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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #50 on: April 07, 2011, 12:15:36 PM »
Maybe you live like that but I don't 0 credit card balance, cars paid for, house will be paid for in 5 years. There is lots of wasteful shit that can be cut, but the gutless turds in DC are to scared to address it, because they don't give a shit about America only their ability to stay in power and grow their personal wealth.

Perhaps you don't but a majority of America has and still does. 

Like i said the government is an extension of the people. Until the people start voting against their own short term self interests. good luck.
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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #51 on: April 07, 2011, 12:16:48 PM »
how exactly does across the board cuts create an environment more attractive to business

I'm not saying you're not right but I just need to understand your reasoning and maybe you can show an example of how that has worked in the past


35% corp tax rate highest in the world, cut that to attract business.
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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #52 on: April 07, 2011, 12:21:10 PM »
Perhaps you don't but a majority of America has and still does. 

Like i said the government is an extension of the people. Until the people start voting against their own short term self interests. good luck.

We just did in the midterms by tossing out a ton of communist democrats! 

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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #53 on: April 07, 2011, 12:23:10 PM »

35% corp tax rate highest in the world, cut that to attract business.

Rather than just blindly cutting it, wouldn't it be better to say have a two tiered system?  

I.E. 51% or more of your workforce is in America so you pay 25% and if you don't meet that then you pay 35%?

Otherwise what incentive is there to hire anyone?  Just because a business increases revenue due to a tax decrease does not mean it will hire new people.  Especially if there isn't any growth or sustainable growth that would mean hiring someone makes sense.  
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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2011, 01:56:44 PM »
Grow revenue? We could tax the populace at 100% and it wouldn't close the deficit. Revenue and cutting.

50% of the population doesn't have an income tax liability, that has to change. People on here get all worked up about the "rich" getting taxes cut or whatever all the while half of the country pays ZERO%. And it isn't about rates, it's about a persons tax liabilities. Raise the rates and keep the deductions/credits/loopholes and you probably won't collect what you think if anymore at all. Raise the rates too much and those with the means will find ways to escape them.

Lower the rates, close the tricks and loopholes. Reward savers and risk takers. For the "rich" or whoever you want have the capital gains tax set at the top rate. Everyone pays.

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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #55 on: April 08, 2011, 01:42:08 AM »
Are you saying 50% of the population does not pay taxes?

Is that because they dont have a job or.. ???

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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #56 on: April 08, 2011, 04:58:05 AM »
Dems too crazy to win
By Cheri Jacobus - 04/07/11 06:29 PM ET

 

Fiscal sanity versus the ruination of America. That seems to be where the budget debate lies.

The Republican budget proposal to eliminate some $6 trillion in federal spending over the next decade and eliminate the deficit in 30 years is shocking — but only in the sense that the situation has become so out of hand, so insanely ridiculous, it will take at least that much and that long to right the wrongs of Washington.


The insanity of fiscal policy that promotes an unsustainable chasm between spending and revenues will dog President Obama and his party all the way through to November 2012, especially after Republicans pull the curtain back on details that average Americans can understand and care about. House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) seems to have found a way to pick the lock in terms of effectively talking about fiscal issues that usually make our eyes glaze over. He gets extra credit for not talking down to us and for looking and sounding like a sane grownup in the process, reminding us how sadly rare such qualities are in our elected officials. (Instead, they should be among the bare minimum of qualifications for those charged with spending our hard-earned tax dollars.)

While Democrats whine and lie about mean Republicans “taking” from seniors and children, many conservatives are concerned that Ryan’s long-term budget plan might not go far enough, soon enough to save the country. It’s highly likely the GOP presidential primary contest will be centered on just this point — a healthy, adult, responsible discussion on the question of whether the GOP was trying to cut enough. Did we go far enough? Did we fight hard enough? The question of reining in how much to steal from future generations is a moral issue, as well — at least for the GOP — since President Obama and the Democrats lack moral misgivings about such theft.

When a GOP nominee emerges, it will be someone who hits all the right notes and has established a proven record of fiscal sanity. The primary process will ensure the public will be well-versed and primed on fiscal issues. One surprising indication that Americans (or at least Republicans) are dead serious about getting our fiscal house in order is a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll showing gazillionaire Donald Trump scoring quite well, sharing second place with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in a nine-person field among likely Republican primary voters. That’s how hungry Americans are for fiscal leadership.

