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natural bodybuilding, truly dead or dying?!
« on: October 24, 2006, 09:57:09 AM »
everyone talks about how pro bb is dying or in a state of flux and denial. show attendance down, no tv coverage, etcetera. but what about natural bodybuilding! truly that is dying even more so i think.

at least you still have all the bb mags with pros on the cover, even though no tv coverage, the mr. o is still usually ( except this year) available for pay per view, the best pros still get their endorsements, pros still make money selling dvd's and videos, and yes, a few of them have tiny bits in movies, plus the Arnold is a huge hit every year especially the expo with the fans.

what can be said about the natural bodybuilding scene though! when's the last time you saw a natural bb on any mag cover except perhaps the small read new magazine REPS, they show don't natural shows on tv either anymore,  no natural bb fitness shows on espn  like flex appeal, co-ed training,etc. anymore  and the most well known shows musclemania still are done around the world with the world championship in hollywood, but it's lost it's buzz factor.

you have/had the 3 probably most well known natural bodybuilders in the world, bill davey,mike o'hearn and clark bartram, all retired from competition, haven't been on a magazine cover in like forever. davey and bartram seem to be content to train and own gyms in almost like their careers have gone backward in that  that is what they were doing before their competition, modeling, tv show days. and o'hearn is content to start his line of gyms plus to do other outside bb business and do the occassional bad B movie.

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Re: natural bodybuilding, truly dead or dying?!
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2006, 10:46:05 AM »
Dead......... next!

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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2006, 10:47:21 AM »
There is no such thing as natural bodybuilders that have ever been on the cover of a legit BB magazine (excluding g/f/p).  "Natural" as defined in the last ten years means more like less than 1g/wk total of sauce which now appears to not be enough to have a "natural" on a BB magazine cover.  The true naturals are either fat as hell or on a good day 200lbs which nobody cares to look at in a magazine when they can see it in their mirror as they scarf down $1,500/month of supplements.  hope this helps...

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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2006, 11:11:37 AM »
Must be very different in the US.In the UK natural bodybuilding is really on the up.There are most competitors and larger crowds.The standards are getting higher and higher and natural bodybuilding is getting lots of magazine coverage including front cover shots on the only true UK independent magazines The Beef and Health and Strength.UK bodybuilders are doing fantastically well on the world stage also-look out for Jon Harris and Cheryl Myers in the WNBF Pro Worlds in New York in 3 weeks and the very strong British Team,including twice world champ,Rob Hope doing the PNBA? Worlds in California.The NPA will also be sending a very strong team to the UIBBN Worlds in Italy including the freaky Andrew Merrifield.Watch out-the Brits are coming 8)   

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Re: natural bodybuilding, truly dead or dying?!
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2006, 01:52:57 PM »
Must be very different in the US.In the UK natural bodybuilding is really on the up.There are most competitors and larger crowds.The standards are getting higher and higher and natural bodybuilding is getting lots of magazine coverage including front cover shots on the only true UK independent magazines The Beef and Health and Strength.UK bodybuilders are doing fantastically well on the world stage also-look out for Jon Harris and Cheryl Myers in the WNBF Pro Worlds in New York in 3 weeks and the very strong British Team,including twice world champ,Rob Hope doing the PNBA? Worlds in California.The NPA will also be sending a very strong team to the UIBBN Worlds in Italy including the freaky Andrew Merrifield.Watch out-the Brits are coming 8)   

Define natural bodybuilder? I know only so called "natural" BB:ers, guys who didn't get caught in tests, but who uses all chemical help they can get. I bet it is just same all over the world, so what's a big deal? You can't trust their word about it, so you should test them, but you cant do that, because it is too easy to fool those tests. There isn't ever going to be enough money to do fool proof test for all competitors, so what else is new? I am sorry if I brake your illusion about the new breed of natural bodybuilders, but there isn't such thing...

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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2006, 02:00:33 PM »
natural bodybuilding, truly dead or dying?!

It's been dead for years, Thomas.

Everyone now belongs to the darkside....





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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2006, 02:06:22 PM »
It's been dead for years, Thomas.

Everyone now belongs to the darkside....

That's why it's the "darkside" cause these "natural" homos are in the closet!!!  Take a look at Melvin Anthony...musclemania competitor "natural" all of sudden goes pro on the "sauce" and only puts on 15-20lbs to get his procard?  Come on that's a fuggin joke!  With those type of "natural" genetics he would of put on probably 80lbs on the juice (ok, not that much but you get the point)!  So "natural" means naturally good at lying!  hope this helps...





