So, let's say peak oil is real and Saudi runs out in the next 30 years, what

[avxo]

we all be come like evan centopani and live in a glass house

Perfect for posing!

[The True Adonis]

do you think will happen?

Discuss...

Ron Poop would let them run wild like animals and not do a thing about it.

[tendonitis]

Haven't you guys seen the movie The Road Warrior.....that's what will happen.....good times.

[Hulkotron]

Haven't you guys seen the movie The Road Warrior.....that's what will happen.....good times.

There's a book about this too, "The Road".  It's supposed to be really good but I thought it was shite.

[Parker]

sounds about right to me.

there's probably some shit in a lab that we'll get out when we need it.

Hell, didn't tesla have some technology that would 'broadcast' electricity, and that was 100 years ago?

If it didn't mean we've have our enemies fueling their weapons to use against us, and the profit motive, i bet we could easily have free elecricity spread out, and everything we have would run on that, and not gas.  but hey, oil is big money, let's roll with it.

Tesla had a lot o fshit, plus the use of magnets for energy///
And then there is your own Coral Castle in your backyard...how was that made?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

I realize that science probably isn't your strongest suit, but here it goes.

Solar panels are about 20% efficient, and produce about 12 to 14 watts per hour per square foot. Let's assume a really fancy solar panel that can generate 20W/sqft on a window that is 3 feet by 3 feet. The panel would still only generate (20 W/hr/sqft) * (9 sqft) = 180 W/hr. That's not enough to run a microwave even if the sun is shining really really brightly.

But let's not worry about details. Maybe you want to run a small radio. And let's be generous, and say that this window faces the sun 8 hours a day -- every day, regardless of season -- and that the panel can pump out a constant 180 W/hr for those 8 hours. This magical system will still only produce less that 530 kWh per year.

V





Remember, that the average American home uses ~11000 kWh per year, at an average cost of $0.12/kWh. With those prices, the generated electricity from our magical system is worth about $65 per year.

Solar panels are a lot more efficient than before and they generate way more power than just 12-14 watts per hour.  You obviously should study a bit more into solar power because you're almost a decade behind in things.  In addition, setting up your own system also means you have to do things different in terms of the type of house you live in.  

Listen to what I'm saying, I'm not talking just about just solar...I'm talking about a combination of solar, wind, propane, and biodiesel fuels for living needs.  There's too much information to type up on this, you'll just have to do the research for yourself.

If you want to learn more, visit www.simplesolarhomestead ing.com.  This guy knows his shit.

[avxo]

Solar panels are a lot more efficient than before and they generate way more power than just 12-14 watts per hour.  You obviously should study a bit more into solar power because you're almost a decade behind in things.  In addition, setting up your own system also means you have to do things different in terms of the type of house you live in.  

The commercially available solar panels are hovering at that point. If you think differently, by all means, provide some links.

Listen to what I'm saying, I'm not talking just about just solar...I'm talking about a combination of solar, wind, propane, and biodiesel fuels for living needs.  There's too much information to type up on this, you'll just have to do the research for yourself.

Really? I must have misread your post earlier, where you said: "I'm basically going for luxury living [...] and retiring with a constant and steady postive cash flow." If you think a few dozen square feet of solar panels on your roof and a pound of grease from a McDonalds deep frier will translate to luxury living and provide you with a steady and positive cash flow you're either crazy or insane.

If you want to learn more, visit www.simplesolarhomestead ing.com.  This guy knows his shit.

Forgive me for being skeptical. After all, this is some random guy on the Internet, whose only credentials seem to be posting pictures of a postage stamp-sized hut, and who uses really large fonts to sell me e-books.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

The commercially available solar panels are hovering at that point. If you think differently, by all means, provide some links.


Really? I must have misread your post earlier, where you said: "I'm basically going for luxury living [...] and retiring with a constant and steady postive cash flow." If you think a few dozen square feet of solar panels on your roof and a pound of grease from a McDonalds deep frier will translate to luxury living and provide you with a steady and positive cash flow you're either crazy or insane.


Forgive me for being skeptical. After all, this is some random guy on the Internet, whose only credentials seem to be posting pictures of a postage stamp-sized hut, and who uses really large fonts to sell me e-books.

You can go on Ebay and take advantage of purchasing the Chinese made solar panels.  As far as luxery living is concerned, if you're not racking your brains trying to pay your bills and you're able to live the same as before or even better, then I think that's a luxury in itself.  Producing 40 gallons of biodiesel (one load) can run a power generator for 160 hours or you can drive about 600 miles in a truck at 20mpg. 


And as far as the "random guy" is concerned, he's an author and engineer of one of the most popular homesteading books around which contains dozens of plans and instructions including different types of homesteads.  No one has to go and build the same house as he has but he did so to show just how inexpensive it can be. 

[RagingBull]

Jay will have to retire

 

[MikMaq]

do you think will happen?

Discuss...

Peak oil is obviously real it's a matter of when not if, and 30 years out is far longer than expected. Alot of people especially in the industry believe production has already peaked. I really hate going into this topic though because ADD tends to prevail.

But it's real simple, there are 3/4 scenarios that are somewhat realistic.

1) there's a global financial crisis within the next 2/3 years, outbreak of war, this causes a break down in world trade, where everyone is hording what they got, causing a breakdown in the food supply,  as food growers can't get oil, metal suppliers can't get food, oil suppliers can't get enough industrial materials(metals etc) to produce, and urban centers turn into warzones, which causes about 90 percent of the worlds population to die.

2) Oil starts a gradual decline, the worlds economies contract at a rate say about 1-2 percent per year, and basically we start reversing all the trends of the last 200 years. I.E. 2050 looks like 1970, 290 looks like 1930 etc.  Populations decline shrinking down to 4 billion within a century, technology turns to shit, as the economies of scale work in reverse, and techs become shittier and at the same time becoming more expensive, demand falls and the superconductor industry, slips to shit(moore's law in reverse)

3) Things stay about the same, except the globe transitions to green tech. On average the world will stay about the same but get more balanced. The world economy becomes resource driven as it was in the past, with countries valued by their ability to produce, not their ability to consume. This in turn causes places like japan to turn to absolute shit, and places that are resource rich like africa to thrive. The biggest headaches for us, is were a society that is 5 percent of the population and burns 75 percent of the energy. Going to our respective, 20-5 percent share will be a massive undertaking, and require america to be redesigned, with no cars, no suburds, no free ways etc.


4) A miracle happens and fusion techs become a reality with the next 20 years. The worlds economy experiences a new wavee of industrialization, that hasn't been seen in over 100 years.


Now the odds, of the option 1 and 4 are about 5 percent each. Most likely I think it will be option 2 or 3. Nothing amazing, but either way america is gonna have some hard time ahead.