Author Topic: PDI out of the business? (Read 5389 times)

Insider Z · « **on:** November 24, 2006, 01:28:15 PM »

Well, actually that is the (not so) secret wish of few characters who don't care about the growth of the sport but just caring about their personal power. I've heard that in 2007 IFBB won't promote more pro shows than PDI.
Or better, PDI may be able to set a larger pro show schedule than IFBB.

240 is Back · « **Reply #1 on:** November 24, 2006, 01:31:59 PM »

Quote from: Insider Z on November 24, 2006, 01:28:15 PM

Well,
actually that is the (not so) secret wish of few characters who don't care about the growth of the sport but just caring about their personal power.
I've heard that in 2007 IFBB won't promote more pro shows than PDI.
Or better, PDI may be able to set a larger pro show schedule than IFBB.

It seems PDI Euro is going to be a fucking beast in 2007.

Insider Z · « **Reply #2 on:** November 24, 2006, 01:38:32 PM »

Quote from: G o a t b o y on November 24, 2006, 01:29:34 PM

Who cares?

You'd be surprised to know how many athletes and fans care about it.

SteelePegasus · « **Reply #3 on:** November 24, 2006, 01:39:56 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on November 24, 2006, 01:31:59 PM

It seems PDI Euro is going to be a fucking beast in 2007.

1. Lee Priest
2. Sammy
3-5. Rodney

no more suspense...

Ron · « **Reply #4 on:** November 24, 2006, 02:27:16 PM »

It is rumored that in 2007, the PDI will have a number of shows, but most of them will be in Europe. In the U.S., it looks like that the PDI Night of Champions will come back. Unless Wayne DeMilia says so, it is not going out out business.

As for the IFBB, it is going as strong as ever, with the schedule announced earlier, and many people are looking forwards to the shows. First show if the Ironman in Pasadena, in which this year, the top five qualify for the Olympia.

timfogarty · « **Reply #5 on:** November 24, 2006, 02:42:22 PM »

Quote from: Ron on November 24, 2006, 02:27:16 PM

As for the IFBB, it is going as strong as ever,

unless you count the years they were having 15 or more pro show for the men, including 5 or more in Europe. this year there is a total of one contest being held outside North America

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First show if the Ironman in Pasadena, in which this year, the top five qualify for the Olympia.

ya know, the Olympia is suppose to be the best of the best. it should be limited to the winners of contests of the previous 12 months

Insider Z · « **Reply #6 on:** November 24, 2006, 03:36:25 PM »

Quote from: Ron on November 24, 2006, 02:27:16 PM

As for the IFBB, it is going as strong as ever, with the schedule announced earlier, and many people are looking forwards to the shows. First show if the Ironman in Pasadena, in which this year, the top five qualify for the Olympia.

Ron,
if they keep this strategy, both you and I have a chance to qualify for the show that used to be the greatest in our business.
Five from Ironman qualifying for the Olympia is embarassing for the credibility of the system

bigmikecox · « **Reply #7 on:** November 24, 2006, 03:39:08 PM »

When Joe Weider dies, the Arnold is going to be a PDI show!!!!

Platz · « **Reply #8 on:** November 24, 2006, 03:49:51 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on November 24, 2006, 02:42:22 PM

unless you count the years they were having 15 or more pro show for the men, including 5 or more in Europe. this year there is a total of one contest being held outside North America

ya know, the Olympia is suppose to be the best of the best. it should be limited to the winners of contests of the previous 12 months

I believe that the euro tour will be added later on (Russian & Dutch GP)

Tre · « **Reply #9 on:** November 24, 2006, 04:28:03 PM »

I say again:

Rooting for the PDI to succeed does not equate to wishing the IFBB to fail or even to experience tough times.

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And then the NPC Pro Division will emerge and we can have title unification battles.

It'll be a great day when the best bodybuilder in the world holds all 3 title belts.

Meltdown · « **Reply #10 on:** November 24, 2006, 05:15:18 PM »

The IFBB Pro calender looked a lot better when Wayne was involved.It's a shame that BB has to suffer as per Politics.IFBB prize money is way too low with Grand Prix shows giving 10k for 1st and 1k for 5th now that is a JOKE.Nite Clubs have bigger prizes.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #11 on:** November 24, 2006, 05:51:03 PM »

G for P is an alternative when BB prize money is so low. at least the G for P dollars are tax free.

Meltdown · « **Reply #12 on:** November 24, 2006, 06:12:09 PM »

It's very Sad that the prize money is so low the promoters make a packet with no risk to health.I know people who would spend more for a dinner than 5th place $1000 in a Grand Prix.I thought that Pro meant that you lived off your chosen Profession.

gordiano · « **Reply #13 on:** November 24, 2006, 06:59:18 PM »

Quote from: Meltdown on November 24, 2006, 06:12:09 PM

It's very Sad that the prize money is so low the promoters make a packet with no risk to health.I know people who would spend more for a dinner than 5th place $1000 in a Grand Prix.I thought that Pro meant that you lived off your chosen Profession.

I know what you mean.

And so I ask this question once again......

Why would ANYONE want to be a pro?

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #14 on:** November 24, 2006, 07:30:10 PM »

Quote from: bigmikecox on November 24, 2006, 03:39:08 PM

When Joe Weider dies, the Arnold is going to be a PDI show!!!!

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #15 on:** November 24, 2006, 07:34:01 PM »

Quote from: gordiano on November 24, 2006, 06:59:18 PM

I know what you mean.

And so I ask this question once again......

Why would ANYONE want to be a pro?

No why would anyone want to be a pro and then not be able to compete and make money where and when they can?

