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Re: Democrats Look to Muzzle Conservative Radio
« Reply #75 on: February 13, 2009, 03:47:37 PM »
LOL.  And then you woke up. 8)

I listen to one everyday when I drive to work

Funny and entertaining and honest: http://www.stephaniemiller.com/

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Re: Democrats Look to Muzzle Conservative Radio
« Reply #76 on: February 13, 2009, 04:03:39 PM »
I listen to one everyday when I drive to work

Funny and entertaining and honest: http://www.stephaniemiller.com/

So then why do you need the Fairness Doctrine??????

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Re: Democrats Look to Muzzle Conservative Radio
« Reply #77 on: February 13, 2009, 04:10:59 PM »
So then why do you need the Fairness Doctrine??????

I don't know if we need it or not but the airwaves belong to the public yet are controlled by a handful of media companies that lean significantly toward the right.  There's estimated to be a 9 to 1 ratio of conservative vs. progressives and there should be something closer to parity.  If you had someone like George Soros and few other people who owned all the stations and only made a token effort to have contrary points of view you would (hopefully) feel the same way.

Personally, I can't stand all the hate and stupidity from the far right wing shows and I don't like some of the crap I hear on left wing shows.  I listen to shows that I find informative and entertaining.  So far I haven't found one show on the the right side of the spectrum that I can tolerate.  Even Dennis Miller is boring now that he's a conservative talk show host.   

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Re: Democrats Look to Muzzle Conservative Radio
« Reply #78 on: February 13, 2009, 04:35:20 PM »
So let me get this straight. The liberals have a majority in Washington, the public schools, the media in both tv and print, and Hollywood. The only foothold conservatives have is on the radio and the liberals want to silence conservative talk radio to make it "fair"?

At the end of the day, radio stations are selling a product and they know that liberal talk radio is a product that no one will buy. The Fairness Doctrine would force radio station owners to sell a product. How is it "fair" for government to tell someone what product they can and cannot sell?

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Re: Democrats Look to Muzzle Conservative Radio
« Reply #79 on: February 13, 2009, 04:42:07 PM »
good assessment marcus.  its like they want to silence all opposition now they are in power.  this big government shit scares me.

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Re: Democrats Look to Muzzle Conservative Radio
« Reply #80 on: February 13, 2009, 04:54:11 PM »
good assessment marcus.  its like they want to silence all opposition now they are in power.  this big government shit scares me.

And I learned it all last night on conservative talk radio!

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Re: Democrats Look to Muzzle Conservative Radio
« Reply #81 on: February 13, 2009, 05:00:13 PM »
Look - if it were reversed and Libs outnumbered Conservatives 9 to 1 and most conservatives talkers got a weak signal that no one could hear you'd have the exact same result.

Progressive shows do just fine when they are given the same exposure as conservatives and it's the public airwaves that we're talking about here and one political party should not control the message.  Given a level playing field no one would be required to subsidize a unprofitable program.  

The Big Govt. Boogie Man breaks up monoplies for the very same reason - fairness to the citizen and the consumer.

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Re: Democrats Look to Muzzle Conservative Radio
« Reply #82 on: February 13, 2009, 05:11:49 PM »
So let me get this straight. The liberals have a majority in Washington, the public schools, the media in both tv and print, and Hollywood. The only foothold conservatives have is on the radio and the liberals want to silence conservative talk radio to make it "fair"?

At the end of the day, radio stations are selling a product and they know that liberal talk radio is a product that no one will buy. The Fairness Doctrine would force radio station owners to sell a product. How is it "fair" for government to tell someone what product they can and cannot sell?

feel free to show even a scrap of proof to support your claim that liberals have a majority in media

No one is talking about silencing or censoring anyone (at least I'm not).

All they are talking about is a balance of views which is what both sides should want.

I would not want only liberal or a overwhelming majority of liberal views and only a shred of an opposing view

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Re: Democrats Look to Muzzle Conservative Radio
« Reply #83 on: February 13, 2009, 05:42:26 PM »
feel free to show even a scrap of proof to support your claim that liberals have a majority in media

No one is talking about silencing or censoring anyone (at least I'm not).

All they are talking about is a balance of views which is what both sides should want.

I would not want only liberal or a overwhelming majority of liberal views and only a shred of an opposing view

Balance of views? If conservatives want to have an only-conservative talk show what's wrong with that? Free speech should allow that. Also, if liberals want balanced views why don't they lead by example and have a conservative host sitting along with their liberal hosts? Hey it might even boost their ratings.

