Author Topic: Who was the better Van Halen frontman? (Read 26462 times)

bmacsys · « **Reply #75 on:** November 17, 2006, 04:34:52 PM »

Quote from: natural al on November 16, 2006, 05:33:18 PM

Here's a cool little known VH fact:

Marshal Berle used to manage VH-he's the nephew of Milton Berle. Anyway rumor has it Dave didn't get along with him very well. Dave's dad was a very wealthy Doctor and used his money to get Berle out of the picture. The band then hired Niel Monk to manage him, Niel and Dave were very close. Some people believed that Niel was hired with the sole intention of pushing Dave.

Eddie used to turn his back to the crowd when he did his solos so nobody could steal his technique.

Rumor has it that Ted Templeman pushed hard for Sammy Hagar to replace dave as far back as 1978. He presented this to the band and they turned him down. Wether this is true or not has never been confirmed but when Sammy and VH played a few festivals Ed went over and said "hi" to sam and told him he really dug the stuff sammy did with montrose. Ed later said that dAve was all pissy about sammy. Sam didn't even know that he was up for consideration until he joined the band. Ed, Al, Sam and Mike talk about this alot in interviews from 86-88.

I don't believe the thing about trying to replace Roth in 1978. Thats just utter crap. For one thing Van Halens debut wasn't released until April of 1978 so why would there be talk of ditching Dave when they were just releasing a record he sang? Another thing: ROTH QUIT! He wasn't forced out. He was an EQUAL partner in Van Halen. He owned the Van Halen name as much as Eddie or Alex.

bmacsys · « **Reply #76 on:** November 17, 2006, 04:36:20 PM »

Quote from: natural al on November 16, 2006, 05:33:18 PM

Here's a cool little known VH fact:

Marshal Berle used to manage VH-he's the nephew of Milton Berle. Anyway rumor has it Dave didn't get along with him very well. Dave's dad was a very wealthy Doctor and used his money to get Berle out of the picture. The band then hired Niel Monk to manage him, Niel and Dave were very close. Some people believed that Niel was hired with the sole intention of pushing Dave.

Marshal Berle was Ratt's manager also.

bmacsys · « **Reply #77 on:** November 17, 2006, 04:37:15 PM »

Quote from: natural al on November 16, 2006, 06:38:27 PM

I think Gary's already said he won't show up....I'm not sure about that. It's gonna be a mess no matter what. Ed hates everybody these days but Alex and Al might be walking a thin line these days. Al and Sam still talk from what I hear...that could land Al in outsville with everyone else.

Eddie and Alex are two strange dudes.

windsor88 · « **Reply #78 on:** November 17, 2006, 05:10:44 PM »

Quote from: TheBlockHead on November 16, 2006, 04:32:41 PM

Diamond Dave by far...

Greatest front man of all time...Axl. Greatest lead guitarist? Slash...

Greatest vocalist? sebastian bach.

DUDE...I just got tickets to see Sebastian Bach...kick ass vocalist for sure. gotta new studio cd coming in 2007. It has been forever since a studio release. Skid Row is playing at the same place like a few days earlier. How wierd. Skid Row, now, sux.

Oh yeah..saw Sammy and Dave on their tour. I love Sammy but Dave is a way better showman. Still got great pipes. Montrose still rocks.

mar10s · « **Reply #79 on:** November 17, 2006, 06:41:50 PM »

I actually think that DLR left the band. Seems as though he thought he could do it all on his own, just my opinion. Natural Al is right...the production on the Carnal Knowledge album is simply the greatest. Those drums sound so damn clear...Pleasure Dome, thats a tough one to beat on the album. Michael Anthony's voice in the backing vocals is key for that band to sound like Van Halen...without him, I dont think the harmony etc. would sound the same at all.
I have some of the Inside magz as well, a lot of good stories in there. I also have 1984 Trivia book which has some of the facts that have been posted..kind of a cool "book" to read.

natural al · « **Reply #80 on:** November 17, 2006, 06:44:08 PM »

Quote from: bmacsys on November 17, 2006, 04:34:52 PM

I don't believe the thing about trying to replace Roth in 1978. Thats just utter crap. For one thing Van Halens debut wasn't released until April of 1978 so why would there be talk of ditching Dave when they were just releasing a record he sang? Another thing: ROTH QUIT! He wasn't forced out. He was an EQUAL partner in Van Halen. He owned the Van Halen name as much as Eddie or Alex.

well both ted templeman and Donn Landee worked with Sam in the past as they were the production team for both montrose albums. This is a story that was told by Ed, Al and Mike a bunch of times from 86-91, I'm pretty sure they talk about it on the 1986 MTV Van Halen Unleased special and on the Rockumentary specials. Did it actually happen or are they talking shit? I don't know. Is it possible? Sure it is. Templeman and sam have worked together on numerous occasions, both montrose CD's, sammy's VOA cd, Ted sat in on some initial recordings for 5150 and Ted worked alot with Sam for all the lyrics and vocals for the Carnal Knowledge disk. I've read that Ed and Dave NEVER got along...and I've also read that they did get along. There is alot of "muddy" points that go along with VH, most of it is said after the fact so nobody really knows what's true and what isn't.