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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2006, 02:22:19 PM »
Define natural bodybuilder? I know only so called "natural" BB:ers, guys who didn't get caught in tests, but who uses all chemical help they can get. I bet it is just same all over the world, so what's a big deal? You can't trust their word about it, so you should test them, but you cant do that, because it is too easy to fool those tests. There isn't ever going to be enough money to do fool proof test for all competitors, so what else is new? I am sorry if I brake your illusion about the new breed of natural bodybuilders, but there isn't such thing...

^Concur.

Everyone who can break the rules is going to, tested or not.

Even those who claimed "natural" back in the day were probably not natural.




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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2006, 02:29:03 PM »
I think natural bodybuilding is the only kind of bodybuilding with a real future TBH.

That British dude that someone posted a pic of, and others, those are not immediate targets for legal actions.

I think other countries are going to follow the example of Hungary, where testing positive with steroids will get you into prison. The situation is very different from the 70's and the 80's.

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2006, 02:32:42 PM »
I think other countries are going to follow the example of Hungary, where testing positive with steroids will get you into prison. The situation is very different from the 70's and the 80's.

I think you're delusional if you really believe this, Zachariah.

Most civilized countries won't go to those extremes.

Only the third world countries......




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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2006, 02:35:53 PM »
There is no such thing as natural bodybuilders that have ever been on the cover of a legit BB magazine (excluding g/f/p).

Well I've been on the cover of a not g/f/p BB magazine  :P

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2006, 02:43:10 PM »
I think you're delusional if you really believe this, Zachariah.

Most civilized countries won't go to those extremes.

Only the third world countries......




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Hungary is a civilized country, and they did it.

A lot of other countries are getting tougher legislations in regards to steroids.

In fact, no countries are getting more liberal as far as steroids goes.

If you cannot acknowledge the fact that there is globally a united effort to target steroid use, then you are not in touch with reality IMO.

Sure, there are still countries where steroids are legal and can be traded from without any problems.

The legal situation is clear though: There are tougher legislation against steroids worldwide today than 10 years ago.

Some call it witch hunt, others use the word crusade. Whatever you want to call it, I believe it will continue.

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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2006, 02:50:00 PM »
Hungary is a civilized country, and they did it.

A lot of other countries are getting tougher legislations in regards to steroids.

In fact, no countries are getting more liberal as far as steroids goes.

If you cannot acknowledge the fact that there is globally a united effort to target steroid use, then you are not in touch with reality IMO.

Sure, there are still countries where steroids are legal and can be traded from without any problems.

The legal situation is clear though: There are tougher legislation against steroids worldwide today than 10 years ago.

Some call it witch hunt, others use the word crusade. Whatever you want to call it, I believe it will continue.

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Zachariah,

When I was deployed to Bosnia, we traveled through Hungary.....

If that's a civilized country, what is your definition of a third world country?

Throwing people in prison for testing positive won't happen here.....or in North America for that matter.




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Re: natural bodybuilding, truly dead or dying?!
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2006, 03:15:09 PM »
Zachariah,

When I was deployed to Bosnia, we traveled through Hungary.....

If that's a civilized country, what is your definition of a third world country?

Throwing people in prison for testing positive won't happen here.....or in North America for that matter.




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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2006, 03:25:56 PM »
Zachariah,

When I was deployed to Bosnia, we traveled through Hungary.....

If that's a civilized country, what is your definition of a third world country?

Throwing people in prison for testing positive won't happen here.....or in North America for that matter.




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I don't know when you visited Hungary. By claiming it is a third world country, you come across as ignorant.

Hungary may have economic problems, and it's definitely not on par with old members of the EU. No third world country could ever become a member of the EU.


It's not by definition a third world country. If you believe that, you have your definitions all wrong.

Somalia is a good example of third world country.

Hungary, while poor in some instances, is not.

When did you visit Hungary?

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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2006, 03:28:54 PM »
I don't know when you visited Hungary. By claiming it is a third world country, you come across as ignorant.

Hungary may have economic problems, and it's definitely not on par with old members of the EU. No third world country could ever become a member of the EU.


It's not by definition a third world country. If you believe that, you have your definitions all wrong.

Somalia is a good example of third world country.

Hungary, while poor in some instances, is not.

When did you visit Hungary?

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'98 with the 3rdAD out of Germany....

It was poor, it was desolate and it was rural.

It was what I assume all third world countries appear to be.

People begging, women nursing, children playing.....

All in all, a country like that would probably throw people in prison for testing positive, but that shit won't happen here.

Considering how many people use AAS, that would mean more prisons would need to be built.


