Author Topic: Gold Issue split from the Dow Crash thread.  (Read 9128 times)

225for70

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3127
  • Suckmymuscle is OneMoreRep's little bitch
Re: Gold Issue split from the Dow Crash thread.Fore
« Reply #75 on: November 10, 2010, 09:32:31 AM »
gold would have to go to break 2800 dollars an ounce, for the saplings who are buying gold from judy's firm to break even.

Agnostic007

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 15046
Re: Gold Issue split from the Dow Crash thread.
« Reply #76 on: November 10, 2010, 11:15:22 AM »
Judy- "Like I said, with the ability to mine, smelt and mint certified 999.9% pure 24KT kinebar monetary gold at a production cost of $433oz, and with a spot price of $1,400oz, they have a significant profit margin with which to pay referral fees, and/or customer acquisition bonuses. Currently, their customer acquisition bonus alone runs between $150 - $950 USD simply for referring a new customer. "

I'm no gold investor, I'll say that up front. But I am a business man. If I own the mine and blah blah blah can produce gold at 999.9% pure at $433 an ounce and the market is $1400 an ounce, it makes no sense to sell it for less than the market price. That they are paying people money for customers to buy a product that has a market value of 3 times their cost already in place smells of scam. Am I missing something?

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 40060
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Gold Issue split from the Dow Crash thread.
« Reply #77 on: November 10, 2010, 11:17:43 AM »
Judy- "Like I said, with the ability to mine, smelt and mint certified 999.9% pure 24KT kinebar monetary gold at a production cost of $433oz, and with a spot price of $1,400oz, they have a significant profit margin with which to pay referral fees, and/or customer acquisition bonuses. Currently, their customer acquisition bonus alone runs between $150 - $950 USD simply for referring a new customer. "

I'm no gold investor, I'll say that up front. But I am a business man. If I own the mine and blah blah blah can produce gold at 999.9% pure at $433 an ounce and the market is $1400 an ounce, it makes no sense to sell it for less than the market price. That they are paying people money for customers to buy a product that has a market value of 3 times their cost already in place smells of scam. Am I missing something?

Yes!   

Its called gullibility!   You apparently were not born with that gene so as to fall into a scam like this.  ha ha ha.  lol. 

OzmO

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 22735
  • Drink enough Kool-aid and you'll think its healthy
Re: Gold Issue split from the Dow Crash thread.
« Reply #78 on: November 10, 2010, 11:54:54 AM »
Judy- "Like I said, with the ability to mine, smelt and mint certified 999.9% pure 24KT kinebar monetary gold at a production cost of $433oz, and with a spot price of $1,400oz, they have a significant profit margin with which to pay referral fees, and/or customer acquisition bonuses. Currently, their customer acquisition bonus alone runs between $150 - $950 USD simply for referring a new customer. "

I'm no gold investor, I'll say that up front. But I am a business man. If I own the mine and blah blah blah can produce gold at 999.9% pure at $433 an ounce and the market is $1400 an ounce, it makes no sense to sell it for less than the market price. That they are paying people money for customers to buy a product that has a market value of 3 times their cost already in place smells of scam. Am I missing something?

Ouch, the reality of business rears its ugly but practical head.

24KT

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 24454
  • Gold Savings Account Rep +1 (310) 409-2244
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #79 on: November 10, 2010, 12:07:27 PM »
New Zillow Report Warns Of "Unprecedented Decline" In Home Values And No Stabilization In Q3
Business Insider ^ | 11/10/2010 | Gus Lubin


QE3? Already?!!!



This is going to be brutal!
w

loco

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19188
  • loco like a fox
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #80 on: November 10, 2010, 12:09:35 PM »
QE3? Already?!!!

http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/FrightenedMouse.gif

This is going to be brutal!

The gold bubble is just as bad as he housing bubble.

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 40060
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #81 on: November 10, 2010, 12:15:42 PM »
The gold bubble is just as bad as he housing bubble.

The problem I see with gold - is what to do with it.  Sure its a great store of wealth and I agree 1000% that ist will be valuable in that sense. 

But lets say SHTF big time - then what?  Am I going to trade a bar of gold for a loaf of bread? 

