Author Topic: The Sport Has "Progressed"... Phil Heath vs. Dorian Yates (Read 10774 times)

Wiggs · « **Reply #25 on:** September 19, 2011, 05:15:03 PM »

Phil aint ready for Dorian yet.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #26 on:** September 19, 2011, 05:16:18 PM »

Quote from: Wiggs on September 19, 2011, 05:15:03 PM

Phil aint ready for Dorian yet.

He would never be as wide or as hard or dry , that's never gonna happen

Mr.1derful · « **Reply #27 on:** September 19, 2011, 05:39:28 PM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on September 19, 2011, 06:51:58 AM

Would Phil last night have beaten this The Mr.Olympia winner from 15 years ago.....

SUCKMYMUSCLE

They would have given Dorian one obligatory call out and called it a day, giving him straight firsts. Heath is good, and hats off to him, but Dorian in that shape would crush him. Heath would be a very distant second.

Jaime · « **Reply #28 on:** September 20, 2011, 05:09:02 AM »

Phil has a far better physique than Dorian. Phil has no weaknesses and has good lines and fullness. Dorian has great condition, no arms and no lines.

gh15 · « **Reply #29 on:** September 20, 2011, 05:13:20 AM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on September 19, 2011, 06:51:58 AM

Would Phil last night have beaten this The Mr.Olympia winner from 15 years ago.....

SUCKMYMUSCLE

he would place like tony place usualy now day...10th,, if! he came at his best of the best tip top maxed,, then he wuld have gotten 10th place

gh15 approved

gh15 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 20, 2011, 05:13:55 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on September 19, 2011, 05:15:03 PM

Phil aint ready for Dorian yet.

he will never be,, NO FOUNDATION

gh15 approved

gh15 · « **Reply #31 on:** September 20, 2011, 05:16:18 AM »

Quote from: Jaime on September 20, 2011, 05:09:02 AM

Phil has a far better physique than Dorian. Phil has no weaknesses and has good lines and fullness. Dorian has great condition, no arms and no lines.

he has quitre few wekeness ,,among them ....no calvicles,, that means he is complete dependent of high dose gh usage,, if its taken from him he is done with bodybuild,,

and second weakness which is very noticable...HE IS SMALL! he is not big fella he is 3 dimentional due to mega dose hgh andinsulina,, but he is as big as ken ....which wasnt big...he is small competitor sitting 230-245,, and he is 5'9 ,,

gh15 approved

Princess L · « **Reply #32 on:** September 20, 2011, 07:26:40 AM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on September 19, 2011, 04:06:36 PM

"Princess L", stop changing the title of every thread...this is ridiculous. Every thread I start in the Gossip&opinion boards you change the title or add something to it even though the titles don't have any expletives and don't break the board's rules in any way. You do this to everyone's threads.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I haven't touched any of yours or anyone else's threads. Get over yourself. I have better things to do than to follow your threads around.

Meso_z · « **Reply #33 on:** September 20, 2011, 07:36:54 AM »

Quote from: Princess L on September 20, 2011, 07:26:40 AM

I haven't touched any of yours or anyone else's threads. Get over yourself. I have better things to do than to follow your threads around.

MB · « **Reply #34 on:** September 20, 2011, 08:02:38 AM »

Bodybuilding limits were reached in the '90's. The goal today should be to draw in the genetic elite, that's the only way to repeat a Coleman or Yates or something we've never seen before. Phil has an athletic look, so maybe he will appeal to kids who hadn't thought about bodybuilding before.

tbombz · « **Reply #35 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:16:01 AM »

dorian looks like garbage compared to heath.

Tito24 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:17:30 AM »

Quote from: tbombz on September 20, 2011, 09:16:01 AM

dorian looks like garbage compared to heath.

but dorian looks like a bber when he has clothes on.

G_Thang · « **Reply #37 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:21:21 AM »

Quote from: Jaime on September 20, 2011, 05:09:02 AM

Phil has a far better physique than Dorian. Phil has no weaknesses and has good lines and fullness. Dorian has great condition, no arms and no lines.

flex, shawn, kevin, cormier, dex, wolfe, branch

and the grade school girl all had prettier physiques than yates and ronnie.

who were the better bbers?

phil is lucky jay is such a dog mr o. two times he has been outed.

