PDI and IFBB athletes switching contests?

[DragonsBreath]

I agree 100%, and cannot see, for the life of my, why men like Bob Chick bash the PDI nonstop.  The PDI helps athletes on both sides.  If you stay with the IFBB, your placings will improve cause some guys will not be competing.  If you move to the PDI, you have a huge opportunity to make money riding that initial push from MD to endorsements and show winnings without the guaranteed Coleman-Cutler-Gustavo roadblack at every show.

Only a brainwashed fool would blindly hate on the PDI.  The bottom line is, it will ONLY hurt the weiders.  Everyone else will likely advance from it- athletes, fans, and sponsors/companies.  What is there to lose?

Well said. The PDI will only make things better. at least for the athletes. A chance to make money is not bad either.

[LuciusFox]

That's what I'm saying. Isn't that how it got with the WBF?

 Even though the WBF failed, it forced changes in the IFBB. I wonder what changes the PDI could bring.

[DragonsBreath]

I hope you're right . . . I'd like to think that Sideshow Jack was just a bone thrown to the wolves to start an attention-getting feeding frenzy. 

In the NY times, it said that AMI is LOSING money big time and the investors will have to shell out another $40-50 mill just to keep it aflout and balance out the loss. I'm sure the investors don't want to do that.

AMI has already cut several athletes as a result of non-gross.

This will impact every thing come October. By then, PDI should have made their mark.

[Al-Gebra]

In the NY times, it said that AMI is LOSING money big time and the investors will have to shell out another $40-50 mill just to keep it aflout and balance out the loss. I'm sure the investors don't want to do that.

AMI has already cut several athletes as a result of non-gross.

This will impact every thing come October. By then, PDI should have made their mark.

what do you mean by "cut several athletes"? . . . does this mean that Weider is reducing the no. of athletes they give publication contracts to?

The reports I've seen on AMI didn't mention bb mags. do you have any info on how M&F and Flex are doing? do they own men's fitness too? i guess i could look it up, but i'm too lazy.

[midwaymonster]

things could change in the future, but it's an inauspicious beginning to extend "Pro" status to competitors who could not make the cut in the NPC.  NOC competitors should have been vetted by coming up through an "amateur division," or even the proposed "Pro qualifiers." Maybe DeMilia was operating under some mistaken notion of his current "signees" marketability.

Unfortunately, credibility once lost is almost impossible to regain.

You are wrong. The guys that come from the npc have to have won thier class in the Nationals, USA's or north americans. So they are guys who are proven to be at the top of the NPC. Unless you have won your class in one of those shows you will have to go through the pro qualifiers.

[Al-Gebra]

You are wrong. The guys that come from the npc have to have won thier class in the Nationals, USA's or north americans. So they are guys who are proven to be at the top of the NPC. Unless you have won your class in one of those shows you will have to go through the pro qualifiers.

i'm not following you . . .

[DragonsBreath]

what do you mean by "cut several athletes"? . . . does this mean that Weider is reducing the no. of athletes they give publication contracts to?

The reports I've seen on AMI didn't mention bb mags. do you have any info on how M&F and Flex are doing? do they own men's fitness too? i guess i could look it up, but i'm too lazy.

i heard they let some athletes go or cut their pay. The mag sales are way down. IMO they SUCK! I read that they dropped a few mags too. i don't know which ones, but they did.

Peckerhead is in debt!

[midwaymonster]

i'm not following you . . .

Any one from the NPC will not be given a Pro card in the PDI unless they have won their class at the nationals, usa's or north americans. If you have placed lower than first in your class at any of those shows you will have to go through the PDI's pro qualifiers.

[Al-Gebra]

Any one from the NPC will not be given a Pro card in the PDI unless they have won their class at the nationals, usa's or north americans. If you have placed lower than first in your class at any of those shows you will have to go through the PDI's pro qualifiers.

so the standards are a little less rigorous than the IFBB's, right?

I think the larger point that i'm trying to make is that you want to make this org work, you need some good athletes.  doesn't matter what they've won. 

Jocelyn Pelletier is an IFBB pro, after all . . . and him crossing over is not going to do the PDI any good. they need RJ, Lee P, or Vince Taylor caliber people. 

[240 is Back]

The PDI can tell Pelletier 'no thanks'.

And let's not forget that as a private business, PDI is free to pay athletes to compete as well.   The fans may never know how much the PDI athletes are earning.  SO it might REALLY be worth it for some guys who are without a weider contract, not placing well cause the fix is always in, to jump.

[Cool Black Clyde]

i heard they let some athletes go or cut their pay. The mag sales are way down.

They always let guys go when they retire, and they sign new ones.  They still have the biggest athletes roll in the biz: Ronnie, Jay, Gunter, Darrem, Phil, Markus, Dennis, and about 20 more.  M&F and FLEX still have far and away the biggest sales numbers in the biz.  Without them raking in the cash, Pecker would really be in trouble.

[midwaymonster]

so the standards are a little less rigorous than the IFBB's, right?

I think the larger point that i'm trying to make is that you want to make this org work, you need some good athletes.  doesn't matter what they've won. 

Jocelyn Pelletier is an IFBB pro, after all . . . and him crossing over is not going to do the PDI any good. they need RJ, Lee P, or Vince Taylor caliber people. 

I agree! But most guys who have won thier class at the national level are quality bodybuilders, maybe not at the level of ronnie or jay but few in the sport are.

