Redistribution of Wealth

[Bindare_Dundat]

I can't watch that at work.

Here's the law that gives the congress the power to levy income taxes:  16th amendment.

“Section 1 of the Code imposes an income tax on the income of every individual who is a citizen or resident of the United States ....”
Treas. Reg. § 1.1-1(a)(1).

i'm at work now too so don't have the time. Feel free to view the videos later and comment.

[Soul Crusher]

i'm at work now too so don't have the time. Feel free to view the videos later and comment.

Why are you even bothering with some of these people?   

[Decker]

Why are you even bothering with some of these people?   

Do you understand how crazy you appear from the sort of posts you make?

This is a forum for discussion.

We are discussing.

You are asking him not to discuss.

We've already agreed to discuss.

If you want to jump in and shut me down with better arguments, be my guest.

Otherwise you just appear afraid b/c you're cutting off debate at the knees.

[Soul Crusher]

Do you understand how crazy you appear from the sort of posts you make?

This is a forum for discussion.

We are discussing.

You are asking him not to discuss.

We've already agreed to discuss.

If you want to jump in and shut me down with better arguments, be my guest.

Otherwise you just appear afraid b/c you're cutting off debate at the knees.

Because no matter what he says or shows to you, your mind is made up.

[Decker]

Because no matter what he says or shows to you, your mind is made up.

Show me I'm wrong.  I'll admit it.

[Bindare_Dundat]

Why are you even bothering with some of these people?   

Decker is actually one of the more intelligent people on the boards in regards to this stuff so I don't mind having a "debate" with him. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm just producing information that I interpret a certain way. I'm not a lawyer,  I believe I perceive certain words to have a different meaning than maybe lawyers or people studying law do, so I value his views, even though we may disagree. I think a perfect example of this wording/words situation and how it can sway decisions one way or another becomes clear when you remember Bill Clintons famous, "it depends what the meaning of the word is, is." Lawyers/politicians are great at bending syntax to suit their needs in that kind of way.

But on a deeper level,  I just don't understand how anyone could feel combfortable complying with an institution that claims to  value the basics of life, liberty and the persuit of happiness and then turns around and offers no choice to the citizens  as to how they may manage their own property. The word liberty is peppered in all kinds of political speeches but what does it mean? If people took the words seriously I can't see how the Income Tax in particular could exist anymore.

I didn't get a chance to look over all of the answers to my post ,(I will go through it) but one thing that's pretty clear is that when politicians or the  forces behind them want something bad enough they push and push and push until they get it even if it may be morally wrong or against the original rule of law.


 

[Decker]

Decker is actually one of the more intelligent people on the boards in regards to this stuff so I don't mind having a "debate" with him. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm just producing information that I interpret a certain way. I'm not a lawyer,  I believe I perceive certain words to have a different meaning than maybe lawyers or people studying law do, so I value his views, even though we may disagree. I think a perfect example of this wording/words situation and how it can sway decisions one way or another becomes clear when you remember Bill Clintons famous, "it depends what the meaning of the word is, is." Lawyers/politicians are great at bending syntax to suit their needs in that kind of way.

But on a deeper level,  I just don't understand how anyone could feel combfortable complying with an institution that claims to  value the basics of life, liberty and the persuit of happiness and then turns around and offers no choice to the citizens  as to how they may manage their own property. The word liberty is peppered in all kinds of political speeches but what does it mean? If people took the words seriously I can't see how the Income Tax in particular could exist anymore.

I didn't get a chance to look over all of the answers to my post ,(I will go through it) but one thing that's pretty clear is that when politicians or the  forces behind them want something bad enough they push and push and push until they get it even if it may be morally wrong or against the original rule of law.

That's awful nice of you to say.  I enjoy your posts as well.  You support what you say and contrary to how this forum works sometimes, I learn stuff in earnest here.

I don't think we can equate liberty with license to do as one pleases.  Liberty is an ideal aspired to in a framework of social demands.  There is a national interest.  There's a state interest.  Those interests cannot be met if the citizens don't pay taxes.  We can't view our country as an aggregate of totally free individuals doing as they please.  That's anarchy.

I'll take a look at those videos tomorrow when I work from home.