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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2006, 07:31:26 AM »
its called marketting.
look at hair models, just because you wash your hair with you'll like this. when they go out and use what ever their hair stylist gives them.
i have seen guitar players who are signed to amp and guitar deals that don't use those instruments. they'll have that amp on stage but have a rack mount or different head in the back. then they have a guitar made for them then they only use it live because they use something better in the studio.
the list could go on and on, but that is the fact of it no one uses what they endorse, and if they do it's because its free.
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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2006, 09:24:25 AM »
Of course its called Marketing 101.
You think Cher's hair was a result of Revlon Products?
All the Celebrities in the "Got Milk" ads even drink the stuff?
How about Tiger Woods and his Pontiac Endorsement, you think that is the ONLY Car he drives? I am certain he has a few, as do his friends and family members but he does drive other cars.
The testimony has a ring of truth but the vehicle is not his sole means of transportation.
As with products, NO SINGLE Product is responsible for someones success.
There are far too many variables:
Generally, a great Athlete is "Potentially" great before they sign their first endorsement deal right "Reggie Bush, LeBron, Michelle Wie, Kobe, Mike Tyson and so on..........
The Endorsements may help facilitate an athlete getting better and financially enrich their training, preparation focus on their jobs as an athlete which all contribute to getting more from their training and dieting and performance!
Some athletes like M Jordan, actually get involved with the companies they work for and help create better product to enhance performance and sales.
The image of the athlete maybe one of a Marketing Tool, Actual testament for the product by using it BEFORE Signing with a company.
Let's face it, I used to drink Weider Drinks when I started, it wasn't until I actually turned pro that I got a contract.
Were the drinks responsible for me turning Pro? No, but I used them nonetheless and I think they motivated me to get more protein in which helps build more Muscle!
Either way, you have free will.
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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #52 on: January 18, 2006, 09:52:47 AM »
Yeah I won't hold my breath.  Then again Chick "always tells it like it is", maybe he will se me straight

Actually, the one thing Chick seems to say at least once per broadcast (on pro bodybuilding weekly) is "more money for the athletes". I realize that he means more money for the athletes and less of the same available pot to everyone else (i.e. promoters, magazines, supplement companies and the Weiders), but he ought to make that distinction clearer, once in awhile.

As to the ethics of promoting legal, somewhat beneficial products when also using an illegal product that is much, much more effective, I don't think anyone can argue that is the same as promoting shampoo X when you really use shampoo Y, even if shampoo Y is a professional brand. It's more like Cher saying she uses Oil of Olay when she also visits her plastic surgeon three times a year.

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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2006, 09:53:47 AM »
Thanks Shawn, its kinda of weird that today if you walk into a GNC there is not one Weider product there,whereas 10-12 years ago it would have a whole aisle,, I wonder why they let that product die to muscle tech and eas etc...

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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2006, 12:00:23 PM »
Let's face it, I used to drink Weider Drinks . . .

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Weider protein drinks? straight from the tap?  ??? 

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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #55 on: January 18, 2006, 12:22:52 PM »
"supplements are mostly bogus!"

I don't know about that... I got a set of 20's from HotStuff.
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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #56 on: January 18, 2006, 12:35:46 PM »
How do you think these guys pay for their cycles?
Honestly, I would endorse any product if I was being paid to do it.  So would anyone.  Maybe there is like 1% of society that is going to turn money down because they have scruples or whatever...but honestly they are just going to find someone else to advertise their product.

Advertising in general is retarded.  People in IT fields know about IBM servers....but haven't we all seen IBM server commercials on TV?  You think some IT manager is gonna go into work on Monday and tell the CEO to buy IBM servers because he saw a commercial for them on sunday night that was witty?

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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #57 on: January 18, 2006, 12:54:38 PM »
How do you think these guys pay for their cycles?

oh that's just great . . . a bunch of poor good-intentioned naive magazine-readin' teenage kids who are seeking some self improvement are paying for the pros' cycles.  IRONIC, huh?   

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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #58 on: January 18, 2006, 05:52:22 PM »
An excerpt from one of my favorite old magazines, issue 145 of MuscleMag International. It comes from the "News You Can Use, with Greg Zulak" column.

Most supplements are overhyped. After all, how well would supplements sell if the truth were told about them? For instance, suppose a manufacturer ran an ad that said, "Our protein powder has a high P.E.R., tastes good, supplies the body with extra protein and calories in an easily consumable form, and, along with a good diet and hard training, may encourage extra muscle growth." It probably wouldn't sell worth a $%#^, even if it was a very fine product.

But if the ad showed a photograph of a professional bodybuilder in all his glory, along with a testimonial from that pro that his huge muscle size and ripped condition were largely due to the ingestion of this product, supported by fancy charts and graphs indicating the supplement's effectiveness, of course, it would sell like gangbusters.



To a degree, I understand why some people would get upset. Right around the time MET-Rx hit its peak, people were singing the praises of this supplement. I remember the first box I bought, back in the mid-90s, when it cost $63-$75. When I didn't get the awesome gains about which I heard and saw in the mags, I was a bit miffed. However, it wasn't until I read MuscleMag's "Our Way - Probing the Pros" that I finally realized what the deal was.

Among the pros featued in that section of the magazine was Paul DeMayo and Milos Sarcev. DeMayo, who was also contracted with MET-Rx, sang the praises of the popular MRP. However, after further reading, I saw that DeMayo consumed MET-Rx to the tune of.........EIGHT SERVINGS PER DAY.

