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Re: NFL bench press strength test
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2009, 08:15:19 AM »
Of the basic football training exercises (squat, bench and cleans), the power clean transfers over the best into useable quickness, balance and strength for players, in any position. Add and push press/jerk to the cleans and you really have an all around training football movement.

Any lineman (for example) should not forget to focus on  half squats (leg drive, most of the time, starts from a half crouch).  Half/quarter, to top lockout, presses for benches. Half/quarter cleans for pulls. Though a full ROM should be included in any training workout. Quite a few torn tricep and biceps in football. Short range violent arm involvement is used heavily in blocking and tackling. One of the reasons that short and powerful ROM's should be encouraged, with pushing and pulling.

From my experience (take it for what it may be worth..I am not all that) the Combines are ego stroking for the owners and coaching staff of any NFL team. Everyone know the ablities of any player, in game time, through personal scouting, game films and talking to the individual players coaches. All the way back to grade school, in some cases. Pretty much a good old boy's get together at night, after the run time drills are done for the day, at those Combines. Usually a great steak dinner and cigars and Scotch after wards.  All paid for by the NFl team owners association. Let's not forget the hookers and the time away from the wife for some of those guy's...Priceless!  Good Luck
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Re: NFL bench press strength test
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2009, 08:33:23 AM »
actually agree with you here, also never understood trying to guesstimate a one rep max from a 225 for reps max, they're usually EXTREMELY overblown, an examp,e would be players claiming a 500 pound 1RM off of 30 reps with 225, no fucckign way.

I agree.

I did 18 reps at 225 once, and that was when my max was 315-325.   The estimates said I should be benching 350+.   There was no way I'd ever come close to that.
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Re: NFL bench press strength test
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2009, 08:34:02 AM »
Of the basic football training exercises (squat, bench and cleans), the power clean transfers over the best into useable quickness, balance and strength for players, in any position. Add and push press/jerk to the cleans and you really have an all around training football movement.

Any lineman (for example) should not forget to focus on  half squats (leg drive, most of the time, starts from a half crouch).  Half/quarter, to top lockout, presses for benches. Half/quarter cleans for pulls. Though a full ROM should be included in any training workout. Quite a few torn tricep and biceps in football. Short range violent arm involvement is used heavily in blocking and tackling. One of the reasons that short and powerful ROM's should be encouraged, with pushing and pulling.

From my experience (take it for what it may be worth..I am not all that) the Combines are ego stroking for the owners and coaching staff of any NFL team. Everyone know the ablities of any player, in game time, through personal scouting, game films and talking to the individual players coaches. All the way back to grade school, in some cases. Pretty much a good old boy's get together at night, after the run time drills are done for the day, at those Combines. Usually a great steak dinner and cigars and Scotch after wards.  All paid for by the NFl team owners association. Let's not forget the hookers and the time away from the wife for some of those guy's...Priceless!  Good Luck

Gotta disagree om this one. Half squats ruin knees also, It sounds like your in belief of position training. I for one don't believe in position training exept when it come to the quarterback, I especially don't believe that there should be position protocols for conditioning as well.



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Re: NFL bench press strength test
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2009, 08:34:27 AM »
I agree.

I did 18 reps at 225 once, and that was when my max was 315-325.   The estimates said I should be benching 350+.   There was no way I'd ever come close to that.

I did 17 the first and only time i did it. i was 20 i think

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Re: NFL bench press strength test
« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2009, 08:46:50 AM »
combines are for that and honestly dont think it proves anything....some guys cant bench 225 more than 5 times but are freakishly strong on the field and vice versa...im a little guy 5'8 195 but im throwing up 225 12 times but alot of my team mates it just seems are stronger all those combines and camps we go through for college are pointless if you can play you can play

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Re: NFL bench press strength test
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2009, 08:50:00 AM »
combines are for that and honestly dont think it proves anything....some guys cant bench 225 more than 5 times but are freakishly strong on the field and vice versa...im a little guy 5'8 195 but im throwing up 225 12 times but alot of my team mates it just seems are stronger all those combines and camps we go through for college are pointless if you can play you can play
i agree here, never understood what the importance of a bench press test has for a football player, they should have a squat or power clean round at the combine instead.

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Re: NFL bench press strength test
« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2009, 08:56:34 AM »
combines are for that and honestly dont think it proves anything....some guys cant bench 225 more than 5 times but are freakishly strong on the field and vice versa...im a little guy 5'8 195 but im throwing up 225 12 times but alot of my team mates it just seems are stronger all those combines and camps we go through for college are pointless if you can play you can play

I agree. When I observed the players at USC last week, alot of these guys had a hard time putting up 225 x 5. On the other end of the spectrum, you have a guy doing flat DB presses with 170's for a reletively easy 5.


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Re: NFL bench press strength test
« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2009, 09:10:38 AM »
Actually quite a few coaches favor short range joint training added to an all around training protocol. They can be part of the whole when setting up a training program. Funny thing is that, if you could get a 100 coaches in a room, you might have a 100 different slants of what really is correct training for a highlighted sport. But there are usually one or two focal points agreed upon by all. In training (or training theory), one size does not fit all.

I do not believe in position training either. Hope it did not sounded that way. More of a combination to fit the whole of a single athlete, whatever the position. Only difference might be a kicker & quarterback, who have a different protocol  with special drill times.

Half squats, benches or even pulls can have the ability to strengthen and condition joints, rather than cause undo stress. If the training is thought out and planned accordingly. If a past, or  potential injury arises, than by all means caution should be the guide when joint/short range movements are concerned. As mentions before, in the other post, a union of full ROM and half reps seems to work for the betterment of most players. That is in regard to lifting. Good Luck.
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Re: NFL bench press strength test
« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2009, 03:04:54 PM »
No, had one when i first started, but prefer training alone, no talking to anyone, just lifting. Dont know anyone as dedicated (wife prefers the word psychotic) to never miss my 4 workouts per week. In 25 years, never taken a layoff ( ok, psychotic fits ), except for occasional illness.

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Re: NFL bench press strength test
« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2009, 03:59:03 PM »
No, had one when i first started, but prefer training alone, no talking to anyone, just lifting. Dont know anyone as dedicated (wife prefers the word psychotic) to never miss my 4 workouts per week. In 25 years, never taken a layoff ( ok, psychotic fits ), except for occasional illness.
thats how I trained the first three years I worked out.age 15-18.and looking back it's the fondest memories I have of lifting weights.just you the weight and some loud ass music.which back then was alot on Alice in chains and STP.Good times 4 sure.
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Re: NFL bench press strength test
« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2009, 08:16:09 PM »
Now its  Godsmack , disturbed or seether to power through.....with an occasional hairband thrown in there( what can i say, i came from the 80's/90's)....lol

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Re: NFL bench press strength test
« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2009, 11:58:23 AM »
actually agree with you here, also never understood trying to guesstimate a one rep max from a 225 for reps max, they're usually EXTREMELY overblown, an examp,e would be players claiming a 500 pound 1RM off of 30 reps with 225, no fucckign way.

I'm almost sure I'm good for 30-35 reps @ 225 and a 385 1rm is out of the question......



















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