the nutrients are absorbed and processed faster. OK, but does it really make a real world difference taking a whey isolate shake rather than eating some chicken, corn bread and bake beans like Coleman did?

And why would injecting insulin cause nutrients to go directly into the muscle and by pass the liver but your own insulin won't?

has to do with the way exogen insulin enters the body (subcutane) endogen insulin is produced in the pancreas and spreaded from there in specific way (liver cells first) while the injected is available all around the blood stream more equaly (muscle/fat tissue)

[StanZoLOL]

I thought Milos was persona non grata on this board. Plus, I'm not sure if he'd be as honest as gh15. And don't worry about me with insulin. I experimented (unsuccessfully) a while back. When I got my slin in the mail it was warm since I live in a hot climate. I wasn't sure if it still was good so I pinned myself with 5ius and see what would happen. After breaking out in a cold sweat (my whole body was dripping) I managed to down 16 ounces of apple juice that I dumped a half a cup of sugar in before I would pass out. I started to recover within minutes. So I figure everything was good. So you see, I know my way around slin and a 29 gauge needle. I got it all under control.
All under controll.

[pellius]

Damn, that was back in 2005 when I was still in California. I had just started following bodybuilding again and wonder how guys got so much bigger. I read, and some bodybuilder friends told me, it was insulin. That you take it after your workout with a high carb protein shake and it just crams the nutrients into the muscles. I used Humalog and started with 5iu working my way to 10iu. I did this for a good ten weeks and notice zero difference. It wasn't worth the trouble of bringing a loaded insulin syringe packed in a cold pack to the gym then hide in the bathroom stall while I pinned myself. Of course I didn't know anything about having to also take HGH and all that stuff.

[Kwon_2]

Damn, that was back in 2005 when I was still in California. I had just started following bodybuilding again and wonder how guys got so much bigger. I read, and some bodybuilder friends told me, it was insulin. That you take it after your workout with a high carb protein shake and it just crams the nutrients into the muscles. I used Humalog and started with 5iu working my way to 10iu. I did this for a good ten weeks and notice zero difference. It wasn't worth the trouble of bringing a loaded insulin syringe packed in a cold pack to the gym then hide in the bathroom stall while I pinned myself. Of course I didn't know anything about having to also take HGH and all that stuff.

Wonder what would've happened with your physique IF you had known 2005!

[affeman]

Ok, it gets the nutrients in there faster. How much faster and so what? The nutrients gets in there one way or another. What difference does it make how fast? It can't be more than minutes, maybe 30-45 at the the most? It's just like when they tell say you should have a fast acting protein like whey isolate or hydrowhey and amino acids with simple sugars right after a workout during the (anabolic window) because the nutrients are absorbed and processed faster. OK, but does it really make a real world difference taking a whey isolate shake rather than eating some chicken, corn bread and bake beans like Coleman did?

And why would injecting insulin cause nutrients to go directly into the muscle and by pass the liver but your own insulin won't?

Insulin is basically the only way you're able to train twice a day, cause you can keep your glycogen stores full all the time. That's pretty much about it.

[closeline]

Insulin is basically the only way you're able to train twice a day, cause you can keep your glycogen stores full all the time. That's pretty much about it.

training twice a day makes waists bigger?

[affeman]

training twice a day makes waists bigger?

No, the tons of food you gotta eat for bulking up to 300 pds makes you waist bigger.

Genetics play a huge role as well of course. You think Wolf takes no Insulin?

[closeline]

No, the tons of food you gotta eat for bulking up to 300 pds makes you waist bigger.

Genetics play a huge role as well of course. You think Wolf takes no Insulin?

he does, that s why he has a distended midsection

what s your point?

[affeman]

he does, that s why he has a distended midsection

what s your point?

Oh brother, I bet you dad and tons of your co-workes in your 30s and 40s have a "distended midsection" as well. They all take Slin I guess.

Horrible midsection btw, must be the Slin.

[closeline]

Oh brother, I bet you dad and tons of your co-workes in your 30s and 40s have a "distended midsection" as well. They all take Slin I guess.

Horrible midsection btw, must be the Slin.

i can only lol about you

do you remember when you said wolf looks like a swimmerbuild next to warren after this year s AC

[affeman]

i can only lol about you

do you remember when you said wolf looks like a swimmerbuild next to warren after this year s AC

And what does this have to do with his midsection? Swimmers tend to have tight midsections.

[subseven]

Are you Guys for real?
This has been going on for 5 full pages and the best theory that anyone could come up with is "well it shuttles nutrients into the muscles"?
That is ony one of the ways insulin works to enhance hyperthropy and is probably not even the major pathway.
Insulin is pro-hyperthropic independent of its nutrient absorption qualities. When muscles sense the presence of insulin, MTOR is turned on at a greater rate. It signals "fed state" among other things and plays an active role in multiple growth related mechanisms guys...

[pellius]

Wonder what would've happened with your physique IF you had known 2005!

I'd be sporting a suit of blown up marshmellow muscle and placing top 10 in the Mr. O.

[pellius]

Are you Guys for real?
This has been going on for 5 full pages and the best theory that anyone could come up with is "well it shuttles nutrients into the muscles"?
That is ony one of the ways insulin works to enhance hyperthropy and is probably not even the major pathway.
Insulin is pro-hyperthropic independent of its nutrient absorption qualities. When muscles sense the presence of insulin, MTOR is turned on at a greater rate. It signals "fed state" among other things and plays an active role in multiple growth related mechanisms guys...

What is MTOR?

[subseven]

First and last time I am forgiving this ridiculous laziness. Next time, follow these steps:

- go to www.google.com
- type in the word or statement you fail to comprehend
- visit the sites that appear in the next page by left clicking on them with your mouse
(please let me know if this procedure is unclear).

MTOR = mammalian target of rapamycin

[pellius]

First and last time I am forgiving this ridiculous laziness. Next time, follow these steps:

- go to www.google.com
- type in the word or statement you fail to comprehend
- visit the sites that appear in the next page by left clicking on them with your mouse
(please let me know if this procedure is unclear).

MTOR = mammalian target of rapamycin

Thanks genius for your patience. If we should ever meet remind me to kick you in the nuts.

[Stavios]

hahahaha, 6 reps with 365!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

haha i miss squad papa 

Btw Van owning some tiny tits in this thread

[apply85]

Probably bbers are eatign so much more because of hunger caused by aas as well as hgh, that endogenous production of insulin results in an inefficient absorption of nutrients, it could also be that the slight changes between synthetic insulin and natural insulin cause synthetic insulin to be more anabolic, like methylating a steroid often does.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

To answer Pellius question. It cause muscle to blow up from within.

[pellius]

To answer Pellius question. It cause muscle to blow up from within.

A little bit more detailed then I wanted but I'll try to work through it.

Thanks!