The Wizard · « **Reply #38 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:21:46 AM »

Quote from: gh15 on September 20, 2011, 05:16:18 AM

he has quitre few wekeness ,,among them ....no calvicles,, that means he is complete dependent of high dose gh usage,, if its taken from him he is done with bodybuild,,

and second weakness which is very noticable...HE IS SMALL! he is not big fella he is 3 dimentional due to mega dose hgh andinsulina,, but he is as big as ken ....which wasnt big...he is small competitor sitting 230-245,, and he is 5'9 ,,

gh15 approved

Bodybuilding is all about illusion. You reckon you competed?
Phil Vs Dorian is a pointless argument as they are a generation apart but for what its worth Dorian would have been top 5 at the weekend if transported in at his best.
Get over yourself, anyone with half a bodybuilding brain can see Heath is a great bodybuilder and worthy winner.
If you have any other questions, please just ask.

dyslexic · « **Reply #39 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:23:46 AM »

Quote from: Tito24 on September 19, 2011, 07:05:09 AM

dorian had real muscle.

Substantially *more* anyway...

The Wizard · « **Reply #40 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:24:55 AM »

Quote from: dyslexic on September 20, 2011, 09:23:46 AM

Substantially More Dense anyway...

Corrected

dyslexic · « **Reply #41 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:27:38 AM »

Phil Heath will not be an "ambassador" to the *sport*

BTW, did anyone figure out if Kevin Engrish truly has "Downs Syndrome?"... wait... that was "Coach" (sorry)

tbombz · « **Reply #42 on:** September 20, 2011, 09:55:35 AM »

Quote from: Tito24 on September 20, 2011, 09:17:30 AM

but dorian looks like a bber when he has clothes on.

so does phil

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #43 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:05:28 AM »

Quote from: Jaime on September 20, 2011, 05:09:02 AM

Phil has a far better physique than Dorian. Phil has no weaknesses and has good lines and fullness. Dorian has great condition, no arms and no lines.

translation - ' I think Phil has a prettier physique '

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #44 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:19:02 AM »

Quote from: G_Thang on September 20, 2011, 09:21:21 AM

flex, shawn, kevin, cormier, dex, wolfe, branch and the grade school girl all had prettier physiques than yates and ronnie.

who were the better bbers?

phil is lucky jay is such a dog mr o. two times he has been outed.

They can't comprehend and separate what will win vs what they think SHOULD win

Here you go , fantastic structure , outstanding genetics , aesthetic classical physique with unmatched lines

and NEVER won a single pro show !

people were bitching Bob Paris should beat Lee Haney because he's more of the ideal physique , same with Labrada , same with Shawn Ray with Dorian , same with Flex Wheeler with Ronnie , same with Serge Nubret and Arnold , etc

pretty physiques DO NOT win contests , aesthetic haven't mattered since Steve Reeves

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #45 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:20:30 AM »

Quote from: tbombz on September 20, 2011, 09:16:01 AM

dorian looks like garbage compared to heath.

From an aesthetics standpoint? you'll get NO argument but from an IFBB judging criteria standpoint , Dorian beats Heath easily

aesthetics mean shit in contests , what you think should win doesn't matter

Bam-bam · « **Reply #46 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:58:43 AM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on September 19, 2011, 06:51:58 AM

Would Phil last night have beaten this The Mr.Olympia winner from 15 years ago.....

SUCKMYMUSCLE

that dorian would be too much maybe even to a prime Ronnie. BUT, Dorian never looked like this in a Olympia stage, always much more flatter.

suckmymuscle · « **Reply #47 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:59:12 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on September 20, 2011, 10:20:30 AM

From an aesthetics standpoint? you'll get NO argument but from an IFBB judging criteria standpoint , Dorian beats Heath easily

aesthetics mean shit in contests , what you think should win doesn't matter

  Yes, to complement ND's posts - and we are pretty much the only two guys in this board who truly understand bodybuilding judging on a deep level - this is what matters when it comes to deciding who wins bodybuilding contests:

  - The development of the muscles.

  - The proportionality between them.

  - The proportionality of the skeletal frame

  - The quality of the muscles - conditioning, or how much detail(vascularity, separations and striations) the muscles are showing,

  These four criterias are acessed in the seven mandatories of the muscularity round and the three angles of the symmetry round at once.

  The only exception to this is the posing round, when all the criteria is accessed but also an artistic element that depends on the talent of the bodybuilder.

  Who wins depends on these four criterias acessed all at once in the two rounds. Aesthetics, or the shape of the muscles, are simply not a part of the criteria

SUCKMYMUSCLE