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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2024, 06:31:23 PM »
No one tops Steve’s boy Kevin English

Most definitely. Now it’s Shaun Clarida

Ironic both are wineberger guys

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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2024, 07:01:07 PM »
Most definitely. Now it’s Shaun Clarida

Ironic both are wineberger guys
It’s been always like  this.I’ve seen few NYPro shows and some unknown or foreigner guys that looked absolutely great ,but got  totally overlooked . Meanwhile legless Morel ,Marco Rivera and Delarosa got to fight for top spots.
But then again Victor is from NY/NJ area and was clear winner in 2007 ,but Steve-o gave it to chunky Cutler.
Also I felt same way about Cisternino ,got a few great placings ,but I’ve seen better guys that placed behind him.

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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2024, 09:43:52 PM »
how can he be overrated?  i don't think anybody argues he was better than he was

I think he should've gotten 2nd at the 99 olympia, and probably should've won an arnold

he didn't live up to expectations, he was supposed to be at least the number 2 guy in the world in 2001 and then he showed up way off and got 5th

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If Chris didn't party so hard and was as consistent as Dorian he would have won more shows and done better, he had a great career, no doubt was hard done by in more than a few shows, but Chris partied as hard as he trained, maybe even harder. Amazing genetics and great overall shape and symmetry.

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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2024, 01:38:09 AM »
If Chris didn't party so hard and was as consistent as Dorian he would have won more shows and done better, he had a great career, no doubt was hard done by in more than a few shows, but Chris partied as hard as he trained, maybe even harder. Amazing genetics and great overall shape and symmetry.
as good as Shawn rays and flex’s ?

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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2024, 04:12:49 PM »
as good as Shawn rays and flex’s ?

IMO Flex shape and symmetry in 92,93 iron man ASC no, I think he was on par with Shawn, but Shawn had better conditioning to go with his shape and symmetry. Chris had great separation but never got quite as striated as Shawn, in shape Shawn was very good at his best.

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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #55 on: November 03, 2024, 08:40:14 PM »
IMO Flex shape and symmetry in 92,93 iron man ASC no, I think he was on par with Shawn, but Shawn had better conditioning to go with his shape and symmetry. Chris had great separation but never got quite as striated as Shawn, in shape Shawn was very good at his best.
who do you feel was better over all?

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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #56 on: November 04, 2024, 12:55:08 AM »
At their best Flex92/93 then Shaun at his best, then Cormier, the only physique I rate above Flex Ironman early 93 is Yates 93, also a fan of Levrone physique in 92.
But Chris at his best would not be to far behind.

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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #57 on: November 04, 2024, 01:42:49 AM »
Yates 93 is the GOAT.
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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #58 on: November 04, 2024, 12:04:13 PM »
Yates 93 is the GOAT.
I felt like his arms had no peaks and he needed more width in  his back

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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2024, 12:22:11 PM »
Underrated yet overdrugged

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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #60 on: November 04, 2024, 12:24:55 PM »
I think I know the answer but was Chris Dickerson overrated?

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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #61 on: November 04, 2024, 01:39:35 PM »

I always thought Charles Clairmonte was also a victim of his symmetry.  Fantastic physique but rarely rewarded with high placings at the Mr. Olympia.

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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #62 on: November 04, 2024, 02:39:33 PM »
his problem physique wise was he was just too symetrical and balanced, nothing stood out.

Most bodybuilders are known for a particular body part, which in reality is a fault

If someone walks out onstage and you think "wow look at his arms/legs" its a fault

Bob Paris suffered with the same curse of symmetry.
Symmetry works if everything stands out. Huge calves all the way to huge traps. In Chris' case the body parts were all too small.

He looked small in some of his contests against Cutler.

See below. Cutler is out-angling him true, but I saw one contest in person and even from way back Cutler looked a lot bigger than Chris.



In this one the size difference is less noticeable. Look at Jay's forearms compared to Chris' though. And Jay was not really known for huge forearms. Dorian and Phil Heath had amazing forearms.


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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #63 on: November 04, 2024, 02:44:38 PM »
I felt like his arms had no peaks and he needed more width in  his back
This is in 1996 after the biceps injuries. Dorian looked like he was carved out of rock. His legs were crazy! Who else had this granite look combined with mass?


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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #64 on: November 04, 2024, 02:53:52 PM »
he never had that 'wow' factor. great physique. super balanced. people always talked about his "X-Frame".

"2 but's "
... but he didn't have something that stood out, like Ronnie's chest, arms, back, quads... Flex's back, arms.. Levrones delts/traps/tri's...Cutlers quads and delts/width.. Dillett's delts, arms, legs.. etc etc..
... but if he was a little out of shape/watery, his was in big trouble because (see above).

people always talk about Dillett or Vic Richards or Ronnie having the best genetics for being... but considering Cormier's Serious Training/eating/sleeping Vs. Enjoy yourself/party/get high pie chart seemed to always be balanced in the wrong direction, he could possibly hav3e som3 of th3 best genetics in th3 sport.

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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #65 on: November 07, 2024, 10:04:38 AM »


Nice to see you're alive after the hurricane drama.

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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #66 on: November 08, 2024, 12:27:03 AM »
he never had that 'wow' factor. great physique. super balanced. people always talked about his "X-Frame".

"2 but's "
... but he didn't have something that stood out, like Ronnie's chest, arms, back, quads... Flex's back, arms.. Levrones delts/traps/tri's...Cutlers quads and delts/width.. Dillett's delts, arms, legs.. etc etc..
... but if he was a little out of shape/watery, his was in big trouble because (see above).

people always talk about Dillett or Vic Richards or Ronnie having the best genetics for being... but considering Cormier's Serious Training/eating/sleeping Vs. Enjoy yourself/party/get high pie chart seemed to always be balanced in the wrong direction, he could possibly hav3e som3 of th3 best genetics in th3 sport.
Balance is supposed to be a plus but it obviously isn't.

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Re: Was Chris Cormier over rated?
« Reply #67 on: November 08, 2024, 02:04:45 AM »
Nice to see you're alive after the hurricane drama.
It would take a direct hit from a tornado, to blow my fat ass away..