One in 10 Indonesia Muslims back violent jihad-poll

[Nordic Superman]

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/CrisesArticle.aspx?storyId=JAK144283&WTmodLoc=World-R5-Alertnet-5

A little mathematics:

"with 220 million people, 85 percent of whom follow Islam"

85% of 220,000,000 = 187,000,000

Now, 10% of these people polled back violent jihad, so that's:
10% of 187,000,000 = 18,700,000

Of course this is going off a poll of only around 1000 people, but lets be realistic here, a lot of people would secretely hold support of violent jihad, but not give this view due to many reasons.

240, Camel Jockey, Fagmo and Co. has this woken you up yet?

You idiots like to talk shit about "you can't judge all muslims because of the views of only thousands of extremists."

Ok yeah guys, keep being naive and believeing it's only thousands, when in reality it's magnitudes higher...

Wake up call folks! Don't be lazy, take note!

[OzmO]

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/CrisesArticle.aspx?storyId=JAK144283&WTmodLoc=World-R5-Alertnet-5

A little mathematics:

"with 220 million people, 85 percent of whom follow Islam"

85% of 220,000,000 = 187,000,000

Now, 10% of these people polled back violent jihad, so that's:
10% of 187,000,000 = 18,700,000

Of course this is going off a poll of only around 1000 people, but lets be realistic here, a lot of people would secretely hold support of violent jihad, but not give this view due to many reasons.

240, Camel Jockey, Fagmo and Co. has this woken you up yet?

You idiots like to talk shit about "you can't judge all muslims because of the views of only thousands of extremists."

Ok yeah guys, keep being naive and believeing it's only thousands, when in reality it's magnitudes higher...

Wake up call folks! Don't be lazy, take note!

I never said a thousand extremist or even thought it,  i always knew it was in the millioins,  but doesn't that poll indicate 90% don't back a violent jihad?

[Nordic Superman]

I never said a thousand extremist or even thought i knew it was always in the millioins,  but doesn't that poll indicate 90% don't back a violent jihad?

I've already covered that point, IMO most people wouldn't actually come out and say they accepted violent jihad even tho they secretly may back it (jihad).

I honestly believe 10% is a very reserved proportion. You can argue on this point all night long brother, neither of us can be declared difinitively correct.

But think about this, when travelling to indonesia, 1 out of each 10 people you meet believes this... quite substantial and frightening thaught IMO...

But of course, you will play this down, as I am an alarmist afterall, and everything that comes from my mouth is bullshit

BTW... have you ever been out of the US?

[240 is Back]

A little mathematics:

"with 220 million people, 85 percent of whom follow Islam"

85% of 220,000,000 = 187,000,000

Now, 10% of these people polled back violent jihad, so that's:
10% of 187,000,000 = 18,700,000

Of course this is going off a poll of only around 1000 people, but lets be realistic here, a lot of people would secretely hold support of violent jihad, but not give this view due to many reasons.

240, Camel Jockey, Fagmo and Co. has this woken you up yet?

You idiots like to talk shit about "you can't judge all muslims because of the views of only thousands of extremists."

Ok yeah guys, keep being naive and believeing it's only thousands, when in reality it's magnitudes higher...

Nordy,

I don't care much for people from that region and I don't think they care much for me.  however, I have a live and let live attitude.

10% of them back violent jihad - I thought it would be higher actually.  And I betcha that AT LEAST 10% of Americans support us taking over most countries in that region because we hate those fuckers.  People in both countries hate each other.  That's okay.  As long as they don't ACT ON IT

You cannot judge a person or group by their opinions.  I could give a rats ass if 95% of them supported violent jihad, or if 95% of Americans supported turning saudi/iran/syria into a parking lot.  INTENT does not matter.  Action is what matters.

Now, if 10% of those fuckers were blowing shit up, that would be a problem.  Much like if 10% of our population was torching mosques in NYC in their freetime.  But "backing" a particular ideal is just an opinion, and you know what people say about opinions.



until they act, they're just a few million pricks whose opinions are different than mine.  maybe we can't stand em... but you can't kill someone because of what they might dream of doing.

[Nordic Superman]

You cannot judge a person or group by their opinions.

Hahaha wtf? I judge people everyday based on their opinions

Not a bad reply tho I guess, but in essence, you're basically saying "wait till the problem gets big enough for it to effect my life".

Prevention is better than cure brother!

[OzmO]

I've already covered that point, IMO most people wouldn't actually come out and say they accepted violent jihad even tho they secretly may back it (jihad).

