Fake War on Terror Bullshit

[Hugo Chavez]

some people need to read between the lines   AND start researching/understanding real history before shooting off their mouths.................. ...............

[24KT]

some people need to read between the lines   AND start researching/understanding real history before shooting off their mouths.................. ...............

 

Are you saying there is no Canadian Conspiracy? ...then what have I been a part of all these years? 

[garebear]

Farouk1986 discussed growing up and preparing to leave his British boarding school in the African nation of Togo for college, which also matches Abdulmutallab's personal history. However, educational pursuits appear to be overtaken by a growing fascination with religion, with posts going so far as to describe his own fantasies about holy war.

"I imagine how the great jihad will take place, how the muslims will win, insha Allah and rule the whole world, and establish the greatest empire once again!!!" reads one Feb. 20, 2005, post. The words "insha Allah" are the phonetic translation of the Arabic for "God willing."

"So usually my fa(n)tasies are about islamic stuff," he continued. "The bad part of it is sometimes the fantasies are a bit worldly rather than concentrating in the hereafter."

[headhuntersix]

The ISI stopped listening to us around 1968 when LBJ decided he wasn't gonna back either the Paki's or the Indians. Sure we had and have contacts but the ISI do and have always done whats in their best interest and a destablized Afghanistan controled by idiots like Mullah Omar were a hell of alot better then Tajik CIA robots like Massoud. They built up the Taliban and they roared out of Mazi Sharif and took the country. Massoud lost Kabul and pulled back to the Panjshir. The guy was educated and backed by the CIA during the entire war. He wasn't a favorite of the Pakistani's and when he wasn't getting US help he got India's...draw ur own conclusions.

[24KT]

The ISI stopped listening to us around 1968 when LBJ decided he wasn't gonna back either the Paki's or the Indians. Sure we had and have contacts but the ISI do and have always done whats in their best interest and a destablized Afghanistan controled by idiots like Mullah Omar were a hell of alot better then Tajik CIA robots like Massoud. They built up the Taliban and they roared out of Mazi Sharif and took the country. Massoud lost Kabul and pulled back to the Panjshir. The guy was educated and backed by the CIA during the entire war. He wasn't a favorite of the Pakistani's and when he wasn't getting US help he got India's...draw ur own conclusions.

Well the ISI certainly seemed to be listening to the CIA when they paid those funds out on the eve of 911.
They also listen pretty well when it comes to determining who will head up the ISI. From my understanding, the CIA has always, and continues to select the head of the ISI ...which for the uninformed, is simply the Pakistani branch.

[shootfighter1]

berzerk, you're right....that's the scary part.  More recent terrorists are well educated, but I think they are culturally susceptible to brainwashing and fanatic behavior. 

[Fury]

Well the ISI certainly seemed to be listening to the CIA when they paid those funds out on the eve of 911.
They also listen pretty well when it comes to determining who will head up the ISI. From my understanding, the CIA has always, and continues to select the head of the ISI ...which for the uninformed, is simply the Pakistani branch.

You have no idea what you're talking about. If you've done any reading on the subject, you'd know that the S Wing of the ISI is what is causing the problems right now and they don't answer to anyone, including the CIA.  

But I'm guessing some Canadian that peddles gas caps is in in the know when it comes to the inner workings of the ISI/CIA. You are one of the "informed" after all. LOL.

[GigantorX]

'Were we married to AQ?"

We were fundamental in funding the mujahadeen and OBL in the 80s, which evolved into Al-Q.

We (along with China, Saudi Arabia, Egypt etc) funded and supplied the mujahadeen during the Afghan war. We didn't fund AQ, and we didn't fund OBL. OBL was a $$$ provider from Saudi Arabia that came to the conflict in search of fame so to speak. OBL did very little if anything during the Afghan War. The Taliban was created during the time that many Afghan refugees spent in the border regions in Pakistan, when we left after the Soviet withdrawal, they returned to fill the void.

[quadzilla456]

Um, that's not really your wife. That woman is a robot, created by the CIA and KGB during the Boxer Rebellion in China. Jesus helped them as well, but no one was able to identify him because he was re-incarnated as the Easter Bunny - debunk.

Here is a picture of an early prototype of your wife created in a Nazi Lab, circa 1941. Look familiar?

Would you hit it?

[quadzilla456]

Well, pick one of your assertions, provide your evidence and we will go from there. (I'm willing to do all of them, but it will take some time, probably a few days)  Questions do not qualify as "proof" of anything.  Questions can be used to cast doubt, but they don't prove anything.  All you've done is made some assertions.  

