Bodybuilding is not going to progress?

[MCWAY]

Other federations employ rules against such things as 'bringing disrepute'

Could the Pros be punished for G4P...fucking grapefruits etc...tarnishing reputation of IFBB

Maybe they shpould be stripped of their Pro card if the murder someone etc

All this detracts from teh commercialism, popularity and accessibility of bodybuilding

If someone commits murder, being stripped of a pro card is the LEAST of their concerns. Furthermore, Gay-for-pay won't be an issue either, as their cellmates will not be compensating them.

The popularity of bodybuilding (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with any of this stuff. It doesn't even have to do with steroid use. It's about the fact that the average guy see no reason for building big muscles for its own sake. Again, big muscles are supposed to lift things (or people), hit things (or people), or run extremely fast.

[Chick]

A reset to the 90s isn’t going to change a darn thing. People forget that the same complaints we hear about bodybuilding now, we heard over a decade ago.

Everything about which you’re complaining, concerning today’s competitors, guys from the 80s were saying about bodybuilders from the 90s (the very era you are praising).

Guys from the 70s were blubbering about the “drug abuse” of bodybuilders from the 80s.

And, SURPRISE, guys from the 50s and 60s were complaining about steroid abuse within Arnold’s heyday of competition in the 70s.

It’s a cyclic thing, nothing more. Steroid use isn’t the big hindrance. It’s the nature of bodybuilding itself, and the perception that bodybuilders aren’t athletic and do nothing with their muscles, besides flex and pose.

With that said, There’s plenty of new blood in bodybuilding. But when this new blood starts making an impact and winning shows (at the expense of some old favorites, namely a handful of guys, whom some think should have won this or that show, but didn’t), we hear constant complaining.

Look at Phil Heath. He wins the USA in 2005; then, he goes on to take his first two pro shows, beating a number of veterans, including men who’ve won shows in the past and placed top-10 at the Olympia.

Yet, there were cries galore as to Heath being “overhyped”, a “Weider boy”, and a plethora of excuses for his phenomenal success his rookie year. Then the screams got louder, when he placed 5th at the 2007 ASC (which is hardly chopped liver). Now it was, “Oh, he can’t compete with the big boys; he’s a fluke!”, etc.

Then in 2008, he wins the IronMan and placed second to the guy who would eventually end up being Mr. Olympia. And in the process, he bested some of the same guys that beat him the previous year. There have been theories and excuses and complaints out the behind as to why Heath has been so successful (other than the blatantly obvious fact that...HE'S JUST THAT DARN GOOD!!!).

Plus, a lot of this "new blood" are veterans who have perservered and are finally starting to taste the fruits of their labor.

Well said....

[kyomu]

If that were the case, baseball, football, and wrestling would be "niche" entities, as well.

Yet, Steroid abuse didn't stop the NFL from stuffing Raymond James Stadium for the Super Bowl.

And, in 2008, less than a year after the publicized Christ Benoit incident (in which steroids were highlighted to the hilt, regarding that murder-suicide deal), WWE packed the Florida Citrus Bowl with 74,635 fans for WrestleMania XXIV. And Wrestlemania XXV will nearly match its predecessor in attendance.

Yet People think that

Another sport = Muscle built up by drug use only plus some technical dscipline.
Bodybuilding  = Muscle built up by drug use only(All drugs)

We know that we must train hard and eat good even if you are juicing.
But normal people(and some getbigers) think that drug using only can built big muscle.
Thats the biggest reason why BBing go nowhere

[Meso_z]

Yet People think that

Another sport = Muscle built up by drug use only plus some technical dscipline.
Bodybuilding  = Muscle built up by drug use only(All drugs)

We know that we must train hard and eat good even if you are juicing.
But normal people(and some getbigers) think that drug using only can built big muscle.
Thats the biggest reason why BBing go nowhere

To sum it up.

Bodybuilding is the muscle.   

[chainsaw]

I have covered this extensively in years past.  You fools seem to turn a deaf ear.  It is only your own Waterloo in time.

You've invented the internet too!

[Method101]

Yet People think that

Another sport = Muscle built up by drug use only plus some technical dscipline.
Bodybuilding  = Muscle built up by drug use only(All drugs)

We know that we must train hard and eat good even if you are juicing.
But normal people(and some getbigers) think that drug using only can built big muscle.
Thats the biggest reason why BBing go nowhere

Ronnie put barbeque sauce over all his food while deiting for his mr.olympia wins, do you realise how much sugar/calories is in that shit, Shawn Ray said he saw Flex Wheeler eating burgers and fries right up to a Mr.Olympia contest, the reason why they can do this and still be in good condition is drugs and genetics, bodybuilders are not as disciplined as you think.

[kyomu]

Ronnie put barbeque sauce over all his food while deiting for his mr.olympia wins, do you realise how much sugar/calories is in that shit, Shawn Ray said he saw Flex Wheeler eating burgers and fries right up to a Mr.Olympia contest, the reason why they can do this and still be in good condition is drugs and genetics, bodybuilders are not as disciplined as you think.

Oh yeah? Paco eats with oil many times to maintain his mass and he does it on purpose.
And still his body is running short of energy and he has tendency of getting cold.
Let alone Ronnie, Ronnie carrys way more mass than Paco. He must eat fried potato before the show too.
They are inhumanly huge. You dont know it simply.
Of course, there are people like Flex. But when Flex try to make a deal, he also eats very serious.

