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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2006, 08:54:49 AM »

Are you not able to put yourself in the old lady's place?

You're home alone, you're not a criminal, you don't associate with criminals, and you have absolutely no reason to expect the police to come busting into your house.  All of a sudden, your door comes smashing in, and three guys (not in uniforms of any kind that would identify them as police)  with guns charge at you. What do you do?  Probably the same thing the old lady did.  Is it so hard to see it from her perspective?  ::)
he would never understand, he's the type of guy who would let a cop give him a cavity search just because he asked.

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2006, 09:02:45 AM »

Are you not able to put yourself in the old lady's place?

You're home alone, you're not a criminal, you don't associate with criminals, and you have absolutely no reason to expect the police to come busting into your house.  All of a sudden, your door comes smashing in, and three guys (not in uniforms of any kind that would identify them as police)  with guns charge at you. What do you do?  Probably the same thing the old lady did.  Is it so hard to see it from her perspective?  ::)

If I'm being honest, I'm really bored and doing a "Jimmy".

I think there is a cultural barrier here. We don't have a right to arm ourselves in England, and nor do the police routinely kick in our front doors and shoot people. (Unless you are a suspected terrorist, that is.) I feel bad for the old women and I can see why she may have reacted in the way she did, but I also think that people are being too quick in condemning the police.

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2006, 09:06:52 AM »
Exactamundo, Manni!

(To plagiarise Bill Hicks) How would you rather remember Granny going? Dying all alone of cancer on a cold hospital ward, or, going out all guns-a-blazing Steven Segal style?
listen up bitch...  :D


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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2006, 09:07:59 AM »
If I'm being honest, I'm really bored and doing a "Jimmy".

I think there is a cultural barrier here. We don't have a right to arm ourselves in England, and nor do the police routinely kick in our front doors and shoot people. (Unless you are a suspected terrorist, that is.) I feel bad for the old women and I can see why she may have reacted in the way she did, but I also think that people are being too quick in condemning the police.
You need to fix that bullshit. :-\

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2006, 09:09:44 AM »
What bullshit, dude?


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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2006, 09:25:08 AM »
Woman, 92, dies in shootout with policeAs the plainclothes Atlanta police officers approached the house about 7 p.m. Monday, a woman inside started shooting, striking each of them, said Officer Joe Cobb, a police spokesman.

If they were fired on "as they approached the house", as the article says, they are completly justified if firing back.

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2006, 09:28:00 AM »
If they were fired on "as they approached the house", as the article says, they are completly justified if firing back.
You fogot to highlight this part; "said Officer Joe Cobb, a police spokesman"

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2006, 09:36:00 AM »
Ma Baker, she taught her four sons,
Ma Baker, to handle their guns,
Ma Baker, she never could cry,
MA Baker but she knew how to die!!

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2006, 09:41:41 AM »
You fogot to highlight this part; "said Officer Joe Cobb, a police spokesman"

No, thats why I started the sentence with IF.  8)

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2006, 09:43:19 AM »
If they were fired on "as they approached the house", as the article says, they are completly justified if firing back.
You are naive if you believe that... :P
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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2006, 09:55:39 AM »
You are naive if you believe that... :P

No, just don't care.

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2006, 10:41:22 AM »
I heard the cops went to UCLA.

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2006, 08:54:40 PM »
It appears you did:


I hadn't assigned blame, ...but the more that I think about it, the more I'm leaning in that direction.

Supposedly, she didn't fire until after they forced her door down and entered the home.

In a nation where people have the right to bear arms, it's ridiculous to expect that plainclothes officers can serve "'JOHN DOE' NO KNOCK" warrants, and not expect trouble. I think if an officer is being fired on, they have every right to fire back... no question about it, ...but for crying out loud!  ::)

The police spokesman couldn't even release the name of the drug that was supposedly bought at the house, because the lab had yet to certify the substance supposedly purchased as a drug. Well if your crime lab hadn't even certified it as a drug, ...where do you get off issuing an arrest warrant? And who's bright idea was it to have a NO KNOCK warrant served by plain clothes officers?

It wouldn't surprise me if they got the address wrong. An actor friend of mine in NYC was terrorized in his apartment one night when offficers kicked his door in, they came in with guns drawn. Turned out they were at the wrong apartment. They left... no apologies, and he was stuck in an apartment with no door on it.