But to indulge you, I'll give you this one:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-12/07/content_501143.htm

All 94 passengers and crew on the C-130 transport plane died, the Interior Ministry said. Several children, at home because schools were closed due to a smog alert in the capital, were among the dead in the building, witnesses added.


where's the plane?


Here's more:

You see, that's what happens to planes (jet planes) when they hit a concrete building going very fast.  Questions aren't evidence.  Facts are.

Looking at that photo the building looks fairly intact no? The plane is gone yes but where are all the missing parts of the building? Are there better photos that show the extent of the damage?

[quadzilla456]

People like HH6 who have been to the middle east understand the issues much better.  We are talking about a large # of poorly educated people who are often blinded by the mass mentality of their religion.  Their religion is inseparable from their culture, laws and customs.  It is easy to understand why a significant # of these people become radicals and feel justified in doing so (because of a backward religion, influential leaders that manipulate the sheep, and mostly primitive, closed minded culture).

IMO, we can't change these things quickly and shouldn't expend all our resources trying.  In general, we should be monitoring through special ops, CIA, existing bases, etc.  We shouldn't be building up middle eastern governments and countries with our tax dollars with their poor central gov organization and lack of control (and inappropriate military & infrastructure).  The more I think about it, the more I think our mission should change there.  Now, I say this as an outsider, not a military specialist.  They are privy to info which we don't know.

I assume HH6 is a soldier? If so I'm not trying to take away anything he has done and I agree he has better firsthand knowledge of how extreme muslims are and the hatred they garner towards the West.

But one thing to keep in mind is soldiers are very close to this war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is at the same time more difficult for them to step aside and look at the situation from the outside.

Let me ask you this. How would you feel if a bunch of Chinese came to USA and started bombing the shit out of your Town or City? How would you feel if Chinese snipers took out your friends or fellow soldiers with a .50 sniper rifle? I am going to bet that you would feel extreme hatred towards them. I don't doubt that the Muslims hate the West. If they hated us before 9/11 they hate us a lot more now. Could it be that 9/11 was a government plot to galvanize the West into action against the Muslims? Kinda like provoking them so their hatred would increase and turn into genuine violence against the West - thereby justifying the War against them even more? Eventually the hatred between East and West just grows naturally stronger and stronger after this initial catalyst (9/11)?

Even if this is what happened it looks like the West is losing the battle. Look at what's going on in Europe with the Muslim invation.

[Fury]

Why is it that overwhelming majority of people killed by Muslims are other Muslims? Those bombings? Targeting civilians. The sectarian killings? Spearheaded by FOREIGN MUSLIMS. The majority of violence in Iraq and Afghanistan can be attributed to foreign Muslims killing the natives. But it's ok because they happen to be Muslim right? They are no different than us, the mean old Bogeyman.  

Justify terrorism and the mass murder of innocent civilians. Talk about clueless. 

[headhuntersix]

My job is took at the situation from the outside....I read all the books from the outside plus being here or there, I get whats really going on as well. Everything is a CT plot ......generally what u see is what u get.

[OzmO]

Looking at that photo the building looks fairly intact no? The plane is gone yes but where are all the missing parts of the building? Are there better photos that show the extent of the damage?

The video and pics show planes will not do as much damage to buildings as one suspects and because a plane is essentially a hollow shell it won't leave as much debris because much of it will vaporize from the fire or get woven into the rubble due to the speed and ferocity of the impact.

Go to google and search images for airplane crashes with high speed and fully loaded fuel impacts.  There are usually very little left of the planes.  






this debunk is too easy, got another one?

[24KT]

I assume HH6 is a soldier? If so I'm not trying to take away anything he has done and I agree he has better firsthand knowledge of how extreme muslims are and the hatred they garner towards the West.

But one thing to keep in mind is soldiers are very close to this war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is at the same time more difficult for them to step aside and look at the situation from the outside.

Let me ask you this. How would you feel if a bunch of Chinese came to USA and started bombing the shit out of your Town or City? How would you feel if Chinese snipers took out your friends or fellow soldiers with a .50 sniper rifle? I am going to bet that you would feel extreme hatred towards them. I don't doubt that the Muslims hate the West. If they hated us before 9/11 they hate us a lot more now. Could it be that 9/11 was a government plot to galvanize the West into action against the Muslims? Kinda like provoking them so their hatred would increase and turn into genuine violence against the West - thereby justifying the War against them even more? Eventually the hatred between East and West just grows naturally stronger and stronger after this initial catalyst (9/11)?