I believe Dave left on his own. He had a movie going with CBS, you can probobly find the script for "Crazy From the heat" somewhere on the net, I know it used to be on VHlinks before the site got hacked. The band was very disfunctional from 80 on....I'm suprised they lasted as long as they did, Dave was a very overpowering presence..if half the stuff I've read about him is true then I'm suprised nobody shot the guy before he left.

natural al · « **Reply #81 on:** November 17, 2006, 06:47:11 PM »

Quote from: mar10s on November 17, 2006, 06:41:50 PM

I actually think that DLR left the band. Seems as though he thought he could do it all on his own, just my opinion. Natural Al is right...the production on the Carnal Knowledge album is simply the greatest. Those drums sound so damn clear...Pleasure Dome, thats a tough one to beat on the album. Michael Anthony's voice in the backing vocals is key for that band to sound like Van Halen...without him, I dont think the harmony etc. would sound the same at all.
I have some of the Inside magz as well, a lot of good stories in there. I also have 1984 Trivia book which has some of the facts that have been posted..kind of a cool "book" to read.

the background vocals on "judgement day" are some of the best ever recorded, watch Live without a net sometime...Mike's voice is awsome. It's totally absent on III. Listen to "it's about time" the first time Sammy sings "Turn your clocks back" it has no backing vocals...then the rest of the times it does. BIG difference.

JOHN MATRIX · « **Reply #82 on:** November 17, 2006, 06:55:30 PM »

DLR.
despite being technically inferior to hagar, he was still the better frontman.

who gives a shit about them anyway? the entire bands was the eddie van halen show.

natural al · « **Reply #83 on:** November 17, 2006, 07:43:38 PM »

Quote from: JOHN MATRIX on November 17, 2006, 06:55:30 PM

DLR.
despite being technically inferior to hagar, he was still the better frontman.

who gives a shit about them anyway? the entire bands was the eddie van halen show.

ed needs a good frontman or else you get stuff like VH3 and the stuff he released a couple of months ago for his porn movies....with Sam they have to be getting along for the music to be good...with dave they have to hate each other for it to be good...anybody else and it just does not work....

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #84 on:** November 17, 2006, 08:02:29 PM »

David....

Chavez, "claims to be this great humanitarian for his people, yet they are starving with an unemployment rate of almost 80%"--Mr. IntenseLiarOne

I'm Mr. Intenseone and I approve this exaggeration!

njflex · « **Reply #85 on:** November 17, 2006, 08:34:15 PM »

I think of some of alex's best drumming is from fair warning,the whole album is one rocker to the next san's push come's to shove ,which is still a cool tune.dirty movies drum beat is a alex classic.that also boast's some crazy evh riff's,and he still uses part's of those song's during his guitar solo.it's amazing he can play and still be sauced ,he lived a hard life booze wise.still the greatest ever.m.a bass solo's were funny never changed in 20 years's.

JOHN MATRIX · « **Reply #86 on:** November 18, 2006, 01:48:51 AM »

EVH reamins to thismday one of the beat ever, his tapping skills are still unbeatred except for aybe steve vai.

UK Gold · « **Reply #87 on:** November 18, 2006, 05:55:12 AM »

DLR easily. The first couple of VH albums are essential for any party. Damn, the late seventies and eighties fucking ruled.
Van Halen/Van Halen
AC DC /back in black/flick of the switch
Whitesnake/ 1987
Def leappard/ hysteria/pyromania
Iron Maiden /number of the beast
Manowar /Kings of Metal
GNR /AFD
Motley Crue /shout at the devil
Judas Priest /Defenders of the faith/screaming for vengance/turbo
Savatage /gutter ballet
Thats the music i play when i have a party at mine [plus some Zepp of course]. None of this, "woe is me" bullshit. Music should make you want to fuck, drink and take drugs.

pumpster · « **Reply #88 on:** November 18, 2006, 08:08:17 AM »

Pointless question but a good excuse to talk VH; DLR was the quintessential sight & sound of VH, Hagar wasn't in any respect. It's not about who was technically better, which completely misses the point. DLR's arguably the best frontman in rock history based on stage presence, attitude & talent. Better than more aclaimed legends who've benefitted from much longer careers & exposure touring with the same group.

Van Halen was discovered by Gene Simmons of Kiss.

After a demo of songs produced on KISS's equipment, they went national touring with KISS-nice combo!

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David Lee Roth IS Van Halen

not really. If that was the case he'd have been a popular solo artist and he couldn't sell shit as far back as 88.

Silly; solo careers don't have much correlation to one's value in a group context. Too many examples of this that your tiny brain hasn't even considered, apparently. Besides which, he did well initially, which contradicts the thesis. Stupid. Other guy's right DLR IS VH (combined with Hagar).

bmacsys · « **Reply #89 on:** November 18, 2006, 08:45:54 AM »

Quote from: natural al on November 16, 2006, 06:33:27 PM

About the 04 songs. Waht you said was true but Ed and Al made Mike sign a waiver so he now has no rights to the VH name and he took a big pay cut to go out on the 04 tour. Mike cannot do an appearance as "Van Halens Mike Anthony" at this point....he has no rights to the name and no say so to anything the band does.

