With regard to running a marathon- input needed

[HockeyFightFan]

chopped says some good stuff here. I tried gu a few times before the race. I only drink water when I have to during. Stay away from the gatoraid if you ask me. The first half I drank at mile 10, I had to stop at mile 12 in the porta potty and it didn't agree with me.

Again, I set my alarm for like 1am after a big run to stretch the muscles and walk around the house. I use a race type fanny pack. Keep ibuprofen, gu gel.

I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, me, me, me, me, me, me.

Christ, you're barely moving faster than a brisk walking pace.  Whothefuck you trying to fool?   

[newmom]

I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, me, me, me, me, me, me.

Christ, you're barely moving faster than a brisk walking pace.  Whothefuck you trying to fool?   

Oh. STFU, you old bastard. Where did I ever claim to run fast

[HockeyFightFan]

Oh. STFU, you old bastard. Where did I ever claim to run fast

No, I know - the course grew in length and your satelite based GPS running APP picked up on it.

(ROLLFUCKINGEYES)

You giving any form of running or training advices is pretty fucking ironic. 

[newmom]

No, I know - the course grew in length and your satelite based GPS running APP picked up on it.

(ROLLFUCKINGEYES)

You giving any form of running or training advices is pretty fucking ironic. 

Lmao, you got me there

[NordicNerd]

Yoy think it's the running itself or could you gain if you eat more cals or more protein ?

Good question. I have often wondered if the body have some way of adapting to running that is somthing "more" than simply calorie balance related. Eg, being light is very advantageous when running. Thus, does the body shed muscle mass as an adapative mechanism?

I would guess hormones could be an explanation. Running a lot reduces sex drive ;-/ and changes several hormone levels.

Do you have an opinion on this?

NN

[GroinkTropin]

I just want to finish without injuring myself LOL..



Mike, also, I learned this lesson at mile 2 of my first marathon. If he doesn't need to get water, run at the opposite side of where the water stations are. Runners are messy, after they are done with the cup (s), they just throw them on the ground . The ground gets supper slick, I almost fell on my ass, so I learned that lesson quick

I directed him to this thread, and I appreciate all of the responses!

I have a small comment to make, re: running- is it my imagination, or is running gaining popularity in this country the last couple years?

Five years ago I didn't know ANYONE who ran, suddenly I have 4-5 family members who run, and their friends suddenly run as well. By run I mean marathons. Half marathons, full, in the mud etc. It just seems to be taking off right now. Or I am crazy, one of the two...

[newmom]

I directed him to this thread, and I appreciate all of the responses!

I have a small comment to make, re: running- is it my imagination, or is running gaining popularity in this country the last couple years?

Five years ago I didn't know ANYONE who ran, suddenly I have 4-5 family members who run, and their friends suddenly run as well. By run I mean marathons. Half marathons, full, in the mud etc. It just seems to be taking off right now. Or I am crazy, one of the two...

I NEVER would of thought I'd enjoy running the way I do. Sure their are days I want to say "fuck it, don't feel like doing it" but I just go do it because I'd feel icky if I dont. I got the thought in my noggin to try a full marathon and it became quite fun. I can't speak for others, I just like the sense of accomplishment in finishing big runs.

It seems it has taken off, but that's not a bad thing

[GroinkTropin]

Buddy read the thread, his response

"Thanks Mike, they all have some good info. They were asking some questions about me to help with their answers, so here is some of my info. Im 33, 5'11 190 and I'm trying to qualify for the Boston(sub 3:10). I have been training for about 6 months and done several long runs. The Gu packs make me sick so I'm trying to fine something that can give me carbs during the run that can replace the Gu. Since I'm pretty heavy for someone running a marathon at my height, I figure I need to replenish about 60 carbs an hour during the race."

Appreciated!

[newmom]

Buddy read the thread, his response

"Thanks Mike, they all have some good info. They were asking some questions about me to help with their answers, so here is some of my info. Im 33, 5'11 190 and I'm trying to qualify for the Boston(sub 3:10). I have been training for about 6 months and done several long runs. The Gu packs make me sick so I'm trying to fine something that can give me carbs during the run that can replace the Gu. Since I'm pretty heavy for someone running a marathon at my height, I figure I need to replenish about 60 carbs an hour during the race."

Appreciated!

He's not heavy for someone running a marathon. My only advice for him, perhaps some type of bars he can stick in his pocket since the GU gel doesn't agree with him. Good luck..In case you don't know. Boston is a purist run..NO IPODS or anything allowed

[Hulkotron]

I had a few pairs of Shox.  Two were pretty good, the third was a terrible shoe.  They have really thick, stiff soles which I don't think is optimal for long distance running.  They're also really heavy for a running shoe.

