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Author Topic: Just to put things into perspective (and to dispell the hype..)  (Read 2406 times)
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« on: October 08, 2006, 04:42:26 PM »








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all the hype about Jay's back is unwarranted.

Just because he won does not mean his back is anything more than mediocre.

sorry if the Jay fans don't like it, but thats the truth.


good - people have started a million bash ronnie threads - now I counter with a bash Jay thread Cool
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2006, 04:44:41 PM »

Bannout had the first Xmas tree back I had ever seen.  Very inspiring to me at the time.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2006, 04:51:23 PM »

Samir had a body which must be along the lines of the masculine ideal.

I like Benfatto as well when you talk "masculine ideal".
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2006, 04:52:54 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2006, 04:55:54 PM »

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As for Jay, his back deserves credit for size, not so much for conditioning or detail.
and thus the reason it is not fantastic, despite all the hype on this board.
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2006, 04:57:08 PM »

and thus the reason it is not fantastic, despite all the hype on this board.


but at the end of the day Jay's back was good enough to beat Ronnie........


 Undecided

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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2006, 05:01:33 PM »


but at the end of the day Jay's back was good enough to beat Ronnie........


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that's what its all about
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2006, 05:04:52 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2006, 05:10:54 PM »

Sad

show me a better back double bi than Jay's in that pic.
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2006, 07:21:17 PM »

jay's back has improved very much over the past few years.

but its not in the same league as yates, coleman, and haney.

however, jay is JUST entering his prime.

time will tell.

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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2006, 07:41:17 PM »

As for Jay, his back deserves credit for size, not so much for conditioning or detail.

Truth.
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2006, 07:50:21 PM »

not too shabby....


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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2006, 07:56:58 PM »

back in the day, they didnt test as hard for diuretics hulkster.  plenty of people paid the price too.
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2006, 08:22:54 PM »

83 a good year for the IFBB judges they got one right at the Olympia.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2006, 08:27:18 PM »

YEP.
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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2006, 08:41:02 PM »

Jay's back has made serious improvement over the last couple of seasons.  He made a tremendous improvement last year in his upper middle back, and this year his condition was probably the best of his life, considering the amount of muscle hanging off his bones.  You've got to give him props for that.  But look at what it took to beat Ronnie - not only did Jay bring the ultimate package, but Ronnie was fucked up.  Whatever his injury, it has seriously affected his physique and probably, to some degree, his ability to train.  His mission to come in at 300 pounds didn't help matters. Ronnie was not at his best in 06, Jay was, and he stayed there in Europe.  Case closed.  Jay's back is awesome, but it is not up there with the pics posted here.  You even have to give it up for Shawn for that amazing condition he brought in 93 - 94 - truly astonishing.  Some one should have posted a shot of Rich Gaspari too.  He started the shredded glute wars and his low back was rung in for the holidays. 

I'm glad this thread was put up.  It definitely does put things into perspective.  That said, I'm still going with the Coleman backs of 98, 99, 03 and 04 as the best in history.
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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2006, 03:18:03 AM »

I like Benfatto as well when you talk "masculine ideal".

Labrada too.
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2006, 03:23:23 AM »

show me a better back double bi than Jay's in that pic.

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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2006, 03:30:16 AM »

This guy was as wide as tall:






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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2006, 03:35:48 AM »

"Anything more than mediocre"? That back is far from mediocre. Granted, I'd agree that the others you've grouped him with in OP are a touch more impressive, but that second pic is perfectly-framed proof that he can hang with that pack nicely, if off to the side a tad.
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2006, 05:30:36 AM »

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I'm glad this thread was put up.  It definitely does put things into perspective

thanks, I love bringing getbiggers back to reality Cool

Its like all of a sudden people like Slayer are proclaming Jays back to be fantastic, amazing, best ever etc.

and I was like, WTF?

He has a LONG way to go before he gets anywhere near that...

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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2006, 10:02:15 AM »

thanks, I love bringing getbiggers back to reality Cool

Its like all of a sudden people like Slayer are proclaming Jays back to be fantastic, amazing, best ever etc.

and I was like, WTF?

He has a LONG way to go before he gets anywhere near that...


dude what more do you want your poster boy get beaten 4 times in a row this year..wat a shame dude..pathetic..jays back made rons look like nothing..
JAY IS MR OLYMPIA NOW NOT RONNIE..SO STOP LICKING HIS FAT ASS...MOVE ON AND ACCEPT THE FACT THAT JAY BEAT RONNIE FAIR AND SQUARE!!!!!!WHATCHA GONNA DO BIATICH
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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2006, 11:35:54 AM »

I'm telling you......


todays Pro's are no where near the conditioning of the Pro's in the 90's.


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