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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #100 on: December 11, 2006, 09:50:43 AM »
Irrelevant, as unimportant as gauging Schwarzenegger by recent pics.

Agreed. In his prime, Mentzer was one of the best out there. He approached bodybuilding from a scientific angle and produce major results. Moreso when he was out of the limelight himself.

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #101 on: December 11, 2006, 09:59:05 AM »
I am going back to volume at the advice of a few people whose opinions I highly regard here.  Being a hardgainer ectomorph I found my best results then and with proper nutrition I think I can get the gains I want.  I think certain bodt types need to be pushed to the limit like that. 

so your an ecto and you feel that volume training would get you best results?  If it's posted here sorry but I'd like to see what you were doing if you were doing HIT.  seems alot of the concepts are tailor made for the ecto....
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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #102 on: December 11, 2006, 10:17:39 AM »
I just don't feel like my muscles get worked.  When I went through a good muscle spurt back in the day it was because of volume and a shit load of eating.  I'm sure I could try it out again but I dunno...

post an example of what your doing and what your eating and maybe we can find the problem...
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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #103 on: December 11, 2006, 10:29:14 AM »
There are usually a number of different approaches that will work for anyone, once they've been discovered. Most don't try enough alternatives to find out which ones, therefore assume that only one approach works. A little experimentation's a huge advantage. Another good approach is to tailor slight variations into existing programs, to see which works best.

The other factor is motivation-if two approaches work but one is much more appealing to do long-term, that's the one to use. The only caveat: there may be other approaches out there that are equally appealing that haven't yet been tried.

Volume as an example: moderate sets with more effective use of each set using higher intensity can be as or more effective, while still being similar enough to appeal to volume trainers. Some who've used volume might appreciate moderate volume even more because there's more intensity & workouts aren't as drawn-out. From experience, i can't say that standard volume proved any discernible advantage over moderate volume, was just more work and more time-consuming. Volume might help when refining for a contest.

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #104 on: December 11, 2006, 11:33:03 AM »
Agreed. In his prime, Mentzer was one of the best out there. He approached bodybuilding from a scientific angle and produce major results.
And Arnold not?? ::) :P Moron :o

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #105 on: December 11, 2006, 12:00:58 PM »
And Arnold not?? ::) :P Moron :o
You didn't pay attention to the context. He was referring to the criticism of Mentzer, so obviously your hero wouldn't need to be mentioned. Silly

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #106 on: December 11, 2006, 12:23:14 PM »
Pump:

I haven't read much about your position but what is about Arnold that you don't like beside the fact that you mentioned he was pompous?
Great guy. More interesting than most public figures. Also an a-hole. Weren't you the one who confirmed the stories about him demanding to have stores closed in LA so that he could shop in private? Anyway, he's interesting as well as personally a load at times; both behaviors were seen by voters in the last year.

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« Reply #107 on: December 11, 2006, 01:33:20 PM »
i like Arnold's style of training a little better, most people will get bigger than with the HIT method if enough calories are consumed, most people can't generate enough intensity for HIT to work.

I agree with that. I don't think most people really train to failure. Its too painful. Even many who say they are training to failure aren't. It takes a lot of willpower to keep doing negatives and shit like that.
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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #108 on: December 11, 2006, 01:38:14 PM »
well it's a step up for pumpster, he used to work his whole body with one of these:



I would use the Bullworker if she was included with it.
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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #109 on: December 11, 2006, 01:40:42 PM »
Who won the 72 Olympia  :D

Arnold. But it was a gift. Sergio Oliva was the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived bar none.
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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #110 on: December 11, 2006, 01:41:52 PM »
The stuff Menzter says on the video make sense but he sound like a punch drunk boxer.

He was very sick. He actually died the night the video was made.
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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #111 on: December 11, 2006, 01:54:40 PM »
Arnold. But it was a gift. Sergio Oliva was the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived bar none.
Sureeeeeeeeeeeeee  ::)

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #112 on: December 11, 2006, 02:33:12 PM »
I agree with that. I don't think most people really train to failure. Its too painful. Even many who say they are training to failure aren't. It takes a lot of willpower to keep doing negatives and shit like that.
Any serious BB should be able to at least train to positive failure at the least, which would allow moderate volume to be used instead of classic 20+ set volume with little intensity. Moderate volume's intense in good ways without being gruelling the way HIT is.

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #113 on: December 11, 2006, 03:01:23 PM »
He was very sick. He actually died the night the video was made.
Years of meth/speed abuse did not help him.

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #114 on: December 11, 2006, 03:10:12 PM »
Pump:

I haven't read much about your position but what is about Arnold that you don't like beside the fact that you mentioned he was pompous?