[tom joad]

Shawn Ray said he saw Flex Wheeler eating burgers and fries right up to a Mr.Olympia contest

maybe Flex feels that the prize in a McDonald's happy meal is more valuable than the Mr Olympia title?

[SweetMuscles]

It ain't gonna progress if they keep doing shit like this.
guys who could get into bodybuilding will run a mile if they think people will associate them with this kind of shit

[Monster_Everything]

steroids dont grow on trees...well unless your 'schmoe' tells you to dress up as the cowardly lion and climb up on...

[SweetMuscles]

steroids dont grow on trees...well unless your 'schmoe' tells you to dress up as the cowardly lion and climb up on...

vicious cycle that pushes it more and more into the underground.

need money for steroids ---> schmoe money buys steroids ------> g4p pushes it further underground -----> as sport gets increasingly disgusting, sup contracts and prize money goes down as the sport is less and less mainstream -----> need money for steroids .....

[chainsaw]

It was the answer for wrestling...

What Sumo Wrestling?

How do you compare WWE to IFBB.

Storyline and hot chicks are what brought wrestling more mainstream.

Plus, Wrestling was not promoting itself as a legit sport, it is Sports Entertainment
So therefore steroid testing was not a requirement.

[chainsaw]

I agree with the Mr. Olympia not competing to defend his title, but everyone else needs to requalify.

With all due respect Ron, I'm not into watching these guys commit slow suicide for my entertainment.

[MCWAY]

What Sumo Wrestling?

How do you compare WWE to IFBB.

Storyline and hot chicks are what brought wrestling more mainstream.

Plus, Wrestling was not promoting itself as a legit sport, it is Sports Entertainment
So therefore steroid testing was not a requirement.

The issue wasn’t testing vs. non-testing. It’s about whether or not people aren’t gravitating towards bodybuilding, BECAUSE of steroid use within its ranks.

The steroid thing isn’t what is keeping bodybuilding from being more popular. WWE has had its troubles with anabolics for years. Yet, it keeps stuffing stadiums with fans for WrestleMania: 80,103 for WM 23 in 2007, 74,635 for WM 24 last year, and a likely 65,000+ for this year’s WM 25.

Regardless of the storylines or the women, ultimately it comes down to THE ACTION IN THE RING, period. The point you missed was these wrestlers ACTUALLY DO THINGS (performs feats of strength, power, agility, and athleticism) with those big muscles of theirs. They don't just pose and flex.

Ronnie put barbeque sauce over all his food while deiting for his mr.olympia wins, do you realise how much sugar/calories is in that shit, Shawn Ray said he saw Flex Wheeler eating burgers and fries right up to a Mr.Olympia contest, the reason why they can do this and still be in good condition is drugs and genetics, bodybuilders are not as disciplined as you think.

As long these guys can BURN those calories, they won't get stored as bodyfat. That's simple nutrition 101. Barbecue is hardly going to derail an otherwise-clean bodybuilding diet. I'm nowhere near a professional bodybuilder. Yet, I've been able to lose bodyweight using condiments (in moderation) on my food. Heck, I've even done so, using CELL-TECH as my creatine supplement to help me maintain my strength, something I didnt think I could do at first, because of the high dextrose content.

All I had to do was cut my carbs from other sources to allow for the 300-600 calories in 1-2 servings, respectively, of CELL-TECH. It worked great. The bodyfat went down; I maintained my strength; and I got to actually consume something fairly tasty in the process.

[MCWAY]

Yet People think that

Another sport = Muscle built up by drug use only plus some technical dscipline.
Bodybuilding  = Muscle built up by drug use only(All drugs)

We know that we must train hard and eat good even if you are juicing.
But normal people(and some getbigers) think that drug using only can built big muscle.
Thats the biggest reason why BBing go nowhere

I like to use the Dan Duchaine example to all the folks who yak about bodybuilding being “all drugs”. This guy was the supposed “Steroid Guru”; so why wasn’t his mantle loaded with Mr. America/Mr. Universe/National Championship trophies?


If I’m not mistaken, he’s also credited for helping to introduce whey protein and ephedra/ma-huang supplements to the bodybuilding world. And, yet, I’ve never seen his physique grace the cover of MuscleMag, Ironman, or FLEX. Go figure.

Plus, have you ever noticed that the guys who blubber about “all drugs” make up all the excuses for why they can’t improve their own physiques, particularly when it comes to nutrition?

They can’t ingest high carbs, because they aren’t using insulin; they can’t ingest high protein, because they don’t take testosterone and they’re worried about their kidneys (never mind the fact that they’re likely eating food or doing other things that could be more dangerous to their kidneys than simply eating more protein); they can’t increase their fats, because they aren’t using Clenbuterol.

They won’t use protein powders, MRPs, or weight gainers, because they think that the evil band of supplement companies are plotting to bleed them of their $$$$$$$.

They scour the earth looking for examples of people who they claim got big by just eating regular food (even though, they’ve done that themselves with little success); or they look for people who are reported to get ripped without cardio (again, even though they can’t do that themselves).

And, they wonder why they can’t put on any size.