Why do I have the feeling that if it was Patty Hearst, a no knock john doe warrant would not have been issued, but a phone call would more than likely have been made requesting Ms Hearst present herself to the station accompanied by her legal team?
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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2006, 09:06:37 PM »
I don't see the issue, she FIRED A GUN AT POLICE. They had every right to shoot this woman. It doesnt matter that she wasnt a criminal or that she was a sweet old lady, she shot at the cops and she got shot. How many 92 yr old ladies do you know that have a gun sitting next to them at all times. Unless, as the cops were rushing the home, she ran to another room loaded the gun and then waited for them to come in. Either way she should not have shot at the police.

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2006, 09:37:39 PM »
I don't see the issue, she FIRED A GUN AT POLICE. They had every right to shoot this woman. It doesnt matter that she wasnt a criminal or that she was a sweet old lady, she shot at the cops and she got shot. How many 92 yr old ladies do you know that have a gun sitting next to them at all times. Unless, as the cops were rushing the home, she ran to another room loaded the gun and then waited for them to come in. Either way she should not have shot at the police.

In some of the roughest parts of town, ...I'm sure there are many, but that's besides the point.
You have no idea how vulnerable the elderly feel living alone. They are scary vulnerable.

There is no question in my mind that if officers are being fired upon, they have every right to return fire. I just think it's sad, and that this should have had an entirely different outcome. I don't think it unreasonable to speculate that had they waited to ensure what they had was actually a drug, ...and actually had the right address, and presented a warrant without kicking her door in, things might have been different. Wtf goes in all dirty harry without a little surveillance first?

Granny should be in her house right now, and those cops should be filing paperwork instead of being in the hospital.
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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2006, 09:43:17 PM »
In some of the roughest parts of town, ...I'm sure there are many, but that's besides the point.
You have no idea how vulnerable the elderly feel living alone. They are scary vulnerable.

There is no question in my mind that if officers are being fired upon, they have every right to return fire. I just think it's sad, and that this should have had an entirely different outcome. I don't think it unreasonable to speculate that had they waited to ensure what they had was actually a drug, ...and actually had the right address, and presented a warrant without kicking her door in, things might have been different. Wtf goes in all dirty harry without a little surveillance first?

Granny should be in her house right now, and those cops should be filing paperwork instead of being in the hospital.

It doesn't matter what part of town your in, 90+ yr old woman do not always have loaded firearms next to them. I do know how the elderly feel, especially living alone in a bad area. I grew up in a very dangerous city that was run by drugs. Also, you do not do a drug raid by knocking on the door and asking if the address is correct and shaking hands. Any cop, drug enforcement agnet, or anyone that has ever raided a home will tell you that. I don't think it's sad at all. Unfortunate, maybe, but definetly not sad.

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2006, 09:45:54 PM »
You don't think the fact that a person is dead, and three officers were hospitalized is sad?  :o
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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2006, 09:49:38 PM »
It's not good, I don't want to come off as a meanie. I just don't think it deserves nationwide attention, and constant debate. Yes I suppose it could be a sad time, I'm not a very emotional person. For people, not nessecarily you, to consider blaming the police is crazy. We have to stop telling people to protect us and then questioning everything they do. (paraphrased from "A Few Good Men")

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2006, 09:54:17 PM »
We have to stop telling people to protect us and then questioning everything they do.


Who's gonna protect us from them?
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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2006, 09:56:32 PM »
Dont commit a crime, fire a gun at police, or go to the library without a pass and you'll be just fine.  ;D

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2006, 10:05:06 PM »
Dont commit a crime, fire a gun at police, or go to the library without a pass and you'll be just fine.  ;D

You forgot, "don't be minding your own business at home alone when you're 90."   ::)
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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2006, 10:09:04 PM »
That too. So :

No firing at the police
No crimes
No undocumented library presence
No hanging around the house after the age of 90
and last but not least..for all you reverse racists...
No being black.

Does that sum everything up?

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2006, 10:12:55 PM »
pssst - you forgot about being a swarthy middle easterner... or looking like one
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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2006, 10:15:01 PM »
ok so no beards or turbans. anything else?

how about NO taking LSD, getting into a high speed chase, then attcking police?

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Re: 90 yr old granny home alone is shot dead by police
« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2006, 10:16:59 PM »
No being within gunshot of a storm trooper. ...covers all the bases.  :)
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