I did the math. Eight servings of MET-Rx is a cough under/over 300 grams of protein (depending on what flavor you get). No disrespect to the makers of MetaMyosyn, but I came to the realization that taking EIGHT servings of MET-Rx (or any other MRP, for that matter) will likely yield great results.


I couldn't afford to take MET-Rx like that. So, I had to stick to using the one supplement I could afford at that time: weight-gain powder (Mega Mass 2000, in particular). What I did incorporate from DeMayo and Sarcev (who stated that he ingested TEN SERVINGS of MET-Rx per day) was that I should consume more protein.

So, I ended using 30 oz. of Mega Mass powder per day: 3 ten-oz. servings mixed in water, with two consumed between classes and the third guzzled post-workout (I was in college at that time). The pros were endorsing Mega Mass, too. If I'm not mistaken, Nasser El Sonbaty's favorite is "BA-NAAAAA-NA!". That and some homemade shakes worked well for me, as I ended up putting on nearly twice the weight I had planned for that semester.


What MET-Rx did back then, MuscleTech does now. Jeramy Freeman, one of MuscleTech's athletes stated in one ad that he takes 9 servings of NITRO-TECH per day. If a "serving" is one scoop, that's at least 180 grams of protein. So, I don't see that as being deceptive at all. Freeman would likely be consuming tons of protein powder, regardless of who makes it. Since he works for MuscleTech, he uses NITRO-TECH.




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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2006, 05:54:30 PM »
I might be alone on this one but doesn't it seem wrong for a guy on all the gear in the world to endorse a product.  It is bullshit advertising.  Because every 15 yr old kid sees the ad and assumes that the supplement will get them to that size.  Then they eventually find out the truth and stop buying the supplements.  but the industry doesn't care because they are on to the next idiot who is willing to spend 150/month on creatine and ammino.  Just an observation.   

  If there ever were a contest, to find out who can say the most obvious thing, you'd win it, bro. ::)

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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2006, 07:51:58 AM »
Never miss Meals
Reduce Carb Intake
Up my Cario Out put
Take on better Training Partners
Take my Supplements
Prepare All my Meals
Challenge myself every work out
Work toward a Deadline or Contest Date
Clean Up my Diet
Use BBing Drugs[/b]
* Remember, lots of people use Drugs and their bodies look like crap and see no results at all :'(

What a farce! Are you trying to justify your drug use??? These drugs were invented to help the lives of people with wasting deseases among other ailments. Their purpose is to keep or put on lbm in individuals who probably CAN'T exercise, and have diets designed to not likely be vomitted back up.

You say there are those who show little effect because the other facettes in bbing aren't addressed. There are FAR more who don't diet or train well but show DRAMATIC changes with drugs. Sorry to bust your little pink bubble.

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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2006, 08:03:15 AM »
You say there are those who show little effect because the other facettes in bbing aren't addressed. There are FAR more who don't diet or train well but show DRAMATIC changes with drugs.

you're just bitter because you haven't been taking on better training partners
and challenging yourself every workout like Shawn recommends  ;)

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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2016, 01:07:21 PM »
Shawn Ray makes a good point here.
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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #63 on: May 22, 2016, 03:35:57 PM »
Of course its called Marketing 101.
You think Cher's hair was a result of Revlon Products?

Yes.
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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2016, 04:02:21 PM »
Shawn Ray makes a good point here.

He also prolapses a mean mudshark anus, according to getbig sources.
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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2016, 06:05:24 PM »
I'm not sure at what age I realized it, but this entire world is fraud.  Everyone is trying to bullshit you about one thing or another, for one reason or another.

The stench of lies permeates the air.  A giant cloud of bullshit. 

This is why youthful enthusiasm inevitably turns into bitterness and cynicism.  Honesty is a corpse.  Honor is a punchline.

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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #66 on: May 22, 2016, 08:46:33 PM »
Roid heads for young.
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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #67 on: May 23, 2016, 06:15:31 AM »
Bump.

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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #68 on: May 23, 2016, 03:03:12 PM »
on the subject of not realizing that something that you held true was most likely a hoax, I have to add that I just recently (and embarrassingly) just realized something that might be obvious to a lot of men my age

I consider myself pretty worldly/street smart but I just recently realized that when a girl says "I have a boyfriend" that they really might not have a boyfriend


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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #69 on: May 23, 2016, 03:18:09 PM »
I'm not sure at what age I realized it, but this entire world is fraud.  Everyone is trying to bullshit you about one thing or another, for one reason or another.

The stench of lies permeates the air.  A giant cloud of bullshit. 

This is why youthful enthusiasm inevitably turns into bitterness and cynicism.  Honesty is a corpse.  Honor is a punchline.

We really need a range of Getbig merch.  This would make a great T shirt to confuse the masses...

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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #70 on: May 23, 2016, 03:22:49 PM »
We really need a range of Getbig merch.  This would make a great T shirt to confuse the masses...

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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #71 on: May 23, 2016, 03:27:47 PM »
I have the mind of a troll, the cock of a pornstar, and the soul of a poet.

Thank God, because the mind of a troll, the soul of a pornstar, and the cock of a poet doesn't bear thinking about LOL!
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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #72 on: May 23, 2016, 03:30:19 PM »
Thank God, because the mind of a troll, the soul of a pornstar, and the cock of a poet doesn't bear thinking about LOL!

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Re: Being lied to
« Reply #73 on: May 23, 2016, 05:59:14 PM »
If anyone believes they can look like a pro without steroids then they deserved to get scammed. And if you're too young to know any better and thats your biggest dissapoinment in life than consider yourself lucky.

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