Why is it so difficult to have a great back double bicep?

[ritch]

In general I see two problems, sloppy momentum-like movements and not squeezing the shoulder blades. It's not that hard to fix these as long as someone is willing to learn...

I hear of that but have yet to understand it. I just pull with my lats and it works pretty good. Same with the "tuck your elbows in" bench remark. WTF are they talking about. Dumb it down, lower and push back up. Fuck....

[Royalty]

'02

[DroppingPlates]

I hear of that but have yet to understand it. I just pull with my lats and it works pretty good. Same with the "tuck your elbows in" bench remark. WTF are they talking about. Dumb it down, lower and push back up. Fuck....

Different education & learning methods, it takes practise to master a row or pull.

[NarcissisticDeity]

beckles had a great BDB

often forgotten is Momo Benaziza

Right

[affeman]

Kovacs 96

[Royalty]

Kovacs 96

He peaked in 96

[Necrosis]

That depends on who you're competing with. If all things are equal and one guy has calves and the other doesn't guess who's going to win?

All things are never equal. Ronnie's quads are as far ahead of dorians quads as dorians calves are to ronnies. He has calves, not that great though, dorian has great calves and mediocre quads. They lack sweep and separation, he purposely flexed his sartorius and highlight it to hide his avg quads. I also think dorians biceps where terrible compared to ronnies, where is the split? as you know it's two muscles (the biceps), I can even make out ronnies Brachioradialis quite clearly and some coracobrachialis (fuck sp) near his delt, none of this is present in dorian.

are spilt biceps better then huge calves? are striated triceps better? calves are like forearms, they need to be reasonable and be in proportion. I think dorians where clearly out of proportion, they appear as wide as his quads in some photos, they were almost too big.

[SquidVicious]

Flex and Dillett with enough oil in their rear delts to interest ISIS in invading.

[Alucard]

Flex and Dillett with enough oil in their rear delts to interest ISIS in invading.

Absolutely, and in Dillett's case a complete nonsense, just ruined even more his weak back poses, looking disproportional and smooth, just look at the difference between 1993 and 1997...

[_aj_]

Flex and Dillett with enough oil in their rear delts to interest ISIS in invading.

I always thought SEO was a relatively new thing. There are some guys where it is obvious (like that Halibaugh clown), but a lot of guys that get accused here of "oil", I just don't see it. Maybe I am just naive.

[MORTALCOIL]

I always thought SEO was a relatively new thing. There are some guys where it is obvious (like that Halibaugh clown), but a lot of guys that get accused here of "oil", I just don't see it. Maybe I am just naive.

It's like diet, some just spill over.

[NarcissisticDeity]

All things are never equal. Ronnie's quads are as far ahead of dorians quads as dorians calves are to ronnies. He has calves, not that great though, dorian has great calves and mediocre quads. They lack sweep and separation, he purposely flexed his sartorius and highlight it to hide his avg quads. I also think dorians biceps where terrible compared to ronnies, where is the split? as you know it's two muscles (the biceps), I can even make out ronnies Brachioradialis quite clearly and some coracobrachialis (fuck sp) near his delt, none of this is present in dorian.

are spilt biceps better then huge calves? are striated triceps better? calves are like forearms, they need to be reasonable and be in proportion. I think dorians where clearly out of proportion, they appear as wide as his quads in some photos, they were almost too big.

All things are never equal

Obviously not. Good job Cherry picking everything YOU think wins a pose while omitting everything that does win a pose. Good job pointing out Ronnie's quads because this shows how imbalanced his physique is. Overblown quads sitting on-top of pathetic calves and glutes so oversized they can be seen from the front. Ronnie's balance & proportion sucks , always has. And you can see the sartorius muscle in the back-double-biceps shot? Really?  Ronnie has some clear advantages over Dorian in this pose , however when you do what judges do and assess all of the criteria , muscular bulk , density & dryness , balance & proportion , being complete from head-to-toe. Dorian beats Ronnie and just about anyone else in this pose and many others.

[MORTALCOIL]

Obviously not. Good job Cherry picking everything YOU think wins a pose while omitting everything that does win a pose. Good job pointing out Ronnie's quads because this shows how imbalanced his physique is. Overblown quads sitting on-top of pathetic calves and glutes so oversized they can be seen from the front. Ronnie's balance & proportion sucks , always has. And you can see the sartorius muscle in the back-double-biceps shot? Really?  Ronnie has some clear advantages over Dorian in this pose , however when you do what judges do and assess all of the criteria , muscular bulk , density & dryness , balance & proportion , being complete from head-to-toe. Dorian beats Ronnie and just about anyone else in this pose and many others.

