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Re: Cycling for Pennies
« Reply #50 on: April 14, 2008, 02:17:12 AM »
It's my understanding that there's more involved than the AR's ability to bond, since ARs are saturated at low doses yet anabolic benefits continue to increase with higher doses.

Can you define exactly what you mean by "upregulation" since I may not be understanding you as you intend?  Also, how do you propose to accomplish this?

Supposedly there are a bundle of new drug therapies based on the up-regulation of cell receptors (most of this research was aimed at improving insulin utilization, but now they've got the newly discovered GDF [growth and differentiation factor] intracellular hormones to play with so the research has stumbled into the area of muscle growth: myostatin and other GDF proteins).

Seemingly the effect of a hormone can be potentiated/"upregulated" by:
-increasing receptor numbers (obvious)
-increasing receptor sensitivity
-increasing receptor affinity (length of binding)
-short-circuiting the receptor down-regulation feedback mechanisms
-increasing the capacity of the INTRAcellular mechanisms activated by the hormone

I was just interested if any of the steroid users are trying anything along these lines?

The more I read about steroid use the more I'm amazed by the haphazard approach taken by so many. It's just a take what the pros take and hope your health holds out long enough for you to catch up size wise approach.

Why does no one spend any time or effort considering alternative approaches... heavy lactoferrin supplementation, heavy fatty acid supplementation (omega 3, 6 & 9, EPA, DHA, GLA etc), l-leucine drips are all well proven methods for increasing muscle mass and both CLA (the bio-active isomers) and HMB have proven clinical benefits yet no one seems to be willing to try megadosing these over the counter supplements.

I just wonder how much of this super-dose AAS approach is hampered by a lack of substrates in the muscle cell?


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PS-thanks for you answer Tapeworm.

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Re: Cycling for Pennies
« Reply #51 on: April 14, 2008, 02:42:24 AM »
Has anyone done any research on the efficacy of using say 2,000 mg of a fast acting testosterone ONCE every six weeks or so....? Kind of a blue-moon megadose via overnight IV schedule...


Steroids are not my area of expertise (lifetime nattie) but the varying genetic response among users would seem to indicate that perhaps receptor number is the determining factor in success.


It would be pointless to use a gram a week (with all the concurrent side effects) when stimulating receptor up-regulation might allow these guys to coast along on their natural test levels while keeping the mass.

Some natties who have used in the past report being forever altered by steroid use (ie: they react differently to 5-alpha-reductase inhibitors such as proscar/propecia and test-boosters/estrogen blockers).

Has there ever been a psycho steroid user who simply took 5,000 mg of test (Winny/Primo maybe) just once every six months in conjunction with an aromataze inhibitor? Maybe some needle-phobe?

Just a question...


The Luke

Have you seen the data showing AR upregulation from anabolic steroid use? These are admittedly short term studies but the ARs seem to upregulate when you use steroids.

The cycles you propose would not work very well IMO. You'd only get transient water retention with short cycles. Muscle growth takes time. Some have experimented with 2 week cycles but results haven't been impressive.

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Re: Cycling for Pennies
« Reply #52 on: April 14, 2008, 08:27:32 AM »
Could a one-off megadose of a short acting anabolic (or test) add extra receptors?

That mightn't give good results in terms of muscle mass, but it may well allow normal non-assisted training to produce results above and beyond the supposed natural limit.

The problem here is that most steroid users haven't built a good natural base. You can't really get an idea of improved natural (well maybe no longer natural but "resting") potential from someone such as a Flex Wheeler or Kevin Levrone who have never been able to build any muscle naturally.


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Re: Cycling for Pennies
« Reply #53 on: April 14, 2008, 12:58:25 PM »
Could a one-off megadose of a short acting anabolic (or test) add extra receptors?
The problem would be that the upregulation period is so brief. It would be very temporary.

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Re: Cycling for Pennies
« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2010, 10:26:35 PM »
I thought this thread was going to be about bicycling for charity....
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Re: Cycling for Pennies
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