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Re: back shot taken for my boy esf
« Reply #125 on: January 15, 2018, 10:02:25 AM »
Glad to hear it.

The wide-grip cable rows are odd. We're used to pulling the bar to the chest/stomach with rows, but the body mechanics make that difficult when you go with a wide overhand grip. At full contaction the bar stops about 6" from my chest. Some can get the bar all the way to the chest. Key is to keep the elbows up as far up in a "T" formation as possible, to keep focus on the rhomboids, so you should feel it the days after between your shoulder-blades.
Yes that was the exact thing, kept instinctively pulling it to the stomach after a few reps and felt weird having to stop so far off the chest, will persevere with it as really need to build this “detail” muscles, years of relying on barbell rows has left with ok size wise but no detail

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Re: back shot taken for my boy esf
« Reply #126 on: January 15, 2018, 12:59:05 PM »
Here ya go, not bad me thinks
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Re: back shot taken for my boy esf
« Reply #127 on: January 15, 2018, 02:10:04 PM »
The choice of exercises don't fuking matter.

Pick some shit up and put it back down.

Be consistent with training, diet and sleep and you'll grow. It just takes time.

Fuking hell.

Yea, it does matter.

Look at a rear double bicep pose, you have;

- the traps from the base of the skull spreading out to the shoulders and down to the middle of the back

- you have the rhomboids in the middle of the back between the shoulder blades

- you have the teres major and teres minor on top of the shoulderblades

- also on top of the shoulder blades you have the infraspinatus

- at the shoulder joint you have the posterior deltoids

- under the armpit down to the waist you have the latissimus dorsi

- and at the bottom you have the spinal Erectors

You can't expect to just do a few sets of chins and a few sets of barbell rows and develop a complete and separated "back".

Like I stated earlier, the muscles most people mistake for "lats", whether it's in a pose such as back-dbl-biceps, or its just standing relaxed in line at the grocery store, usually arnt "lats" at all... It's the other upper-back muscles such as the teres-group and it's not the traps that give the thick midback appearance; its the rhomboids.

Just like training the triceps, if you want complete development, it's beneficial to hit the muscle group from different angles. Sure you can train triceps with just pushdowns, however if you want to have a more complete "look", it helps to include overhead extensions to place the lateral(outside) head in a weak position to contract, thus Shifting the workload to the long (back) head, which accounts for the majority of arm overall arm size... and doing pushdowns with the upper arms parallel to the Torso in order to place the long head in a weak position to contract, does shifting work load towards the lateral outside head... and a movement somewhere in the middle such as with conventional skullcrushers where the upper arm is perpendicular to the Torso, which involves more of the medial head.

*side note; instead of doing skullcrushers lying flat, you can also mimic the movement using a high cable, weaning your torso forward about 70 degrees and instead of doing the push down with the upper arms parallel with torso and elbows tucked into your sides, you can move your elbows out and in front of your body and pressing the cable attachment "out". Mimicking the same arm position and movement as a skull crusher on a flat bench accept your ass doing it with a cable. Doing this you maintain tension at the fully-contracted position, whereas doing a conventional Skullcrusher with the barbell laying flat on a bench, there is no tension at the top of the movement at full contraction.

No comma with is tricep exercises doing an overhead extension will not eliminate the lateral head from Contracting just like doing a push down and won't eliminate the long head from Contracting... Same as true with back exercises. Doing a close reverse grip pulldown will not eliminate the teres-muscles from Contracting, and doing a medium overhand-grip won't you lemonade the lats from Contracting.

Some of us study this daily and have tested these theories daily, on not only themselves, but on hundreds of clients for years if not decades.

Contrast that with the opinions of guys who have formed their opinions based on magazine articles, training only themselves or perhaps a few friends.

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Re: back shot taken for my boy esf
« Reply #128 on: January 15, 2018, 03:19:47 PM »
I still think your basic heavy back movements should have enough spill over for the whole back if not fix the lagging area.  What do you guys think of pullover and presses I been thinking about trying them some people swear by them. I will say this if you have access to a Nautilus type pullover machine they are great

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Re: back shot taken for my boy esf
« Reply #129 on: January 15, 2018, 03:31:59 PM »
Just started back to bench press Blakely style so my pecs will respond very nicely

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Re: back shot taken for my boy esf
« Reply #130 on: January 15, 2018, 03:36:38 PM »
I still think your basic heavy back movements should have enough spill over for the whole back if not fix the lagging area.  What do you guys think of pullover and presses I been thinking about trying them some people swear by them. I will say this if you have access to a Nautilus type pullover machine they are great

Pullover machines, be it Nautilus or Hammer Strength or Cubed or whatever, work well for certain body's and not so well for others. Torso length and arm length play a role. Personally I prefer str8 arm cable pulldowns and can feel a better contraction. Ill use db pullover for chest, where I won't let the db come back to far over my face maybe to just past my forehead and then "catch" it by contracting my chest and bring it back to where the centerline of the db passes over 90° over my neck area. Also using a straight with a wider-than shoulder width grip going as far back as possible and back up over eye or forehead-level to keep tension on the lats.

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Re: back shot taken for my boy esf
« Reply #131 on: January 15, 2018, 04:27:16 PM »
Compare the backs of Charles glasses clients to somebody like branch warren, kovacs, or even king kamali.. Or other "powerbuilders".

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Re: back shot taken for my boy esf
« Reply #132 on: January 15, 2018, 05:35:02 PM »
The pullover machine can be used very heavy it's a good compound emovement like rows or bench pressing

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Re: back shot taken for my boy esf
« Reply #133 on: January 15, 2018, 05:37:14 PM »
I feel where you guys are coming from just 2 different styles of training. They both work I just like the old ways because I can't always get to a great gym

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Re: back shot taken for my boy esf
« Reply #134 on: January 15, 2018, 10:47:04 PM »
doing a medium overhand-grip won't you lemonade the lats from Contracting.

My brain is full of useless weightlifting trivia, but I never heard of lemonading the lats, lol.

Here's a serious question: which single tricep dumbbell movement would you prescribe to compliment close grip bench if someone's goals were bench specialist/strength focused?
I recently saw a video with Jon Meadows doing some sort of cross over tricep move where he brought the dumbbell over to the opposite shoulder/ear called "L-extensions"?


Looked more joint friendly than many other tricep moves I've seen know anything about these?

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Re: back shot taken for my boy esf
« Reply #135 on: January 16, 2018, 12:31:35 AM »
My brain is full of useless weightlifting trivia, but I never heard of lemonading the lats, lol.

Here's a serious question: which single tricep dumbbell movement would you prescribe to compliment close grip bench if someone's goals were bench specialist/strength focused?
I recently saw a video with Jon Meadows doing some sort of cross over tricep move where he brought the dumbbell over to the opposite shoulder/ear called "L-extensions"?


Looked more joint friendly than many other tricep moves I've seen know anything about these?

Laughed out loud seeing that.

Reading your question my answer is going to be the same exercise you described in the John Meadows video

Louie Simmons has guys do a lying extension with a kettlebell. I actually like doing tricep work with kettlebells. Can do it with an open grip and focus more of feeling triceps contract.

Instructing hours and hours of boot camp each week i found kbs are useful for 1arm curls and lateral raises as well. The balance feels better than a db and easy to grab