These days I wear New Balances for running.

[ChopperRider]

Methyl Mike:
Tell your buddy to perform a "sweat test" run. Weigh himself naked, go run for an hour, come home and weigh in naked again. The weight loss is water. That will tell him how much he needs to take in per hour to hydrate during the race. Try to keep factors like paceN clothes and weather similar to expected race conditions during the sweat test. He will need to plan on not taking in more than 6 ounces of water at one time, or it will slosh around in his stomach.

If Gu bothers him, have him buy high carb jelly beans at a running store - easier to take in small amounts. Forget the carb bar suggestion.

You mention he's done "some long runs". He should understand that a good goal for a first marathon is just to finish. Under 3:10 and qualify for Boston is a lofty goal. Not trying to talk him out of going for it, but 3:10 is moving at a good clip.

Tell him to be careful with the water intake. It's probably the second biggest mistake new runners make. Too much can kill him also, so it can't just be a wild guess.

[GroinkTropin]

Methyl Mike:
Tell your buddy to perform a "sweat test" run. Weigh himself naked, go run for an hour, come home and weigh in naked again. The weight loss is water. That will tell him how much he needs to take in per hour to hydrate during the race. Try to keep factors like paceN clothes and weather similar to expected race conditions during the sweat test. He will need to plan on not taking in more than 6 ounces of water at one time, or it will slosh around in his stomach.

If Gu bothers him, have him buy high carb jelly beans at a running store - easier to take in small amounts. Forget the carb bar suggestion.

You mention he's done "some long runs". He should understand that a good goal for a first marathon is just to finish. Under 3:10 and qualify for Boston is a lofty goal. Not trying to talk him out of going for it, but 3:10 is moving at a good clip.

Tell him to be careful with the water intake. It's probably the second biggest mistake new runners make. Too much can kill him also, so it can't just be a wild guess.

Will do. Much appreciated 

[viking1]

Buddy read the thread, his response

"Thanks Mike, they all have some good info. They were asking some questions about me to help with their answers, so here is some of my info. Im 33, 5'11 190 and I'm trying to qualify for the Boston(sub 3:10). I have been training for about 6 months and done several long runs. The Gu packs make me sick so I'm trying to fine something that can give me carbs during the run that can replace the Gu. Since I'm pretty heavy for someone running a marathon at my height, I figure I need to replenish about 60 carbs an hour during the race."

Appreciated!

You should consider Hammer Nutrition's "Hammer Gel". No refined sugars at all and no crap. Very mild on the stomach and not too many endurance athletes get GI distress from it. All flavors are very mild in taste and won't be hard to swallow if warm(serious. lol, no homo). Most other companies pack a lot of refined sugar and garbage(kind like glorified candy bars and jelly beans).

[newmom]

Methyl Mike:
Tell your buddy to perform a "sweat test" run. Weigh himself naked, go run for an hour, come home and weigh in naked again. The weight loss is water. That will tell him how much he needs to take in per hour to hydrate during the race. Try to keep factors like paceN clothes and weather similar to expected race conditions during the sweat test. He will need to plan on not taking in more than 6 ounces of water at one time, or it will slosh around in his stomach.

If Gu bothers him, have him buy high carb jelly beans at a running store - easier to take in small amounts. Forget the carb bar suggestion.

You mention he's done "some long runs". He should understand that a good goal for a first marathon is just to finish. Under 3:10 and qualify for Boston is a lofty goal. Not trying to talk him out of going for it, but 3:10 is moving at a good clip.

Tell him to be careful with the water intake. It's probably the second biggest mistake new runners make. Too much can kill him also, so it can't just be a wild guess.

The jelly beans work but NOT in the middle of running, fucking things go everywhere (not that I would know ). Chopper Rider makes a very good point about the water, which is somewhat like I was saying before.

After the race, (I'm sure they will have food for the runners, or at least they should), grab at least 3 bananas. Help to prevent cramping up

[Dr Dutch]

Good question. I have often wondered if the body have some way of adapting to running that is somthing "more" than simply calorie balance related. Eg, being light is very advantageous when running. Thus, does the body shed muscle mass as an adapative mechanism?

I would guess hormones could be an explanation. Running a lot reduces sex drive ;-/ and changes several hormone levels.

Do you have an opinion on this?

NN

I'm sure you can train the body to save muscle, especially if you eat enough protein or BCAA's before running. But you never hear Pro's doing lots of running as cardio. When I was running a lot my legs got skinny, but I never combined it with squats. Surely you can't be Ronnie Coleman and Gabreselassie at the same time, but I like to know how much you can do without compromizing the muscle.