If it came to that, I would rather point my AK47 at the head of a guy and take his gold and his bread.     

Fury

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 21026
  • All aboard the USS Leverage
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #82 on: November 10, 2010, 12:17:41 PM »
QE3? Already?!!!



This is going to be brutal!

That would be "Q3", as in "QUARTER 3", as in "the quarter of the year that just passed us. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it con artist?

loco

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19188
  • loco like a fox
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #83 on: November 10, 2010, 12:19:25 PM »
The problem I see with gold - is what to do with it.  Sure its a great store of wealth and I agree 1000% that ist will be valuable in that sense. 

But lets say SHTF big time - then what?  Am I going to trade a bar of gold for a loaf of bread? 

If it came to that, I would rather point my AK47 at the head of a guy and take his gold and his bread.     

Stock pile Spam and Happy Meals.  You can eat them and they never spoil.

Emmortal

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 5660
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #84 on: November 10, 2010, 12:45:25 PM »
Stock pile Spam and Happy Meals.  You can eat them and they never spoil.

I'm stockpiling McRibs right now =)

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 40060
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #85 on: November 10, 2010, 12:47:25 PM »
I'm stockpiling McRibs right now =)

Gun Show this weekend in Westchester, plan on getting a few bricks of .223, 7.62, etc. 

That is my reserve currency of last resort.  My AK beats you gold coin bitch!  ;D   

loco

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19188
  • loco like a fox
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #86 on: November 10, 2010, 12:47:50 PM »
I'm stockpiling McRibs right now =)

I actually read about people doing this, buying a bunch of McRibs and freezing them, since they are available only for a limited time.

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 40060
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #87 on: November 10, 2010, 12:50:49 PM »
I actually read about people doing this, buying a bunch of McRibs and freezing them, since they are available only for a limited time.

Ha ha ha - my how times have changed.   ;D  ;D

Maybe I should go to White Castles and Hell Bell and do the same with the fisdh nibblers and chulupas.

24KT

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 24454
  • Gold Savings Account Rep +1 (310) 409-2244
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #88 on: November 11, 2010, 01:41:32 AM »
The problem I see with gold - is what to do with it.  Sure its a great store of wealth and I agree 1000% that ist will be valuable in that sense. 

But lets say SHTF big time - then what?  Am I going to trade a bar of gold for a loaf of bread?

That would depend on the size bar you have. That's why I believe small quantity bars provide the most practical & effective solution.
 
Quote
If it came to that, I would rather point my AK47 at the head of a guy and take his gold and his bread.     

LOL! Sorry, I was forgetting what a "civilized" nation you live in.  ::)
w

24KT

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 24454
  • Gold Savings Account Rep +1 (310) 409-2244
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #89 on: November 11, 2010, 01:47:58 AM »
The gold bubble is just as bad as he housing bubble.

All bubbles are bad. I just don't think we've got a gold bubble, ...not just yet.
As far as my precious metals are concerned, I'm looking at a 3:1 ration of silver:gold personally.
From what I hear this latest lawsuit against JP Morgan & HSBC might actually have some legs this time around
w

loco

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19188
  • loco like a fox
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #90 on: November 11, 2010, 05:46:13 AM »
All bubbles are bad. I just don't think we've got a gold bubble, ...not just yet.
As far as my precious metals are concerned, I'm looking at a 3:1 ration of silver:gold personally.
From what I hear this latest lawsuit against JP Morgan & HSBC might actually have some legs this time around

You just don't think?  Who cares what you think or don't think?  No offense, but what are your credentials and what qualifies you to say this isn't a gold bubble?  You sound just like all those real estate agents shortly before 2007 about the housing market. 

Of course, you don't want anyone to think that this is a gold bubble, because you want to them to buy gold from you.

24KT

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 24454
  • Gold Savings Account Rep +1 (310) 409-2244
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #91 on: November 11, 2010, 02:12:49 PM »
You just don't think?  Who cares what you think or don't think?  No offense, but what are your credentials and what qualifies you to say this isn't a gold bubble?  You sound just like all those real estate agents shortly before 2007 about the housing market. 

Of course, you don't want anyone to think that this is a gold bubble, because you want to them to buy gold from you.