His problem with Arnold is he beat Sergio and pumpster doesn't think thats right , pumpster thinks that Arnold could never beat Sergio without the Weider's fixing the contests  ::)

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #115 on: December 11, 2006, 03:28:12 PM »
His problem with Arnold is he beat Sergio and pumpster doesn't think thats right , pumpster thinks that Arnold could never beat Sergio without the Weider's fixing the contests  ::)

ND proving over & over again to have no life, following pumpster around other threads like a fag. Even i'm embarassed for him at this point. :-X

He's obsessed with Schwarzenegger over Oliva, even after i told him it was a toss-up, one not clearly better than the other. I  mentioned that Serge Nubret saw it the same way, next thing you know ND's on Nubret's thread, unable to second-guess anything i've said about those BBs and BB politics because it's true & confirmed by Nubret.

With nothing to say, ND goes on and on in mindless fashion like a spurned BEEEOTCH looking for a relationship.  :-*

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #116 on: December 11, 2006, 03:49:51 PM »
Mentzer uses logic instead of reasearched science as proof and foundation of his training methodology.

That is where it all goes wrong.

He should get a lot of credit for turning people's attention for the need of recovery, although he quite probably didn't have it all right (Mentzer didn't believe in training until you were fully recovered).

Research shows that the muscle can be trained while still recovering.

Also, there is the possibility of training with different levels of intensity.

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #117 on: December 11, 2006, 03:58:59 PM »
ND proving over & over again to have no life, following pumpster around other threads like a fag. Even i'm embarassed for him at this point. :-X

He's obsessed with Schwarzenegger over Oliva, even after i told him it was a toss-up. I  mentioned that Serge Nubret saw it the same way, next thing you know ND's on Nubret's thread, unable to second-guess the veracity of what i'd said about those BBs and BB politics, because it's accurate.

With nothing to say, he just goes on and on in mindless fashion like a spurned BEEEOTCH looking for a relationship. hahahahaahahahah


Pumpster has issued a challenge to all comers he will pay ANYONE $100 if they can bench 410 pounds power-rods on the Bow Flex for 15 full consecutive reps , true story !!


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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #118 on: December 11, 2006, 04:03:58 PM »

Pumpster has issued a challenge to all comers he will pay ANYONE $100 if they can bench 410 pounds power-rods on the Bow Flex for 15 full consecutive reps , true story !!



The offer was only made to this puzzy, who refused to take the money because he weighs 155 lb., couldn't do it and instead spends his free time on a BB site following men around. :-*

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #119 on: December 11, 2006, 04:10:45 PM »
The offer was only made to this puzzy, who refused to take the money because he weighs 155 lb., couldn't do it and instead spends his free time on a BB site following men around. :-*

I said I'll take your cash , you post a video of you doing it first and then I'll take your cash.

pumpster benches 410 pounds for 15 reps lmfao

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #120 on: December 11, 2006, 04:17:41 PM »

ND hijacking yet another thread with more lies-he simply refused to accept the offer..*yawn*...


Anyone interested in Bowflexes ND sells em, PM him for details..

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #121 on: December 11, 2006, 04:27:53 PM »
ND hijacking yet another thread with more lies-he simply refused to accept the offer..*yawn*...


Anyone interested in Bowflexes ND sells em, PM him for details..

Post a video on YouTube of you benching 410 pounds for 15 full consecutive reps and I'll take your C-note , I doubt you can do it first of all and I want proof lets go sport , put your money where your mouth is.  ;)

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #122 on: December 11, 2006, 04:30:01 PM »
ND out of touch, doesn't comprehend that his thread hijacks are lame..unfunny & no one cares. ;D Puzzy missed his chance when he backed down from the challenge.


ND is currently running a pre-Xmas sale on Bowflexes and Gazelles...PM him for details..

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #123 on: December 11, 2006, 04:33:54 PM »
Back on track.  I still think volume takes alot out of the body.  Wouldn't you guys consider the training of Olympic athletes to be intense?  They are long and grueling, jus tlike Arnold's workouts.

Can't believe you're asking this..How are the workouts long and gruelling? In track, sprinters have the most size. They're doing something in the middle-high intensity for good but not excessive volume. Higher volume wouldn't work because of the intensity.

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Re: ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER OR MIKE MENTZER? REGARDING TRAINING!
« Reply #124 on: December 11, 2006, 04:35:10 PM »
ND out of touch, doesn't comprehend that his thread hijacks are lame..unfunny & no one cares. ;D Puzzy missed his chance when he backed down from the challenge.


ND is currently running a pre-Xmas sale on Bowflexes and Gazelles...PM him for details..

This is your house slick NOT mine this is your Bow Flex lol you know the one you said you can bench 410 pounds on for 15 reps lol

put your money where your mouth is .  ;)