Like i have said i pay my dues to the NHRA and get a membership card(nicer then he IFBb one as well) but i can race IHRA or any other racing league to make money..just dosen't make sense in Bodybuilding to restrict guys making money while they can...ALL about power and ego...what a shame.

njflex · « **Reply #16 on:** November 24, 2006, 07:43:22 PM »

ihra probably has a bigger fan base,nascar too.shame,can u feel the squeeze lee.u have to sell ur soul to be a ifbb playa,you have done it and successfully long time.think of all the names that have come and gone

kyomu · « **Reply #17 on:** November 25, 2006, 05:08:50 AM »

Quote from: Lee_a_priest on November 24, 2006, 07:34:01 PM

No why would anyone want to be a pro and then not be able to compete and make money where and when they can?

Like i have said i pay my dues to the NHRA and get a membership card(nicer then he IFBb one as well) but i can race IHRA or any other racing league to make money..just dosen't make sense in Bodybuilding to restrict guys making money while they can...ALL about power and ego...what a shame.

They make use of BBer because they are stupid.

SteelePegasus · « **Reply #18 on:** November 25, 2006, 05:13:19 AM »

Quote from: Meltdown on November 24, 2006, 05:15:18 PM

The IFBB Pro calender looked a lot better when Wayne was involved.It's a shame that BB has to suffer as per Politics.IFBB prize money is way too low with Grand Prix shows giving 10k for 1st and 1k for 5th now that is a JOKE.Nite Clubs have bigger prizes.

1. night clubs have more people in attendance
2. when you factor in the bar they make more money
3. night clubs have more people on gear
4. and much better posing routines

efirkey · « **Reply #19 on:** November 25, 2006, 05:58:00 AM »

Quote from: timfogarty on November 24, 2006, 02:42:22 PM

unless you count the years they were having 15 or more pro show for the men, including 5 or more in Europe. this year there is a total of one contest being held outside North America

ya know, the Olympia is suppose to be the best of the best. it should be limited to the winners of contests of the previous 12 months

and as the best of the best, it should allow winners from other organizations to compete as well as it was originally intended

efirkey · « **Reply #20 on:** November 25, 2006, 06:01:47 AM »

Quote from: Insider Z on November 24, 2006, 03:36:25 PM

Ron,
if they keep this strategy, both you and I have a chance to qualify for the show that used to be the greatest in our business.
Five from Ironman qualifying for the Olympia is embarassing for the credibility of the system

If they only allowed winners in the Olympia, then in some years they would have less than five competitors. This wouldn't make for a great show.

ether · « **Reply #21 on:** November 25, 2006, 06:02:56 AM »

Quote from: SteelePegasus on November 25, 2006, 05:13:19 AM

1. night clubs have more people in attendance
2. when you factor in the bar they make more money
3. night clubs have more people on gear
4. and much better posing routines

Awesome post.

Wouldn't it make sense for the PDI to be having shows now, when the IFBB is quiet...so that more people might cross over rather than hosting the NOC like the week before the olympia.

buffbodz · « **Reply #22 on:** November 25, 2006, 06:57:58 AM »

This post has allot of good points. Why should their be only 1 kid on the block calling all the shots. The window of opportunity for a bodybuilder is only so long. Why would any federation not wish the best earning not to mention the prestige of winning a crossover show? One question. Does the PDI suspend any of their athletes who compete in another federation? Is whats good for the goose good for the gander? I don't believe anyones brought up this before. Lee, 240 anyone?

240 is Back · « **Reply #23 on:** November 25, 2006, 07:08:28 AM »

people on top don't like to share money or spotlight. it is inevitably their downfall because they don't adapt to change quickly enough.

PDI is currently a guerilla operation. They can adapt to changing environment much more quickly than a larger, more beaurocratic org like the IFBB. On the other hand, IFBB has the NPC understructure and is #1 in the mindset of the consumer. There will always be a #1 and a #2 in every market - -coke/pepsi, nike/reebok... so PDI will always be right there are a different alternative. wayne's experience is the wildcard - seeing as he knows the IFBB show ops inside and out, he doesn't face that barrier to entry that John Doe would have when trying to fig out how to build a show and the structure underneath it, not to mention promotions.

it's an interesting story here. Classic leader/guerilla example ala marketing 101. IFBB is safe of course, but thanks to the availability of media, perceptions held by athletes, and wayne's IFBB IQ, PDI could move from 'shasta' to 'pepsi' status by the end of 2007, providing a viable option and becoing a legit #2 contender. That is what IFBB probably fears (i would). Waking up after the 2007 and realizing they now possess 55% of the market share to PDI's 45%, instead of 90% (2006 figures). With wayne's ambitions 2007 euro plans, i am guessing we'll see more of what we did last year (guys flipflopping, organized public bashing to counter all PDI announcements.

Was it ghandi who said it? "First they ignore you. Then they mock you. Then they attack you. At that point, you've won."

Just a sat AM analysis under the influence of raisin and date oatmeal.

1Fast400 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 25, 2006, 07:13:08 AM »

I'm one of the few on this board that has put on a pro show. Tell me how a promoter is supposed to make money when the "sanctioning fee's" and prize purse for mens bodybuilding/womens bb'ing/figure/fitness totals 76k dollars? That doesn't count the expenses of the judges, which have to be paid for by the promoter, plus 500 bucks or whatever to each judge post show.

Their system is setup to fail. You get NOTHING for that 76k dollars. I asked to used the NPC mailing list and was told no. All I wanted to do was let people know about the show. Please tell me how a new show is supposed to generate at least 100k in profit in order to break even? The biggest show of the year only draws 5k people. Sponsors aren't going to nut up if you don't have a history of people coming into your event. You can put the show near the arnold or the olympia because people have the big cash outlay for those events.

It's a flawed system and I for one would LOVE to see it fall or change hands. This is just coming from the business side. I won't even get into the competition side of things. I have some REALLY good stories for that one.