Beast, I do not lie and I'm not slow in any way (thanks for the compliments, though, lol). Why do some of you think you have to have steroids to be big? My brother is huge and has never taken any kind of drug in his life. I know this for fact because we lived on a ranch out in the middle of nowhere when he got big from weights, food and sleep only. He would never even take an aspirin because he didn't like anything unnatural. He is big like Steve and Serge. He is bigger than some on steroids. My cousin is very young, just started lifting and is getting big already too. Both are big--without the juice.
When someone shows such strong disbelief that natural cannot be big, it clearly says one thing--his genetics are $hit...and he can't ever get big without drugs...otherwise he wouldn't argue if he was big naturally...he wouldn't need to. The best advice--take up a ping pong or a different sport; it'll be a better use of time for you. Some people will never believe big and natural are positively corrrelated unless they experience it themselves...like a doubting Thomas. You can pull out every proof and blood test there is to say you are natural and prove it...some will argue forever because they don't want to believe you. If you show them red, they will say it's blue. They have no vision...no faith...they cannot see. A reaction of disbelief tells me more about someone who disbelieves than it does about someone big being natural.
Why should Serge tell the truth here when no one wants to hear it and then gives him more and more grief than if he says nothing at all. The worst part is that a Bodybuilding Legend who is many times World Champion would come in here to donate his time for free and then have anyone talk to him so disrespectfully...truly unbelievable. It is not this way at other boards, where people spend the first half of their post thanking Serge for his time and are nervous to talk to him. Serge, you should go back to charging Olympic athletes money for your training, time and advice because you are treated much better than when you give it for free, some people don't value it then because it doesn't cost them anything.
Serge, I know you stay for the few who don't have money who may want to actually learn something, but it may not be worth it to you to be treatedly badly. There is a story about Jesus Christ healing people on a Sunday...the pharasees didn't see that he was helping someone and that a sick person was grateful for it. All they knew is that he broke their rules and they didn't like it...well...the rules here for you, Serge, are that you cannot agree, disagree, say yes, no, or anything or stay quiet either regarding talking about steroids--you will still be a$$holed and accused of lying or hiding something no matter what you say...or do not say. You cannot win, my friend. You lose just by standing there.
Everything happened just as I said it would...lol. I predicted what would happen...and people went ahead and did it. Except, I am the one who said Serge was natural, Serge didn't say a thing. I shouldn't have said it, because look at some of the people coming forward who tell Serge who and what he is now....criticizing a bodybuilding legend and arguing because he says nothing here except "how can I help you?"
Sure, there are some bb over 65 who took steroids who are still alive, but many have organ damage and look like your fat uncle, they don't look like Serge who looks better than the guys here who are 35. Which guy on your list has guest posed at 65 other than Serge? Once someone is off steroids, the muscle is gone in a New York Minute...look at Craig Titus and Kelley. It's gone. Compare it to a natural. During his acting career, when Steve trained for his movie roles/ lift weights for one month in the spring, it would stay for the rest of the year while he was busy/made the movies. In other words, the effects of natural last longer. You can see it in a bodybuilding line up of guys over 50. When someone says Serge can't look that way without steroids, they are saying that Serge is dumb enough to take steroids at age 65 (to risk ruining his organs and shorten his life just for one day of guest posing)...and then lucky enough to live through it. They are also saying he took steroids every year for 50 years because he looked like a champion every day of his entire life. No one can do that and live.
I don't mean to show any disrespect, but it bothers me when someone shows Serge disrespect, because if anyone here deserves to be treated well, it is Serge Nubret...one of (if not THE) best physique the world has ever known. Whether a person agrees or disagrees, we owe him the courtesy of being nice to him and grateful to him for sharing his time here with us and wanting to help.
i have no doubt whatsoever that one can get big whilst staying natural so please spare me all your stories about your friends, cousins, uncle's mother's cousin, blah blah.
getting freaky big, cut and in olympia contest condition is a whole different ball game.
get your
insert relative here competitive on a mr olympia stage and i'll be an instant believer!
i didn't think so.
look, all due respect to serge, seriously. i really don't want to offend serge, he is doing a great service posting on get big. he doesn't want to discuss the issue and i DO respect that, but it was you that opened this whole discussion up and it is you that i am pointing out a few realities to.
last time i checked, zane, arnold, franco, padilla, draper, pearl, etc weren't big fat guys with organ damage, but then maybe YOU know more than me about this. you seem to have knowledge of organ damage without having to perform a biopsy, xray, hell, you don't even actually have to see the guy to KNOW such things.
apparently you're an expert on the 'look' of a drug user, can speak truths on behalf of other grown men (even when they don't want you to) and now you're an adviser re serge's business interests/hobbies ie posting on a message board.
i don't know you from a bar of soap but, taking all the aforementioned into account, you're either a liar, obtuse or your serge's siamese twin. which one is it?