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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #150 on: December 06, 2006, 06:10:23 AM »
Alexxx is the greatest and is owning the shit out of half the board now.

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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #151 on: December 06, 2006, 06:10:51 AM »
Who's better than Jay Cutler?  How many people think if we stuck Jay in a time machine and put him onstage at the 1991 olympia he'd win it?  Nothing againts Jay cause I believe he did what he had to do to win by todays standards but he wouldn't win back in 91.  The standards are screwed up to say the least.  Ronnie and Jay who by all accounts are the 2 top guys right now have no taper what so ever, it's like looking at a fridge with arms and legs.  Yeah they're both 300lbs, big whoop they don't fit the model of what history has dictated a mr. o should look like.  Dorian did up to a point then the standards started to change, Ronnie kinda broought it back with his first 2 wins but over the last 5 years or so it went out the window.  Who fits the standard of what I believe a mr. o should look like?  There are guys who didn't even make the top 15 who meet a bunch of the criteria Ronnie Rockel comes to mind so does Dave Henry. 

Look at Darrem Charles.  Think about this, Darrem was an also ran for years.  He's worked really hard and I don't want to take anything away from him but no way should this guy be winning as many pro shows as he is.  The over-all quality of pro's these days is waaay down.  Same with Gunther, this guy has improved but if he showed up in the exact same shape as he was in when he placed 4th at the olympia for a show 15 years ago he'd still get buried.  Structurally he just would not be able to stand on stage with guys like Haney, Labrada, Christian etc. 

Markus Ruhl is almost a perfect example of what's wrong with BB right now.  Look at pics of him from when he made his pro debut, he was incredible, ripped, seperated, big, hard...the structure was off but he was impressive non the less.  Look at him now....we've got a guy who's gigantic but that is at the expense of everything else, no symmetry, he's not seperated at all, not hard, not muscular-compared to a guy like Gaspari from 86ish.  Shouldn't he at least be able to match that standard?  he was hard as a rock at his pro debut...why not now?  Could Ronnie today walk out onstage and stand next to the guy who won the 98 olympia and hit a back shot?  No.  If you put Mark Dugdale onstge with alot of guys who were in the top 10 at the olympia who better meets the criteria of what a guy on the olympia stage should represent?  History dictates it's dugdale but he can't even qualify for the show and people wonder why we have threads about 21 year old guys who are winning open shows looking like they're 40.

There is hope....

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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #152 on: December 06, 2006, 06:20:01 AM »
There is hope....

where did he place at the O?  Not trying to be  smart ass I really don't know...
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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #153 on: December 06, 2006, 06:20:58 AM »
where did he place at the O?  Not trying to be  smart ass I really don't know...

16th........

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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #154 on: December 06, 2006, 06:23:58 AM »
There is hope....

There was hope then the judges placed him behind King Kamila at the Montreal Pro, man that was a joke.

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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #155 on: December 06, 2006, 06:27:41 AM »
There was hope then the judges placed him behind King Kamila at the Montreal Pro, man that was a joke.

ok, then lets get a judge to come on here and explain that.  Let's get Bob to try to get Steve W on here and go over exactly what criteria Kamali met that Dennis Wolf did not at that show.  hell, let's get bob to do it.
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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #156 on: December 06, 2006, 06:33:49 AM »
ok, then lets get a judge to come on here and explain that.  Let's get Bob to try to get Steve W on here and go over exactly what criteria Kamali met that Dennis Wolf did not at that show.  hell, let's get bob to do it.

I think that was talked to death around that time.  What I would like to see is lists of judges who are judging the shows and have them list any conflicts of interest with the competitors they are judging. Is this available anywhere? I know it is in the IFBB rules somewhere.

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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #157 on: December 06, 2006, 06:39:46 AM »
I think that was talked to death around that time.  What I would like to see is lists of judges who are judging the shows and have them list any conflicts of interest with the competitors they are judging. Is this available anywhere? I know it is in the IFBB rules somewhere.

shouldn't a judge have to show on a regular basis that they interpret the judging standards the way they are intended?  Yes there is some personal preference out there but if that preference goes againts anything that is relevent to the judging standards shouldn't it be questioned? 
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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #158 on: December 06, 2006, 06:43:43 AM »
It would be great if BBing went back to the days of small waists, great tapers, but to pack on the muscle alot of these guys have, your waist is going to grow. Not to mention the supposed "GH gut" problem. I think unless the judges change their criteria and pick guys with better waists and more balanced bodies, then we'll continue to see versions of Jay Cutler and probably worse for years to come.

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« Reply #159 on: December 06, 2006, 06:52:02 AM »
If I would juice I would become mr. Olympia and not that fake one they give away to the old farts!

Then by all means, JUICE! Spare us having to look at your natural physique.  :-*

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« Reply #160 on: December 06, 2006, 07:00:33 AM »
hahahaha, too bad i was offline for most of this Chick vs. Alexxx comparison it sounds like it was a lot of fun but as much as i like Alexxx, Bob totally destroyed him at 15.

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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #161 on: December 06, 2006, 07:06:35 AM »
Yes. This guy has unbelievable future. When i saw him on stage of sant susana. i felt that.
With this mass, who can maintain this tiny waist?

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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #162 on: December 06, 2006, 07:12:28 AM »
All I see is big wheels and small everything else.

Like Alexxx, minus the wheels. :)

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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #163 on: December 06, 2006, 07:15:02 AM »

Yeah.Alexx is unbelievably stupid that try to compete against genetic freaks who earned pro card.
Alexx, i recommend you to see some local show and many young kids own you easily and almost all of them cant earn pro card. You dont know what the pro card means.