Even if this is what happened it looks like the West is losing the battle. Look at what's going on in Europe with the Muslim invation.

A very chilling video to say the least, ...and all the more reason to firmly entrench minority rights.

Tyranny of the majority isn't the ideal position to take, ...especially not when you're destined to become the minority.

[headhuntersix]

Look....and O we agree.....u guys come up with crap and we can list a playbook of CT stuff. Its either a false flag, a plane crash without debris, Spec Ops or Black ops...some Right Wing scare tactic or just fill in the blank with some bullshit. It really doesn't work without proof. I'm not an structural engineer or aeronautical engineer so I can't speak on what a plane does or doesn't do when it hits a building. Neither are the idiots who are speaking on this crap here. I can say that "black ops" guys don't operate like that. This isn't Hollywood. We have "black ops" guys strolling around this FOB. They aren't planning false flags or trying to kill Americans to get us further into war. These are guys with kids, dogs, mortgages and are there to kill bad guys. SAMSON wouldn't know a SOF soldier if the guy walked up and shot him in the face.

[quadzilla456]

The video and pics show planes will not do as much damage to buildings as one suspects and because a plane is essentially a hollow shell it won't leave as much debris because much of it will vaporize from the fire or get woven into the rubble due to the speed and ferocity of the impact.

With that statement you are admitting that a plane will not do as much damage to the buildings as one suspects. So how the fuck do you explain WTC and Pentagon then?? You are agreeing with the CT crowd when you make that statement. Thanks.

Here is a photo of the wreckage of the Lockerbie Pan AM crash in 1988: See some wreckage?



Another one:


For every blown to bits plane crash photo you find I can find another one showing a somewhat intact airplane.

I will agree with you some accidents are worse than others and sometimes there is little of the plane left. However there will be "some" wreckage. At Pentagon and Pennsylvania there was almost ZERO wreckage. I did see one or two pieces in the foreground of a photo or two that could easily have been placed there. Also why has the FBI confiscated all impact videos of Pentagon crash?? Except for one bad video showing nothing of real value? Why not release it.

In my mind you haven't debunked anything yet. That's how you guys operate. You make a counter claim and then declare the issue debunked. It has not been debunked. It is just as difficult to debunk a CT as it is to prove it.

[OzmO]

With that statement you are admitting that a plane will not do as much damage to the buildings as one suspects. So how the fuck do you explain WTC and Pentagon then?? You are agreeing with the CT crowd when you make that statement. Thanks.

Here is a photo of the wreckage of the Lockerbie Pan AM crash in 1988: See some wreckage?

http://webspace.webring.com/people/rj/jim_hayden1/image053.jpg

Another one:
http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/090323-japan-crash-hmed-1125p.h2.jpg

For every blown to bits plane crash photo you find I can find another one showing a somewhat intact airplane.

I will agree with you some accidents are worse than others and sometimes there is little of the plane left. However there will be "some" wreckage. At Pentagon and Pennsylvania there was almost ZERO wreckage. I did see one or two pieces in the foreground of a photo or two that could easily have been placed there. Also why has the FBI confiscated all impact videos of Pentagon crash?? Except for one bad video showing nothing of real value? Why not release it.

In my mind you haven't debunked anything yet. That's how you guys operate. You make a counter claim and then declare the issue debunked. It has not been debunked. It is just as difficult to debunk a CT as it is to prove it.

Simple.

The WTC's are essentially glass wrapped around steel framing.  A crash in a concrete wall, reenforced, will give a different result.

The pics you showed are of wreckage that produce more wreckage than the ones i showed.  If those planes had hit a building there would likely bee much less wreckage to see.  You gotta remember, it was fully loaded and fueled passenger plane traveling at 480MPH.  Much of it vaporized and got woven into the wreckage.   When planes take off or land they are traveling at around 200 mph or less. 

If there was anything unusual about the pentagon crash then the c-130 and the others I showed would not exist.  My counter claim soundly debunks the assertion that there was too little debris.  Also, you are basing your conclusion of too little debris on photos only?  Or do you have more?  It's interesting that you wold ask a "question(s)" and use it as some sort of proof, but dismiss "proof" in terms of similar crashes to debunking your myth.  Shows how illogical and flawed CT thinking is.

If you want to go the route of the FBI holding vids we can go there.  Although there isn't much too it that can be proved in relation to the contention that it wasn't a plane.