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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2006, 03:31:11 PM »
I don't know when you visited Hungary. By claiming it is a third world country, you come across as ignorant.

Hungary may have economic problems, and it's definitely not on par with old members of the EU. No third world country could ever become a member of the EU.


It's not by definition a third world country. If you believe that, you have your definitions all wrong.

Somalia is a good example of third world country.

Hungary, while poor in some instances, is not.

When did you visit Hungary?

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Hungary...never been there but doubt it's third-world.

I've been to Somalia & Mexico......right there are two third world countries.

If they urinate in the streets, eat their pets, & sell their daughters for money.....thats a third world country.

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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2006, 03:34:27 PM »
Hungary...never been there but doubt it's third-world.

I've been to Somalia & Mexico......right there are two third world countries.

If they urinate in the streets, eat their pets, & sell their daughters for money.....thats a third world country.

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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2006, 03:36:05 PM »
Hungary...never been there but doubt it's third-world.

I've been to Somalia & Mexico......right there are two third world countries.

If they urinate in the streets, eat their pets, & sell their daughters for money.....thats a third world country.

 ;)

How the hell does Mexico stay such a shit hole when Canada and the USA prospered?
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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2006, 03:36:33 PM »
Hungary...never been there but doubt it's third-world.

I've been to Somalia & Mexico......right there are two third world countries.

If they urinate in the streets, eat their pets, & sell their daughters for money.....thats a third world country.

 ;)

Hungary isn't much different than Bosnia in terms of the standard of living.

I saw many of the same things in both places.

How the hell does Mexico stay such a shit hole when Canada and the USA prospered?

Mexico is run by corruption.  There is no middle class there.  Just rich and poor.  Only the rich are super rich and the poor are dirt poor.  Politicians don't run Mexico....the mafia does.  It's only a shithole if you can't afford to live in the upscale parts of the country.



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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2006, 03:40:22 PM »
I think natural bodybuilding is the only kind of bodybuilding with a real future TBH.

That British dude that someone posted a pic of, and others, those are not immediate targets for legal actions.

I think other countries are going to follow the example of Hungary, where testing positive with steroids will get you into prison. The situation is very different from the 70's and the 80's.

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I think that the use of these drugs will come under more intense scrutiny in the next 5 to 10 years. Eventually there will be a tipping point where people start to die  or get very sickfrom them in the strength/bodybuilding/wrestling fields and it will draw unwanted attention to these sports from government agencies.
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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2006, 03:40:45 PM »
How the hell does Mexico stay such a shit hole when Canada and the USA prospered?

Honestly...I think it's in their culture to live this way.  

Here in California....the biggest fear of home owners is a Mexican family moving into your block.  The first thing they do is move in about 2-3 families under one roof.  Then they decide to kill all their grass by not watering it.  Because  they believe in having a zillion kids, they all play in the streets & throw their garbage all over the place instead of trash cans because they know someone (or the wind) will remove it.

They they eventually move in all of their friends & remaining families somewhere on the block so they can have fiestas every sunday.

Before you know it.....

it's a Mexican ghetto with broken beer bottles everywhere & every fence is tagged.


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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2006, 03:41:59 PM »
Honestly...I think it's in their culture to live this way. 

Here in California....the biggest fear of home owners is a Mexican family moving into your block.  The first thing they do is move in about 2-3 families under one roof.  Then they decide to kill all their grass by not watering it.  Because  they believe in having a zillion kids, they all play in the streets & throw their garbage all over the place instead of trash cans because they know someone (or the wind) will remove it.

They they eventually move in all of their friends & remaining families somewhere on the block so they can have fiestas every sunday.

Before you know it.....

it's a Mexican ghetto with broken beer bottles everywhere & every fence is tagged.



They have 5 junk cars on their lawns too?
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2006, 03:43:04 PM »
Honestly...I think it's in their culture to live this way.  

Here in California....the biggest fear of home owners is a Mexican family moving into your block.  The first thing they do is move in about 2-3 families under one roof.  Then they decide to kill all their grass by not watering it.  Because  they believe in having a zillion kids, they all play in the streets & throw their garbage all over the place instead of trash cans because they know someone (or the wind) will remove it.

They they eventually move in all of their friends & remaining families somewhere on the block so they can have fiestas every sunday.

Before you know it.....

it's a Mexican ghetto with broken beer bottles everywhere & every fence is tagged.


hahaha! fiestas!

Im sorry thats mean, but funny.
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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2006, 03:44:59 PM »
Natural b/bing could exist if a cheap, reliable, and easy to administer test were devised.   And backed by the IOC.  Then, natural b/bing might have a chance.