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« Reply #164 on: December 06, 2006, 07:29:31 AM »
You're one whacked out mother fucker, aren't you?

Chick meet Alexx

BTW  His physic would blow you off the stage.
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« Reply #165 on: December 06, 2006, 07:34:26 AM »
Very well follow my lead!

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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #166 on: December 06, 2006, 07:45:28 AM »
You're right...thats the point. BALANCE.

That is what i call symmetry.

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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #167 on: December 06, 2006, 09:06:35 AM »
The judges today rewards Kamali, who suffers from Palumboism stage 2b, all smallish arms and big gut of him, over Cicherillo.

What else needs to be said?


Maybe the fact that Cicherillo seems to be content with it all...


That's how fcuked up it all is. :'(

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You knowwhat I find funny? The fact that when I was hitting the circuit in 2002-03-04...when I brought up this very issue...I was met with "quit whining...", stop complaining...", "just take whatever placing they give you like a man..." right here on this board.

And the only thing I was complaining about was being COMPARED. Having the ability to stand next to guys I had just beaten, or that we had gone back and forth in placings...


To answer someone else's question asked in this thread...Yes, I have my own ideal of what a Mr. Olympia is supposed to look like...and the physique in general. Unfortunately, it doesn't match up with what the judges are looking for. I brought that to the table at the 02 Olympia and was rewarded with a 18th place finish, behind MANY guys with large waists, bad symmetry, obvious synthol use, etc....

This has been the problem with modern BB...the judging dictates that a BB like myself have to sacrifice the small waists and attention to symmetry in order to place higher...I wasn't willing to do that.

It's no different in the womens BB...there is a direct blame to be placed on the judging criteria for rewarding the very look that wins, but isn't maketable.

In effect, the judging itself is the very thing that keeps rewarding the physiques, that don't allow the sport to progress...talk about a paradox.


Change has been slow, but much better since Jim took over. I do what I can to bring these ideals to light, and have had pretty good success with making the change that's necessary to bring BB to where it shod be...

All that being said... I think it obvious this guy Alexx is mentally challenged.

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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #168 on: December 06, 2006, 10:14:24 AM »
ohh shut up alex...your just jealous cuz he is 5 times bigger than your 98lbs weak ass..jay cutler owns bodybuildng..
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« Reply #169 on: December 06, 2006, 10:22:04 AM »
Bob:

Who do you feel best exemplifies the ideal Olympia physique right now?

I think Jay is a very deserving winner of the O...I do prefer his physique with a smaller waist.

I also like Victor, Gustavo as very complete Bodybuilders...same applies there for both, when the waistlines are in check, they are far more impressive.

Phil Heath could also be that guy who has the best of both worlds...Toney Freeman has also emerged as a good candidate...tight waist (especially for a big man) nice x-frame...


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« Reply #170 on: December 06, 2006, 10:30:49 AM »
I think Jay is a very deserving winner of the O...I do prefer his physique with a smaller waist.

I also like Victor, Gustavo as very complete Bodybuilders...same applies there for both, when the waistlines are in check, they are far more impressive.

Phil Heath could also be that guy who has the best of both worlds...Toney Freeman has also emerged as a good candidate...tight waist (especially for a big man) nice x-frame...



Bob,

this has probably been asked before but do you think that the quality of physiques on the mr. O stage has improved or digressed since the early-mid 90's.

I just find it hard to believe that darrem Charles is winning shows these days when he couldn't make the top 10 back in the day to save his life-no offense to Darrrem personally.
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« Reply #171 on: December 06, 2006, 10:41:10 AM »
Personally, I liked the look of the 90's better than today...I also think there was more depth of quality physiques.

You also have to take into account that Dareem has improved much along that timeline...it's not fair to assume that he has stayed the same, yet is now winning shows.

He has deserved all his wins, and has worked very hard, competing more than any other pro currently on the circuit...many of the pro's Dareem started competing against, have long since retired...


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« Reply #172 on: December 06, 2006, 10:48:20 AM »
Personally, I liked the look of the 90's better than today...I also think there was more depth of quality physiques.

You also have to take into account that Dareem has improved much along that timeline...it's not fair to assume that he has stayed the same, yet is now winning shows.

He has deserved all his wins, and has worked very hard, competing more than any other pro currently on the circuit...many of the pro's Dareem started competing against, have long since retired...



if Darrem stepped onstage back in 91-92 with his current look I thik he'd still be an also ran.  I don't see him beating any of the top guys from back then, he is better and has improved but I think he's winning more because the overall quality of guys is down compared to what it used to be.  Same with Gunther.  I'll give both guys props casue they've busted thier asses to improve and are much better than they were but honestly I don't think they could stand onstage with haney, yates, Taylor, Labrada, Ray or sonny Schmidt circa 91.
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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #173 on: December 06, 2006, 10:54:38 AM »
Here's another at 15...

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Re: CURRENT COMPETITORS THAT ARE BETTER THAN CUTLER?
« Reply #174 on: December 06, 2006, 11:18:17 AM »
Alexxx=Most delusional GetBigger.

Dude, you're lean and in good condition, no doubt.  But you're making an ass out of yourself.  And get rid of the facial hair until you're old enough to grow it in fully...you look like a freakin' child molester. 

Oh, and the ''Getting Girls" challenge to Bob...  We've seen the gals he dates/marries, and I daresay these girls are more likely to be seen in your 'spank bank' than the passenger seat of your car.