That same poll also shows the nation about split on the issue of a government shutdown, with conservatives favoring deep spending cuts even if it means Democrats force a shutdown, but others in the electorate favoring compromise in order to avoid a shutdown.

But who cares more? It’s far more likely voters favoring cuts and willing to withstand a shutdown will vote on that as a key issue than those favoring “compromise,” putting it front and center when they go to the polls next year. An enthusiasm gap, perhaps?

Can there BE a more frightening scenario for Obama and the Democrats? Can they actually get enough voters to the polls who care more about federal handouts than the future of the nation? Certainly those people exist. But identifying more of them than those committed to reducing deficits and debt will be a nifty trick, indeed. It will take a lot of fancy footwork, lies and out-and-out bribery with promises of more taxpayer-financed goodies to get them to the polls.

Pulling at our heartstrings to get to our purse strings is an uninspired campaign tactic — and a cheap one at that. Democrats desperately need to close the enthusiasm gap that crippled their 2010 campaign. While Americans who are deeply concerned about the debt and deficits plaguing the nation are becoming more fully engaged at an earlier point in the election cycle, with many never dipping into complacency after last November’s elections, where voter turnout was higher than any midterm election since 1982, Democrats are trying to appeal to a base that feeds from the federal coffers and is desperate to continue to do so — consequences be damned. Republicans are appealing to the patriotic, moral, responsible better angels of Americans. Democrats are left to pick away at the rotting carcass of self-interest and fear as the centerpiece of their national campaign strategy.

How insane is that?

Jacobus, president of Capitol Strategies PR, has managed congressional campaigns, worked on Capitol Hill and is an adjunct professor at George Washington University’s Graduate School of Political Management. She appears on CNN, MSNBC and FOX News as a GOP strategist.






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http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/cheri-jacobus/154735-dems-too-crazy-to-win

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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #57 on: April 08, 2011, 06:33:34 AM »
The problem with Ryan's plan is that it wouldn't eliminate the federal deficit until 2040 and we would double our national debt by then.  It's better than nothing, but far from enough.  

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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #58 on: April 08, 2011, 06:40:58 AM »
repubs aren't backing the Ryan plan.  It's problematic.  Cut medicare, and give tax cuts to rich.  That's the way to descibe it. 

Repubs aren't embracing it - so right or wrong, the perception becomes the reality.

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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #59 on: April 08, 2011, 08:11:42 AM »
repubs aren't backing the Ryan plan.  It's problematic.  Cut medicare, and give tax cuts to rich.  That's the way to descibe it. 

Repubs aren't embracing it - so right or wrong, the perception becomes the reality.

We've been through this before, either you weren't paying attention or you just like being a clown.

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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #60 on: April 08, 2011, 08:20:27 AM »
Are you saying 50% of the population does not pay taxes?

Is that because they dont have a job or.. ???

Earned Income Tax Credit
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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #61 on: April 08, 2011, 08:45:23 AM »
No wonder bernie madoff was a democrat. 

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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #62 on: April 08, 2011, 08:46:47 AM »
Earned Income Tax Credit

Through that, other credits, loopholes, filing status's, deductions etc....50% of the nation has ZERO% income tax liability a the end of tax day.


But again, don't pay any mind to that, nothing wrong with 50%of the nation paying zero....we need to concentrate on bleeding those uppity rich folk with their small businesses and fancy houses and picture tubes in the living room!

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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #63 on: April 08, 2011, 08:53:33 AM »
Its amazing how reckless these maddoffs on the left are when it comes to money. 

They are like the idiot in harlem who wins the lotto and then blows it all in a month on crack, coke, booze, rims, etc.

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Re: Paul Ryan's Budget Cuts
« Reply #64 on: April 08, 2011, 02:36:15 PM »
Through that, other credits, loopholes, filing status's, deductions etc....50% of the nation has ZERO% income tax liability a the end of tax day.


But again, don't pay any mind to that, nothing wrong with 50%of the nation paying zero....we need to concentrate on bleeding those uppity rich folk with their small businesses and fancy houses and picture tubes in the living room!

Where did you get these numbers? How can unemployment be 10-20% then?