I never claimed to have "credentials", just an opinion.
My opinion is based on common sense, as well as advise and information from those who do have credentials. I'm not telling people what to do. I'm only saying what I do. To you or others, I may very well sound like those real estate agents looking to push real estate during the bubble, except I don't sell gold or silver, ...I buy it.

If you want to search back to the first few posts in this thread, you will see I've always been bullish on commodities. I've never liked stocks, don't understand them, don't try to pick them, have always thought of them as nothing more than a crap shoot, ...but I have always been a believer in commodities... a category within which we find precious metals.
w

loco

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19188
  • loco like a fox
Re: Gold Issue split from the Dow Crash thread.
« Reply #92 on: November 11, 2010, 04:19:45 PM »
Bump...for 24KT/JaguarScams' response to Agnostic007 and 225for70.

24KT

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 24454
  • Gold Savings Account Rep +1 (310) 409-2244
Re: Gold Issue split from the Dow Crash thread.
« Reply #93 on: November 11, 2010, 04:27:44 PM »
Judy- "Like I said, with the ability to mine, smelt and mint certified 999.9% pure 24KT kinebar monetary gold at a production cost of $433oz, and with a spot price of $1,400oz, they have a significant profit margin with which to pay referral fees, and/or customer acquisition bonuses. Currently, their customer acquisition bonus alone runs between $150 - $950 USD simply for referring a new customer. "

I'm no gold investor, I'll say that up front. But I am a business man. If I own the mine and blah blah blah can produce gold at 999.9% pure at $433 an ounce and the market is $1400 an ounce, it makes no sense to sell it for less than the market price. That they are paying people money for customers to buy a product that has a market value of 3 times their cost already in place smells of scam. Am I missing something?

yes
w

loco

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19188
  • loco like a fox
Re: Gold Issue split from the Dow Crash thread.
« Reply #94 on: November 11, 2010, 04:35:08 PM »

Judy- "Like I said, with the ability to mine, smelt and mint certified 999.9% pure 24KT kinebar monetary gold at a production cost of $433oz, and with a spot price of $1,400oz, they have a significant profit margin with which to pay referral fees, and/or customer acquisition bonuses. Currently, their customer acquisition bonus alone runs between $150 - $950 USD simply for referring a new customer. "

I'm no gold investor, I'll say that up front. But I am a business man. If I own the mine and blah blah blah can produce gold at 999.9% pure at $433 an ounce and the market is $1400 an ounce, it makes no sense to sell it for less than the market price. That they are paying people money for customers to buy a product that has a market value of 3 times their cost already in place smells of scam. Am I missing something?


yes


yes, it smells of scam.  yes, it is a scam.

2ND COMING

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 6307
  • Might is right.
Re: Gold Issue split from the Dow Crash thread.
« Reply #95 on: November 11, 2010, 06:14:27 PM »
yes

Lol

no smirky remark, ad-hom or one of those stupid smiley .gif's?

How fast was your heart racing when you were exposed then subsequently owned in to oblivion in this thread?

225for70

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3127
  • Suckmymuscle is OneMoreRep's little bitch
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #96 on: November 11, 2010, 06:51:29 PM »
Just because you never took note of it, doesn't mean it didn't occur.
I thought this was supposed to be a no trolling board?
I guess that only applies if the mod doesn't have a bone to pick with you... otherwise it's open season huh?

225 for 70, I hope you're happy.
As to why the rest of you allow yourselves to be manipulated like this is beyond me.


I'll only be happy once the CFTC shuts this shop down, then my job here is truly done.. ;D

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 40060
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #97 on: November 11, 2010, 08:55:23 PM »

Here's Why QE2 Could Threaten The Dollar's Status As The Global Reserve Currency
L. Randall Wray, Benzinga | Nov. 11, 2010, 9:30 PM | 290 |  7


 L. Randall Wray is a professor of economics at the University of Missouri -- Kansas City.



On the eve of President Obama's arrival to the G20 talks in South Korea, a growing chorus of voices questions the direction of U.S. monetary policy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/10/business/global/10won.html?nl=todayshe...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/10/opinion/10wed2.html?_r=1

Germany's finance minister, Wolfgang Schaeuble went so far as to scold Chairman Bernanke, saying “With all due respect, U.S. policy is clueless.”

www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/05/fed-bernanke_n_779393.html

Some critics (with justification) have argued that America is guilty of the "currency manipulation” policy for which it castigates China.

http://www.benzinga.com/life/politics/10/10/559447/shrinking-our-trade-%...