I honestly believe 10% is a very reserved proportion. You can argue on this point all night long brother, neither of us can be declared difinitively correct.

But think about this, when travelling to indonesia, 1 out of each 10 people you meet believes this... quite substantial and frightening thaught IMO...

But of course, you will play this down, as I am an alarmist afterall, and everything that comes from my mouth is bullshit

BTW... have you ever been out of the US?

9 years outside the US.  How about you?  How much time outside England?

BTW  i'm not argueing 10%.  I only made the point aboutg the 90%   Of course you believe it's more then 10% becuase you are an alarmist and probably think the people polled had to sing their name and show their ID's when they took it.

And it's not that i think everything you say is BS.  I just question the way you interpret it.  Your freaking out about 10% and i would have guess 15 or 20 and still would have changed my view about it. 

Because i don't respond to the media's and government's subtle scare propaganda as you most certainly do.   I use some common sense.

Yes, there are millions of Islamic radicals who would like nothing more than to kill us.  but there are also by your calculations that you posted 169 million who wouldn't.   OPEN  YOU EYES SPANKY.

[240 is Back]

Hahaha wtf? I judge people everyday based on their opinions

Judging them is fine.  Killing them for their opinions is wrong.

Not a bad reply tho I guess, but in essence, you're basically saying "wait till the problem gets big enough for it to effect my life".

No.  I believe that we should have all 140,000 US troops who are in Iraq back home.  Put the dumb half to work securing our borders, and the smart half to work solving the ethanol fuel problem.  Brazil is completely independent.  There is no reason the US shouldn't be.

I also believe I'm not ignoring any problem.  If those fuckers wanna pick up a gun and point it at us, I say cook em.  But if they're sitting in their shitty homes hatin' on us, I could give a rat's ass.  99% of em are too poor to ever afford a plane ticket to the US and have goldfish memory, right?  We leave and they'll be hating on Israel again in about 3 minutes.  Screw the middle east   We ignore about 99% of what happens in Africa - we should be at least that ignorant of middle east.  We're just poking their ribs cause they have oil.  There's no other reason for us to be there. 

Prevention is better than cure brother!

Within the law.
let's say there are shady people on my block.  Most would love to rob my ass for my Rolex and wallet.  that doesn't mean I can pre-emptively shoot them as I walk my poodle in the AM.   Because only 5% of them will actually square up on me.  When they do, I'll cap their broke asses then enjoy a nice lunch.  But, for the other 95% of them, I just have to tolerate their hatin' because I share a world with them, and they haven't committed any offenses justifying my capping their asses.

[Camel Jockey]

You just single handedly said the majority of muslims don't want a violent jihad. 
Thanks, brother. 

[OzmO]

yeah, what's funny is that he can't even see that...........

[Nordic Superman]

You just single handedly said the majority of muslims don't want a violent jihad. 
Thanks, brother. 

Well... people are people, and they do have some morals.

But the koran and islam do teach jihad is every muslims duty -  FACT. The majority just don't act up it.

[Nordic Superman]

9 years outside the US.  How about you?  How much time outside England?

Many countries i've stayed in: Australia, Germany and most recently the US, soon to be Aussie land again.

[haider]

WHATS UP BROTHER!! KILLED ANY MUZIES TODAY YOU CRAZY SON OF A BITCH?!!

[Camel Jockey]

Well... people are people, and they do have some morals.

But the koran and islam do teach jihad is every muslims duty -  FACT. The majority just don't act up it.

Another point you made for me, you are on a role, bother! If you come to the US again, then you and I should have a few beers.

[Hedgehog]

This poll shows that there are 90% who doesn't back a violent jihad.

And this is in a region where Islam has been involved in quite some political turmoil.

This goes to show that people in general are decent. It's only with mad leadership they will be turned into senseless drones.

YIP
Zack

[jwb]

2 friends of mine were killed by muslims extremists in bali, indonesia...

[Nordic Superman]

2 friends of mine were killed by muslims extremists in bali, indonesia...

My condolences buddy

If God exists those fucking cowards will rot in hell!

WHATS UP BROTHER!! KILLED ANY MUZIES TODAY YOU CRAZY SON OF A BITCH?!!

M E L T D O W N

[rccs]

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/CrisesArticle.aspx?storyId=JAK144283&WTmodLoc=World-R5-Alertnet-5

A little mathematics:

"with 220 million people, 85 percent of whom follow Islam"

85% of 220,000,000 = 187,000,000

Now, 10% of these people polled back violent jihad, so that's:
10% of 187,000,000 = 18,700,000

Of course this is going off a poll of only around 1000 people, but lets be realistic here, a lot of people would secretely hold support of violent jihad, but not give this view due to many reasons.

