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Re: The Pill Kills
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2009, 12:08:48 PM »
I just said that.  I will never put kids on birth control.  That doesn't mean I'm opposed to birth control.   

would you ever teach your teenagers (I don't know how old  your kids  are) about birth control?

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Re: The Pill Kills
« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2009, 12:13:36 PM »
You said you had more stuff that you can post if it makes a difference to me.  I said yes, it does, post it.

I guess you were just bluffing.

again - why should I invest my time when it's apparent that you'd rather deny that it exists:

here's a few more from the top of a simple google search.  If I give you 20 or 30 would it make any more difference thatn 2 or 4?

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/nov/06110302.html

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09052707.html

http://www.crosswalk.com/parenting/11555796/

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2009/01/why-pro-lifers-hate-family-pla.html

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Re: The Pill Kills
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2009, 12:23:57 PM »
would you ever teach your teenagers (I don't know how old  your kids  are) about birth control?

Why are you asking?  You're a single middle-age man with no kids.  Why the interest in child rearing methods and kids?  Are you a pedophile? 

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Re: The Pill Kills
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2009, 12:34:14 PM »

I've also said condoms "don't work" to the extent that guys, particularly teenagers, will not consistently use them. 


That's one of the stupidest things you've ever said, ...and you've said many stupid things.

of course something will not work, ...if it's not used.  ::)
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Re: The Pill Kills
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2009, 12:37:53 PM »
Why are you asking?  You're a single middle-age man with no kids.  Why the interest in child rearing methods and kids?  Are you a pedophile? 

why are you avoiding a simple question?

I've already explained in other threads about my personal life (my GF of 7 years owns her home, as do I, she has 2 almost adult children, neither of us want to get married or have more kids).

Now let's  try again.

would you ever teach your teenagers (I don't know how old  your kids  are) about birth control?..... you know just to protect their health and their future just in case their willpower fails.

don't be ashamed of your beliefs.  Fill us all in.  I'm sure you will find some that agree with you.

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Re: The Pill Kills
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2009, 12:45:11 PM »
That's one of the stupidest things you've ever said, ...and you've said many stupid things.

of course something will not work, ...if it's not used.  ::)

 ::) That's why they don't work Einstein.  Kids do not and will not ever consistently use them.  Someone with a 160 IQ should be able to understand that.   

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Re: The Pill Kills
« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2009, 01:01:37 PM »
::) That's why they don't work Einstein.  Kids do not and will not ever consistently use them.  Someone with a 160 IQ should be able to understand that.   

I'm pretty sure I posted a recent study showing compliance among male teenagers was actually quite high.

I wonder what fails more frequently - willpower of a horny teenager or a condom.

Does anyone else here agree with Bum that condoms don't work?

Would any other parents on this site rather their  kid go without any safety net and just say abstain and don't worry about a back up plan?

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Re: The Pill Kills
« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2009, 01:06:15 PM »
again - why should I invest my time when it's apparent that you'd rather deny that it exists:

here's a few more from the top of a simple google search.  If I give you 20 or 30 would it make any more difference thatn 2 or 4?

Yes

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/nov/06110302.html

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09052707.html

http://www.crosswalk.com/parenting/11555796/

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2009/01/why-pro-lifers-hate-family-pla.html

How do these say that Evangelicals as a norm appose birth control?  Did you even read these?

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/nov/06110302.html

"What we face are many evangelicals whose understanding of these things is rather superficial at best and largely influenced by the culture. And so they know how to answer the question about the sanctity of human life correctly, in the main, but they do not know how to apply that to the question of birth control."

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09052707.html

"For many evangelical Christians, birth control has been an issue of concern only for Catholics... THAT IS ALL CHANGING."
Dr. Albert Mohler, President   
Southern Baptist Seminary

This is only the opinion of this one person, and it actually confirms what I've been telling you.  Why would he be trying to convinced Evangelicals to oppose birth control if they already opposed it, as you claim?

The Southern Baptist Association does not oppose birth control and no Southern Baptist church that I have attended in any country has preached against birth control.

http://www.crosswalk.com/parenting/11555796/

This is one couple that used birth control at first, then they gave it up and they tell why.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2009/01/why-pro-lifers-hate-family-pla.html

This one says that Evangelicals oppose distributing birth control to young, single people because it encourages pre-marital sex.  But they do not oppose birth control if used by married couples.  This is the same thing Beach Bum has been saying.