Others have argued that US policies are opening the door to a complete revision of the international monetary system that is based on the dollar.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/11/business/global/11group.html?pagewante...

World Bank president Robert Zoellick appeared to even suggest a return to some sort of gold standard when he talked of “employing gold as an international reference point of market expectations about inflation, deflation and future currency values”.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2010/11/09/back-to-a-gold-standard/...

I already argued that QE2 is more of a slogan than a policy, and will not repeat those criticisms here.

http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/10/18/qe2-wont-save-our-sinking-ship-23653

In a new piece at New Deal 2.0 (coming today), I deal with the two most important issues and misunderstandings surrounding quantitative easing. The first concerns the consequences of injecting another $600 billion of excess reserves into the banking system. The second is associated with Fed attempts to lower long term interest rates through purchases of treasuries. In sum, I argue that QE2 will do no more good than QE1 did because banks already have massive excess reserves and because lower long term rates is not a solution to a situation in which home prices and the markets for goods and services must first turn around before banks will want to lend and households and firms will want to borrow.

Both of these issues are in turn connected to the belief that QE2 will devalue the dollar and threaten its status as the international reserve currency. That is the topic for this column.

With QE2, the Fed will buy $600 billion worth of longer term treasuries (and will “reinvest” another $300 billion of revenues from the previous QE1). The only plausible scenario in which this can prove useful is by “beggaring thy neighbor”. Bernanke has talked openly of his desire to raise inflation expectations, and that in combination with lowering interest rates could make America a less attractive investment option. If so, the dollar could depreciate, increasing US competitiveness in traded goods and services. This could boost exports and depress imports.

At the same time, international managed money would be looking for more attractive investments in strong currencies with higher interest rates—say, the BRICs (Brazil, Russia, India, China)—fueling appreciation of their currencies. In other words, QE2 would do for the US what Geithner claims Chinese currency policy is doing for China—cheapen our exports through a weak currency. No wonder the Chinese are outraged at Secretary Geithner's finger pointing and accusations of currency manipulation!

At the same time, many developing nations are also facing destabilizing capital inflows, and worry about a reprise of the Asian crisis of the late 1990s when the flows reversed and wrought havoc on their economies. That is why they are threatening to drop the dollar, reduce capital mobility, and move to some sort of fixed exchange rate based on gold or a new international currency.

China has long called for reformation of the international monetary system, preferring movement toward something like J.M. Keynes's “bancor”—an international currency delinked from any particular country and used for clearing accounts among nations. Meantime, China has moved toward bilateral agreements, using currencies of trading partners rather than going through the dollar. Others have talked about the creation of three or four trading blocks, each using one of the world's dominant currencies—a dollar area, a euro area, perhaps a pound sterling area, and a yen (or yuan; or won?) area. What I consider to be the nuttier proposals are those that would return to some sort of gold standard.

I do not have here the space to completely address all of these issues, but I will say that while much confusion surrounds the complaints thrown at the US, there is at least an element of truth in the claim that QE2 puts the burden of adjustment onto other nations. The critics are certainly right to argue that so far as domestic policy goes, QE2 does nothing to get the US out of its crisis, and it will work (for the US) only if it depresses the dollar and fuels US exports. But let us examine the arguments for international currency “reform.”

First, gold because that is the easiest. Some have argued that markets are already moving to gold as an alternative “monetary asset.” That is nonsense—gold is not a monetary asset, rather, it is a commodity (of some historical interest because of the two hundred or so year experience on-and-off the gold standard). Gold is currently enjoying a speculative boom (as are many other commodities—much as they did from 2004 to 2008, which was the biggest commodities price boom in human history). That is not too surprising—with the current depression it is hard to find any place to park managed money, and commodities markets are very small relative to the volume of money to invest (except oil and grain), so it does not take much movement into commodities to blow up their prices. Even on the gold standard, gold was never money. Rather, government pegged gold's price in terms of the domestic currency. It was always a very bad idea. Successful pegging means government has accumulated enough gold to maintain the peg. From the other side, it means government has got enough gold to fend off any speculative attack of those shorting the currency—betting the peg cannot be maintained. Think George Soros. We do not even need to revisit all the economic depressions of the 1800s as well as the 1930s Great Depression to come up with a good argument against tying a nation's fortunes to the value of gold. That is a subject for gold bugs, Austrians, and other (let us put it delicately) nut jobs.