[NarcissisticDeity]

LMAO

[Thin Lizzy]

You just don't see hair like that, anymore.

[Juruth]

It seems to be the most difficult pose to be great at. I don't think its because of lack of effort for most pros.

Just out of curiosity, shouldn't you kind of be more concerned about getting a real job?

[DroppingPlates]

Just out of curiosity, shouldn't you kind of be more concerned about getting a real job?

shouldn't you kind of be more concerned about finding new muscle bears on craigslist?

[Juruth]

shouldn't you kind of be more concerned about finding new muscle bears on craigslist?

Intellect isn't your strong point.

[Necrosis]

Obviously not. Good job Cherry picking everything YOU think wins a pose while omitting everything that does win a pose. Good job pointing out Ronnie's quads because this shows how imbalanced his physique is. Overblown quads sitting on-top of pathetic calves and glutes so oversized they can be seen from the front. Ronnie's balance & proportion sucks , always has. And you can see the sartorius muscle in the back-double-biceps shot? Really?  Ronnie has some clear advantages over Dorian in this pose , however when you do what judges do and assess all of the criteria , muscular bulk , density & dryness , balance & proportion , being complete from head-to-toe. Dorian beats Ronnie and just about anyone else in this pose and many others.

I don't think his balance and proportion suck, quads are suppose to be quite a bit bigger then calves. I mentioned quads, obviously I am talking about your reference to "no calves", he has calves, just not good ones, just like dorians quads or biceps, he has them. You make it sound like he is missing a body part or some shit, obviously because it suits you. I didn't say anything about BDB and satorius, nice strawman, or is a comprehension issue.

Ronnie is more muscular and pleasing to look at, has a smaller structure so carries more muscle obviously. density? how can you see density? lol. Dryness? what criteria are you using to see these things, that is you are using it in an objective manner? is it veins? detail? separation? what are you looking at that you see in dorian that indicates he is denser and dryer?

So dorian having piss poor biceps is not the same as ronnie having piss poor calves? apparently ronnie is incomplete but dorian is complete. Dorian's quads are shit. His vastus intermedius is almost non-existent, his vastus lateralis is underdeveloped. Did you do anatomy before? why are his quads good? i see no separation, poor sweep and clear imbalance with the calves.

Ronnie has shitty abs, he isn't missing them however. So if his abs suck, but his quads are great he could still win the ab and thigh, as he did in the challenge round against DEXTER.

So you calf argument is clearly fucking overblown, which makes sense, since it's all you have.

I can literally see more muscle in ronnie then dorian. In the back double bi, his tri and bi seperation is poor also, his forearms are too big.

[milone79]

nope, 3rd place actually

Nobody ever says anything about Phil's calves?? how come when he flexes them nothing happens??? Look at the sharp defenition in Kai's in comparison...Phil's is just a blob...full of oil I suspect..

[NarcissisticDeity]

I don't think his balance and proportion suck, quads are suppose to be quite a bit bigger then calves. I mentioned quads, obviously I am talking about your reference to "no calves", he has calves, just not good ones, just like dorians quads or biceps, he has them. You make it sound like he is missing a body part or some shit, obviously because it suits you. I didn't say anything about BDB and satorius, nice strawman, or is a comprehension issue.

Ronnie is more muscular and pleasing to look at, has a smaller structure so carries more muscle obviously. density? how can you see density? lol. Dryness? what criteria are you using to see these things, that is you are using it in an objective manner? is it veins? detail? separation? what are you looking at that you see in dorian that indicates he is denser and dryer?

So dorian having piss poor biceps is not the same as ronnie having piss poor calves? apparently ronnie is incomplete but dorian is complete. Dorian's quads are shit. His vastus intermedius is almost non-existent, his vastus lateralis is underdeveloped. Did you do anatomy before? why are his quads good? i see no separation, poor sweep and clear imbalance with the calves.

Ronnie has shitty abs, he isn't missing them however. So if his abs suck, but his quads are great he could still win the ab and thigh, as he did in the challenge round against DEXTER.

So you calf argument is clearly fucking overblown, which makes sense, since it's all you have.

I can literally see more muscle in ronnie then dorian. In the back double bi, his tri and bi seperation is poor also, his forearms are too big.

I don't think his balance and proportion suck, quads are suppose to be quite a bit bigger then calves. I mentioned quads, obviously I am talking about your reference to "no calves", he has calves, just not good ones, just like dorians quads or biceps, he has them. You make it sound like he is missing a body part or some shit, obviously because it suits you. I didn't say anything about BDB and satorius, nice strawman, or is a comprehension issue.