Pay cut? How did Mike go from a founding band member to a paid side man?

Grundle · « **Reply #90 on:** November 18, 2006, 08:49:35 AM »

Quote from: natural al on November 17, 2006, 06:44:08 PM

well both ted templeman and Donn Landee worked with Sam in the past as they were the production team for both montrose albums. This is a story that was told by Ed, Al and Mike a bunch of times from 86-91, I'm pretty sure they talk about it on the 1986 MTV Van Halen Unleased special and on the Rockumentary specials. Did it actually happen or are they talking shit? I don't know. Is it possible? Sure it is. Templeman and sam have worked together on numerous occasions, both montrose CD's, sammy's VOA cd, Ted sat in on some initial recordings for 5150 and Ted worked alot with Sam for all the lyrics and vocals for the Carnal Knowledge disk. I've read that Ed and Dave NEVER got along...and I've also read that they did get along. There is alot of "muddy" points that go along with VH, most of it is said after the fact so nobody really knows what's true and what isn't.

I believe Dave left on his own. He had a movie going with CBS, you can probobly find the script for "Crazy From the heat" somewhere on the net, I know it used to be on VHlinks before the site got hacked. The band was very disfunctional from 80 on....I'm suprised they lasted as long as they did, Dave was a very overpowering presence..if half the stuff I've read about him is true then I'm suprised nobody shot the guy before he left.

Valerie Bertinelli = Yoko Ono

Dave would have been around for another couple of albums without the meddling bitchwhore dragging Eddie around by his dick.

pumpster · « **Reply #91 on:** November 18, 2006, 08:52:42 AM »

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Valerie Bertinelli = Yoko Ono

Hard to match Ono but you might be right.

bmacsys · « **Reply #92 on:** November 18, 2006, 08:52:51 AM »

RAT SALAD!

bmacsys · « **Reply #93 on:** November 18, 2006, 08:53:49 AM »

Quote from: pumpster on November 18, 2006, 08:52:42 AM

Hard to match Ono but you might be right.

We used to see Ono and Lennon walking in Central park when we were kids. Fuck, Ono was one ugly bitch.

bmacsys · « **Reply #94 on:** November 18, 2006, 08:58:00 AM »

How is Roth's hair situation these days? I saw him on that Sam and Dave tour and DLR's hair looked kind of funky?

Earl1972 · « **Reply #95 on:** November 18, 2006, 09:07:11 AM »

sammy hagar by far

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pumpster · « **Reply #96 on:** November 18, 2006, 09:14:51 AM »

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We used to see Ono and Lennon walking in Central park when we were kids. f**k, Ono was one ugly bitch.

Obviously Lennon was missing some brain matter-Yoko Ono was originally an ardent groupie that most rational people would stay away from. The *last* person to take seriously, but he did.

Ugliness amplified by the horrible personality.

Grundle · « **Reply #97 on:** November 18, 2006, 09:19:41 AM »

Quote from: Earl1972 on November 18, 2006, 09:07:11 AM

sammy hagar by far

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Earl,

I hate to keep busting your balls man, but saying Sammy Hagar is the better front man of Van Halen is tantamount to telling the world you love teh cock.

natural al · « **Reply #98 on:** November 18, 2006, 09:35:35 AM »

Quote from: Grundle on November 18, 2006, 08:49:35 AM

Valerie Bertinelli = Yoko Ono

Dave would have been around for another couple of albums without the meddling bitchwhore dragging Eddie around by his dick.

val didn't have anything to do with it. Dave was pissed that she wanted to meet eddie backstage the first time she went to see them.

Dave did it to himself, he quit, he did a solo cd, he had a movie deal with CBS films, he had an ego the size of the moon. His ego destroyed his first solo band, driving away billy sheehan then steve vai...getting rid of templeman....it goes on and on..

Quote from: bmacsys on November 18, 2006, 08:58:00 AM

How is Roth's hair situation these days? I saw him on that Sam and Dave tour and DLR's hair looked kind of funky?

it's not good.

bmacsys · « **Reply #99 on:** November 18, 2006, 09:40:56 AM »

Quote from: natural al on November 18, 2006, 09:35:35 AM

val didn't have anything to do with it. Dave was pissed that she wanted to meet eddie backstage the first time she went to see them.

Dave did it to himself, he quit, he did a solo cd, he had a movie deal with CBS films, he had an ego the size of the moon. His ego destroyed his first solo band, driving away billy sheehan then steve vai...getting rid of templeman....it goes on and on..

it's not good.

Al, was anyone "normal" in VH? I saw Roth on tv a while back in an interview and all he did was blink. He sure was acting goofy. I get the distinct impression Alex and especially Edward are eccentric.