So what about a “bancor” international currency? Fine. It requires an issuer. It requires international agreements on the conditions under which it is issued. It requires punishment of nations that violate agreements. That sounds like the euro. It is the euro. Who wants to be the next Greece? With no volunteers, let us move on.

The final possibility is division of the world into currency blocks. That is fine and indeed we are close to this already. The problem is that within a currency block, you have got the “regional” currency but between currency blocks you have got to choose the currency of denomination. For the near future, which will extend beyond a time that no one today can contemplate, it will be the dollar. For better or for worse, the dollar will remain the international reserve currency.

I do agree with critics that such a status implies responsibilities—responsibilities that the US has not been living up to. The rest of world needs dollars, especially in a crisis. It obtains those dollars by exporting to the US, and by attracting capital flows. But the US is mired in a deep recession, and it shows no signs of willingness to deal with the financial crisis that makes it impossible for the economy to recover. That is not the behavior that one must expect of the issuer of the international currency. Debasing the currency through policy designed to encourage capital flight or inflation is not appropriate to maintaining the dollar's status. Critics are right to castigate Washington for short-sighted policy.

http://www.benzinga.com/life/politics/10/10/559447/shrinking-our-trade-%...

The best thing that can be done, both for the US as issuer of the dollar and for the rest of the world users of the dollar, is to promote economic recovery in the US. This is not a matter of “affordability”. The US government can “afford” anything for sale in terms of dollars. It is a matter of political will. Can the US overthrow the silly pronouncements of deficit hawks, including today's statements by the “Fiscal Responsibility” commission, (http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/) to formulate a fiscal stimulus package that will put the US on the road to recovery? If so, the dollar's problems will disappear. If not, run to gold.

Finally, maintaining the dollar's international appeal also requires imposition of the rule of law in the US. Currently, the fraud perpetrated by the biggest banks is far worse than anything the Russian kleptocrats and mafia combined could possibly imagine. The US is in the grips of the worst scandals in world history, with the financial sector no longer constrained by anything that would be recognizable as lawful practice. And that is the biggest threat to the dollar as international reserve currency. Unless the top banks are closed, with their management jailed, there really is no hope for the US dollar or for its economy.

L. Randall Wray is a Professor of Economics, University of Missouri—Kansas City. A student of Hyman Minsky, his research focuses on monetary and fiscal policy as well as unemployment and job creation. He writes a weekly column for Benzinga every Tuesday.

He also blogs at New Economic Perspectives, and is a BrainTruster at New Deal 2.0. He is a senior scholar at the Levy Economics Institute, and has been a visiting professor at the University of Rome (La Sapienza), UNAM (Mexico City), University of Paris (South), and the University of Bologna (Italy).

 
Tags: Benzinga, Quantitative Easing, Currency | Get Alerts for these topics »

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-why-qe2-could-threaten-dollars-status-as-global-reserve-currency-2010-11#ixzz152agFNIe

loco

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19188
  • loco like a fox
Re: Gold Issue split from the Dow Crash thread.
« Reply #98 on: November 12, 2010, 03:38:48 AM »
How do I report a scam in Canada?  Nigeria is a lost cause, I know.

loco

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19188
  • loco like a fox
Re: Dow Crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #99 on: November 12, 2010, 03:42:34 AM »
I never claimed to have "credentials", just an opinion.
My opinion is based on common sense, as well as advise and information from those who do have credentials. I'm not telling people what to do. I'm only saying what I do. To you or others, I may very well sound like those real estate agents looking to push real estate during the bubble, except I don't sell gold or silver, ...I buy it.


You buy gold and silver from whom?  From your own shady company, and you want gullible people to buy gold and silver from your shady company too.