Of you course you don't it shows how much you know. He has NO calves that's not open for discussion ( see picture ) And genius we're talking about the back double biceps shot and you're the moron who brought up the " satorius " which can't be seen in this pose.

Ronnie is more muscular and pleasing to look at, has a smaller structure so carries more muscle obviously. density? how can you see density? lol. Dryness? what criteria are you using to see these things, that is you are using it in an objective manner? is it veins? detail? separation? what are you looking at that you see in dorian that indicates he is denser and dryer?

LMAO more ' pleasing to look at ' fuck off fan-boy and it's not open for discussion who is denser & drier. I would explain it to you but you're not worth the effort and you're to stupid to get it anyway

So dorian having piss poor biceps is not the same as ronnie having piss poor calves? apparently ronnie is incomplete but dorian is complete. Dorian's quads are shit. His vastus intermedius is almost non-existent, his vastus lateralis is underdeveloped. Did you do anatomy before? why are his quads good? i see no separation, poor sweep and clear imbalance with the calves

No , Dorian's biceps are in no way shape or form as much as a liability compared to having no calves , weak biceps can be hidden , shit calves can't , they can be seen from every angle in every pose. his " quads are shit " taking you seriously just ended. Thanks for playing we have some lovely parting gifts for you.......next

Ronnie has shitty abs, he isn't missing them however. So if his abs suck, but his quads are great he could still win the ab and thigh, as he did in the challenge round against DEXTER.

So you calf argument is clearly fucking overblown, which makes sense, since it's all you have.

I can literally see more muscle in ronnie then dorian. In the back double bi, his tri and bi seperation is poor also, his forearms are too big.

Yup none of what you typed has anything to do with the question at hand the back double biceps shot , this has been done ad nausem. I don't care to rehash it. You see what you want I have no desire to change that. They say ignorance is bliss so be happy with what you see 

[Alucard]

Nobody ever says anything about Phil's calves?? how come when he flexes them nothing happens??? Look at the sharp defenition in Kai's in comparison...Phil's is just a blob...full of oil I suspect..

Absolutely, arms and shoulders full of SEO too, but his calves looks like shit oilbags...

[Necrosis]

Of you course you don't it shows how much you know. He has NO calves that's not open for discussion ( see picture ) And genius we're talking about the back double biceps shot and you're the moron who brought up the " satorius " which can't be seen in this pose.

LMAO more ' pleasing to look at ' fuck off fan-boy and it's not open for discussion who is denser & drier. I would explain it to you but you're not worth the effort and you're to stupid to get it anyway
You seem unable to grasp my point, ronnie had calves, his biceps and arms in that pose are as far ahead of dorians as dorians calves are to ronnie's, it's not debatable. I can barely make out his biceps, in the back DOUBLE BICEP, is the name just for fun? Thank you from sparing me the details on how you see density lol. I did not bring up the satorius in the context of the BDB, keep reaching moron. Want me to get the quote or are you done? funny how I mentioned quads yet you seem fine with them despite not being in the same pose, odd, it's like your a moron.

No , Dorian's biceps are in no way shape or form as much as a liability compared to having no calves , weak biceps can be hidden , shit calves can't , they can be seen from every angle in every pose. his " quads are shit " taking you seriously just ended. Thanks for playing we have some lovely parting gifts for you.......next

I cannot see his biceps, have you done anatomy before? Where is the long head of his biceps? I can see ronnies clearly, he has a clear split, this is how a bicep should look optimally, just like a calf should have a medial and lateral head. Face it you follow morons in bodybuilding who think branch warren is worthy of a title with layers of back fat, but he IS DENSE!   . Are you aware of the definition of density? mass per volume, ronnie has more muscle and has a smaller volume of space (smaller structure) hence he should be denser. However, you need to weigh things and make measurements to determine that, you cannot see density accurately, that's retarded.



Yup none of what you typed has anything to do with the question at hand the back double biceps shot , this has been done ad nausem. I don't care to rehash it. You see what you want I have no desire to change that. They say ignorance is bliss so be happy with what you see 

it didn't and i didn't intend it to, you still can't seem to get that. You claimed he has no calves, show me dorians vastus intermedius? show me the long head of his bicep? You are a biased fan boy, logic has gone out the window. You claim to see hardness and density, after such a claim, one can dismiss you are a moron, you are using bb terms that make no fucking sense, at all. It's bodybuilding so morons are expected, fucking homo's using terms that have no fucking meaning. You can only ascertain things visually. To asses density do the judges estimate the volume of a muscle (would need to know bone density etc, as its invisible) based on weight, but isn't it visual, so it's visual weight huh?

You are using shit quality pictures with magic grain to show hardness, magic.