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Re: The Pill Kills
« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2009, 01:14:14 PM »

How do these say that Evangelicals as a norm appose birth control?  Did you even read these?


I did read them - did you?

I never said Evangelicals AS A NORM oppose birth control ....did I?

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Re: The Pill Kills
« Reply #59 on: June 08, 2009, 01:15:55 PM »
I did read them - did you?

I never said Evangelicals AS A NORM oppose birth control ....did I?

Yes, I read them.  They do not say Evangelicals oppose birth control.

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Re: The Pill Kills
« Reply #60 on: June 08, 2009, 01:28:14 PM »
Yes, I read them.  They do not say Evangelicals oppose birth control.

Loco - seriously -try reading this again.  The author clearly suggests that  many christians are re-thinking birth control and the ones that are still in favor of it (especially the morning after pill) are confused about the sanctity of human life

The one paragraph you posted sounds more like a lament that young christians don't take this issue more seriously ....i.e. my perception is that the author is implying that if they understood the "issue" better they would reject the use of birth control.

According to the author less than half of evangelicals support the use of the morngin after pill which as you know is merely a contraceptive and not an abortion pill.

“What we face are many evangelicals whose understanding of these things is rather superficial at best and largely influenced by the culture. And so they know how to answer the question about the sanctity of human life correctly, in the main, but they do not know how to apply that to the question of birth control.”

Evangelical Leader: Young Protestant Couples Rejecting “Contraception Revolution”

By Gudrun Schultz

LOUISVILLE, Kentucky, November 3, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Young Christian couples are re-thinking contraceptive use and biblical teaching on human sexuality, in response to a growing awareness of the social damage caused by the sexual revolution, a foremost leader in the U.S evangelical community told Christianity Today last month.

Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr., is a theologian and ordained minister, serving as president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the leading educational institution of the Southern Baptist Convention. He said Christian evangelicals are questioning the effects  widespread reliance on birth control has had on society.

“In the first place, this generation has now come to adulthood at a time when we can take some stock of the impact represented by the sexual revolution and by the easy access to effective contraception and birth control,” Dr. Mohler said.

“And the burden now seems to be, ‘What did all of this mean? What was the affect of the birth control revolution? What kind of changes in human institutions and relationships came as a result of the Pill? What about the missing generation among us of children who would otherwise be present were it not for the easy availability of effective birth control?’”

The previous generation’s acceptance of a secular understanding of sexuality and marriage is no longer satisfactory to young people, Dr. Mohler said, who are challenging the separation between fertility and sexuality in the popular mindset.
 
“The second issue is, in this postmodern time, a recovery, among the young, of a biblical ideal of marriage. They are doing their very best to rethink the basic questions and, in doing so, they are embarrassed by the easy, rather unreflective embrace of the contraception culture that marked evangelicalism in the 1960s and 70s. So they want to rethink all this.

“The third thing is, I think, a deep embrace of a biblical notion of sexuality, post-the sexual revolution, has led many younger evangelicals to think seriously about this question, and all this adds up to giant question mark in the minds of many young Christians. Can we join the contraceptive revolution? And, if not, how do we think about these things in a way that will strengthen our marriages and be most pleasing to God.”

Dr. Mohler said survey indications showing almost half of pro-life Americans support easy access to the abortifacient morning-after pill reveals the lack of consistent thinking among evangelicals on the issue.

“What we face are many evangelicals whose understanding of these things is rather superficial at best and largely influenced by the culture. And so they know how to answer the question about the sanctity of human life correctly, in the main, but they do not know how to apply that to the question of birth control.”

Read coverage in Christianity Today:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/octoberweb-only/143-12.0.html

See related LifeSiteNews coverage:

BAPTIST SEMINARY CHALLENGES CULTURE OF DEATH
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/jan/03011008.html

Joint Evangelical and Catholic Document on Abortion calls it Murder
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/oct/06102305.html

Humanae Vitae Conference Celebrates Sexuality, Reveals Dark Legacy of Contraception
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/may/06052402.html


URL: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/nov/06110302.html

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Re: The Pill Kills
« Reply #61 on: June 08, 2009, 02:35:50 PM »
Just wondering - do any other evangelicals on this board believe in NOT teaching your kids about birth control?

If not for birth control what about protecting their health?

If so, why?