240, Camel Jockey, Fagmo and Co. has this woken you up yet?

You idiots like to talk shit about "you can't judge all muslims because of the views of only thousands of extremists."

Ok yeah guys, keep being naive and believeing it's only thousands, when in reality it's magnitudes higher...

Wake up call folks! Don't be lazy, take note!

I understand you and suport Nordic Superman! It is easier to be a politically correct sheep, than a true and pure wolf that wants to survive! I don't understand how can someone defend terrorist nations and defend people that uses religion as a tool to provoque wars! We will all hear the call very soon! All the brothers will unite strengths to defeat terror!!! 

[240 is Back]

I understand you and suport Nordic Superman! It is easier to be a politically correct sheep, than a true and pure wolf that wants to survive! I don't understand how can someone defend terrorist nations and defend people that uses religion as a tool to provoque wars! We will all hear the call very soon! All the brothers will unite strengths to defeat terror!!! 

Who do you think kept all the fighter jets at Andrews Air Force base on the runway on 911?

Was that Jihadists?

[OzmO]

Who do you think kept all the fighter jets at Andrews Air Force base on the runway on 911?

Was that Jihadists?

FOUL!  stop trying to hiJAck this thread again.

[OzmO]

I understand you and suport Nordic Superman! It is easier to be a politically correct sheep, than a true and pure wolf that wants to survive! I don't understand how can someone defend terrorist nations and defend people that uses religion as a tool to provoque wars! We will all hear the call very soon! All the brothers will unite strengths to defeat terror!!! 

It's not about being PC....it's about looking at the data objectively.  Pointing out poor interpretation is not defending a nation that has influential terrorist elements in it.  Like in this example where NS, makes a BIG point about the 10% of the people who support a Jihad and fails to see 90% don't.  167 million vs. 18.7 million. 

Now an Alarmist would say I'm down grading the threat.  Absolutly not.  I'm only pointing out you can't condem an entire people or faith based on 10% of their population.

Look at it this way:  18 million is something to get alarmed over and do something about but not to the point i lump the other 167 milion in it and condem an entire faith

[Diesel1]

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/CrisesArticle.aspx?storyId=JAK144283&WTmodLoc=World-R5-Alertnet-5

A little mathematics:

"with 220 million people, 85 percent of whom follow Islam"

85% of 220,000,000 = 187,000,000

Now, 10% of these people polled back violent jihad, so that's:
10% of 187,000,000 = 18,700,000

Of course this is going off a poll of only around 1000 people, but lets be realistic here, a lot of people would secretely hold support of violent jihad, but not give this view due to many reasons.

240, Camel Jockey, Fagmo and Co. has this woken you up yet?

You idiots like to talk shit about "you can't judge all muslims because of the views of only thousands of extremists."

Ok yeah guys, keep being naive and believeing it's only thousands, when in reality it's magnitudes higher...

Wake up call folks! Don't be lazy, take note!

Interesting. In a poll I just conducted 10/10 brits want muslims to pack their bags and fuck off

[a_joker10]

Nordic,
I like your gusto, but I think you are wrong.

The object isn't to kill all Muslims, it is to try to get the 90% to become secular, like Christians in the west. When the secularists out number the radicals, then the base for Radicalism will be cut off.
There are some very radical chrisitans out there but I wouldn't put there number past 10% either. The Secular christians and atheist keep them in line.

When the radicals have some thing to lose by War, then War would be a very unlikely outcome.
Poor, disenfrachised, desperate youth will always be willing to sign up for radicalism. You see it in the West with all groups. But in these poor countries these groups of youths are 90% of the population instead of 10% like the west.

Your brits caused your own troubles. Your country let in some of the most militant Muslims to preach at their mosques. These dudes were so bad, they were kicked out of places Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. Now you pay the price of rising Muslim violence. Tell your law makers to kick, those that espose hate, out of your country.

[Clubber Lang]

how many out of 10 USAssholes back the war in iraq ?? (which killed 2000 civilians last month alone)

its the same shit, weather its done under the pretense of c0cksucker allah or the "war on terror"

[a_joker10]

Iraqis killing Iraqis

Its freedom baby.

[240 is Back]

Iraqis killing Iraqis

Its freedom baby.

Seriously, I don't know why it's any of our business.  This same thing happens in other countries everyday and the US could care less.  I betcha sadaam killed a lot less people annually than is happening now.  Turn this shit over to the UN.