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Re: Democrats Look to Muzzle Conservative Radio
« Reply #84 on: February 13, 2009, 07:01:29 PM »
Balance of views? If conservatives want to have an only-conservative talk show what's wrong with that? Free speech should allow that. Also, if liberals want balanced views why don't they lead by example and have a conservative host sitting along with their liberal hosts? Hey it might even boost their ratings.

from the article I posted:

Companies are given a license to operate public airwaves -- free! -- in order to make a profit, yes, but also, according to the terms of their FCC license, "to operate in the public interest and to afford reasonable opportunity for the discussion of conflicting views of issues of public importance."




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Re: Democrats Look to Muzzle Conservative Radio
« Reply #85 on: February 13, 2009, 09:33:48 PM »
OK- hows this sound? Liberals can have half the radio airwaves and conservatives can have half of the countries Universities, cable news stations, network news stations and oh i dont know, newspapers. The difference between those mediums being liberal controlled and radio being unable to sustain any viable liberal talk show, is that at the end of the day its a capitalist AMERICAN instiution the public decides to either embrace or ignore. You either choose to support conservative talk radio or you choose not to support it--> Survival of the fittest. Unfortunetly, the libs cant forcefeed talk radio down everyones throats, so of course talk radio is "DANGEROUS" and needs to be modified in some way.

Say, when the rednecks object to evolution being taught to their kids, can they invoke the fairness doctrine also? How about abortion counseling? The use of contrceptives? I entirely agree that the aforementioned things should be taught to kids (to a reasonable degree), and the right wing lunatics shouldnt be able to interject. However, to allow the fairness doctrine to be imposed is just as bad IMO

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Re: Democrats Look to Muzzle Conservative Radio
« Reply #86 on: February 14, 2009, 01:15:51 PM »
The Fairness Doctrine could have been argued as a necessity in earlier years due primarily to the lack of media outlets.  Back in the 60s and 70s we only had ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Nowadays, with the advent of talk radio, internet, cable news, and satellite stations, there is more than a diverse amount of material to listen to that presents points and counterpoints on all topics.

In 1988, Rush Limbaugh pioneered conservative talk radio because popular media at the time was deemed to be too liberal....and conserva-talk took off and has never looked back since.

In addition, who or what agency exactly gets to determine what is considered a valid counterpoint or is even an issue of public importance?  Are you telling me there's going to be some bureaucrat somewhere trying to determine what is liberal and what is conservative?  Are you telling me that while listening to a Church service via my AM radio that equal time has to be accorded to a Muslim, or even a Buddhist?  Are there only two views to important issues?

It's a cycle.  Limbaugh and his pals are entertainers, using talk radio as an avenue to directly counter the major news networks and whatever they were saying.  Along came Air America and Nova who in turn attempted to counter just about everything conserva-talk put out, and that ended up being far left even compared to the news networks. 

Remember:  these guys are ENTERTAINERS....not scientists, politicians, lawmakers, or policy makers.  Most of them have little to no military service, despite all being ass kissers of anything military.  Limbaugh, Hannity, Levine, Beck, Weiner(Savage), Cunningham, O'Reilly, Malloy, Miller, Schultz, and Hartmann while clever and relatively good on the stick, are not necessarily qualified to dictate policy.  Any schmoe can observe things that don't make much sense.  I've listened to them all, and my favorites are Savage and Malloy.  Both are very intelligent, entertaining, and light sensitive asses on fire.  But...Entertainment.

Will movies have a Fairness Doctrine implemented?  If Al Gore's movie is to be shown, should not the BBC documentary be shown as well that debunks much of man-made global warming?  The majority of movies and television shows have within them messages, subtle or not, that show a particular viewpoint that more often than not neglects any other viewpoint. 

The bottom line is that Fairness Doctrine, or some sort of forced diversification of programming, sets a very negative precedent that some viewpoints and opinions are going to be suppressed.....and also sets up possible First Amendment conflicts.  I think the Dems are just burned about their Amnesty plan going down in flames from an enraged populace who were informed by talk radio.

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Re: Democrats Look to Muzzle Conservative Radio
« Reply #87 on: February 14, 2009, 01:16:00 PM »
yay liberal fascism!  ::)