[rocket]

I have a feeling that more than likely the investors will be the ones to lose in this situation.  The thing that happens with a split competition is generally due to financial incentives athletes will have more power and the shows will be better.. But the strain on attempting to starve out the other federation will show sooner or later, where a loss will be declared in the end (neither side gaining a huge advantage over the other enough) and the competitions will once again merge.

Anyway, its an interesting situation and if Bob Chic is bashing the PDI who really cares.. the truth is someone is going to lose out on this deal so I don't find it hugely suprising that people are against it. 

Bodybuilding competition will "suffer" somewhat in that you will not have comparisons with some top pros as they will be seperated by federations but generally the guys competing will get more money and most of us would rather that then specific people onstage at a certain time.

[hifrommike]

DeMilia is attacking the IFBB in its soft underbelly.  He's tapping into weaknesses in the current professionalization of men from the NPC.  There's been a lid on new pro men for years, while they've been professionalizing figure competitors like crazy (up to 12 at individual shows).  A number of top NPC competitors have given up & left off competing altogether, & sometimes stopped training.  Smaller guys who went pro sometimes didn't even bother to compete, or didn't do it more than a few times.  With no weight classes, they're hopelessly outsized.  DeMilia needs to hang on long enough to make a go of the PDI.  If he does, then we may see a passing of the guard like we did when the AAU gave up the ghost.  The Weiders will not be around much longer, & the people they've affiliated with have no interest in bodybuilding except as a way of generating advertising revenue.  I say give DeMilia a chance & see what he can do.  If nothing else, it will stir the pot quite a bit. 

[onlyme]

Another thing that is interesting is the IFBB is a federation and as such can be drug tested at anytime by the government is so ordered.  The PDI is an corporation which is not obligated by the same laws when it comes to drug testing.   Now I'm not really sure what I said or if I said it right but this is how I kind of remeber it being explained to me by Wayne.  I know there was more but I can't really remember half the stuff I'm told.

[Wombat]

So very true, but what really kills me is that these so called "experts" attack me personally and otherwise, and when I dish it back to the in defense, they say "you should conduct yourself better"

can you say double standard? Meanwhile I have never attacked anyone, other than in rebuttal..

I don't know why I bother

dude its not a double standard...you have everything to lose...fan base, endorsement deals ect...What on earth does a no name on the screen have to lose...

For the life of me, i just don't understand the double standard

Lou Ferrigno has a huge fan base and always will however many people on many different boards now see him as a major jackass all because of the talk on the boards...He is known not as a great bodybuilder by alot of people now but a cheap jackass who ripped little kids off...In his case, it probably doesn't matter much for like i said he has a huge fan base but that base isn't growing and i would guess its because of the boards..

[Ex Coelis]

Hey Ron tell everyone about your phone call from the IFBB about PDI on your site.MMMM
Well i am competing in the NOC and i have qualified for the Olympia.So i will do the NOC and if they send the Olympia contract i will sign it its only 2 weeks after the NOC.Lets see if they can act like adults and no children and let people compete where and when they want.

Glad you came back on the board, Lee. You've got some serious balls to sign for the PDI after what happened to the guys who went to the WBF. You're the man! Can't wait for next months dvd . . .

[CQ]

Hey Ron tell everyone about your phone call from the IFBB about PDI on your site.MMMM

Bump for Ron to tell us all

[stuntmovie]

Hearing RUMORS that it's not just Ron that's been getting "phone calls" and that more on this will come to light shortly.

[onlyme]

Not from the IFBB but from Manion himself.  From what I heard Manion called and threatened to not issue a press pass to Ron if he kept putting PDI stuff on the board.  Then Robin Chang called and said Manion doesn't handle press passes, you are okay do what you do you'll have your press passes.  Now, this was told to me be and inside IFBB official.  Whether true or not gets you thinking.  I am just a messenger

[stuntmovie]

The Plot Thickens!

[Rimbaud]

Hey Ron tell everyone about your phone call from the IFBB about PDI on your site.

Let's hear it!

[stuntmovie]

It's probably in Ron's best interest NOT to tell us. If it actually happened, that is.

[LuciusFox]

 Give us the skinny, Ron!

[gh15]

the MAIN factor here is who will stand at the top of the peramid. in other words....as always money talks and rest of the shit is not important because money pulls every one in not muscles! MONEY! money will bring muscles in etc etc. if you take someone rich with head on his shoulders the ifbb (joe and ben) will immidiatly go into a respect mode and accept anything and everything this new federation does period. ofcourse it will have to go 2 ways and there will be 2 major federations in the industry which will with time increase interest in the the sport. it will all happen in time and if not this new pro inc it will be someone else. i assume that this new federation will bring in more pros at the beggining because it's a must for the buildup...i also assume they will bring back more of the smaller more astetic physiqes and that will give a balance to the sport put the ifbb in a temporary shock since more people will be interested in the sport but not to worry! the ifbb will very fast get out of this shock and start adapt to the new reality.

what needed is a person with money and lots of it otherwise nothing will happen and or survive. and im not talking about vince wwf kinda person that thinking in terms of wrestling oriented thoughts. you need someone that think and only think in terms of money. a person like trump or a that prince alwaleed causin of the saudi king or even soem unknown printing/oil corp presidents and owners.

that will bring down the ifbb on to planet earth and will make everything equal. only then the magic will happen. ofcourse we will get payed more. but as i said you got to start somewhere and the new pro corp has to start somewhere and thus the 10 pro cards "given" it must pull bodybuilders into it.....then again nothing will matter if at the top there is not a person with few billion dollars.