Treasonous Officer Just Can't Keep His Mouth Shut

[Dos Equis]

i understand the charges and the agreement he took on.  i just didn't feel like reading 5 pages of an evolving story when someone with knowledge could summarize why the case might not go thru.

thanks for answering my request with an assumption. 

[chuckle]

Re: Treasonous Officer Just Can't Keep His Mouth Shut
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2006, 05:10:21 PM » Quote 

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Beach Bum calling another American our for being "treasonous", for using his first amendment rights.

incredible.

 

[240 is Back]

you're a perrrrrrrvert.

stop following my december posts, short eyes!

[Dos Equis]

you're a perrrrrrrvert.

stop following my december posts, short eyes!

It's on page one of this thread.  Second post (I think).  You can't even keep up with your own gibberish.   

Like I said, someone explain this whole First Amendment thing to 240.  He's struggling a bit. 

[240 is Back]

Can someone summarize in one sentence why watada might beat the rap?  5 pages of whining, eh...

Beach Bum,

I asked why the case is falling apart.

I didn't ask why he's charged, I asked why he might walk on the charges. 

Perhaps you got some dirt on your reading glasses while rummaging thru my garbage

[Dos Equis]

Beach Bum,

I asked why the case is falling apart.

I didn't ask why he's charged, I asked why he might walk on the charges. 

Perhaps you got some dirt on your reading glasses while rummaging thru my garbage

  Two lawyers on both sides of the issue already explained their views on the potential double jeopardy issue in the article I posted this morning.     But they're actually talking about facts, which you have trouble with.  You do much better with fanciful theories. 

And sure you understand the First Amendment issues here:  "Beach Bum calling another American our for being "treasonous", for using his first amendment rights.  incredible."

[chuckle]

[240 is Back]

  Two lawyers on both sides of the issue already explained their views on the potential double jeopardy issue in the article I posted this morning.     But they're actually talking about facts, which you have trouble with.  You do much better with fanciful theories. 

And sure you understand the First Amendment issues here:  "Beach Bum calling another American our for being "treasonous", for using his first amendment rights.  incredible."

[chuckle]

1) extremely weird for a 40+ year old man to be chuckling after trudging up old threads of a stranger, but I'll just chalk that up to your postcoital bliss and wish you well in your journey to the brown side...

2) Thank you for writing 4 sentences on why I'm so stupid, and zero sentences on why the case against this guy might fall apart.

3)  Can anyone else summarize why the case is falling apart? 

[Dos Equis]

[chuckle]

 

[Tre]

2) Thank you for writing 4 sentences on why I'm so stupid, and zero sentences on why the case against this guy might fall apart.

3)  Can anyone else summarize why the case is falling apart? 

I haven't heard this from any of the legal wizards yet. 

Unlike a civilian court, there's no unwritten 'you-must-understand-these-charges-to-the-letter-or-we-can't-prosecute-you' clause in the military justice system.  Contradictory to my earlier statement, I think the ONLY reason you saw a mistrial here was the fact that there was so much media attention and because the war is so unpopular with - now - a majority of Americans. 

My word is this - if this had happened back in 2003, when so many people were (wrongly) on the pro-war bandwagon, they would've corrected the paperwork and resumed the trial the following day. 

As the law is currently written, he must be found guilty and must be sentenced accordingly.  I do not dispute that.  I would, however, like to see the laws changed, but anyone who is in or who has served in the military understands why things operate the way that they do.   


   

[G o a t b o y]

about the UCMJ or the First Amendment. 

That's why I would never serve in the military.  You are essentially required to give up several of your constitutional rights and freedoms during your term of service.

[Dos Equis]

I haven't heard this from any of the legal wizards yet. 

Unlike a civilian court, there's no unwritten 'you-must-understand-these-charges-to-the-letter-or-we-can't-prosecute-you' clause in the military justice system.  Contradictory to my earlier statement, I think the ONLY reason you saw a mistrial here was the fact that there was so much media attention and because the war is so unpopular with - now - a majority of Americans. 

My word is this - if this had happened back in 2003, when so many people were (wrongly) on the pro-war bandwagon, they would've corrected the paperwork and resumed the trial the following day. 

As the law is currently written, he must be found guilty and must be sentenced accordingly.  I do not dispute that.  I would, however, like to see the laws changed, but anyone who is in or who has served in the military understands why things operate the way that they do.   


   

I highly doubt Watada didn't understand the charges and what he was admitting.  He is represented by both military and civilian counsel.  But I agree the only reason the prosecutors agreed to a mistrial was due to the publicity of this case. 

[Dos Equis]

That's why I would never serve in the military.  You are essentially required to give up several of your constitutional rights and freedoms during your term of service.

True.  You better explain that to 240. . . . .

[Tre]

That's why I would never serve in the military.  You are essentially required to give up several of your constitutional rights and freedoms during your term of service.

Junior enlisted have fewer rights than incarcerated felons. 

[Tre]

I highly doubt Watada didn't understand the charges and what he was admitting.  He is represented by both military and civilian counsel.  But I agree the only reason the prosecutors agreed to a mistrial was due to the publicity of this case. 

Indeed - the guy isn't an idiot.  I hope that neither he nor his lawyers thinks that playing these little word games is going to do anything but to delay the inevitable...and at taxpayer expense.

[Dos Equis]

Junior enlisted have fewer rights than incarcerated felons. 

Junior enlisted have the same rights, but far fewer privileges.  It's almost like a caste system.  

[The Squadfather]

hahahahaha, sounds like all you military and pro military knuckle dragging neanderthal meatheads are just angry that this great man had the balls to stand up and say what he feels instead of you cowardly robots.

[Dos Equis]

Hahahahaha.   

[24KT]

That's why I would never serve in the military.  You are essentially required to give up several of your constitutional rights and freedoms during your term of service.

Does no one see a strange dis-connect here?

Your oath is to defend the Constitution and the rights it confers to people... with your life if necessary,
...however you are required to give up your rights under the constitution to do it?

[24KT]

Junior enlisted have the same rights, but far fewer privileges.  It's almost like a caste system.  

Isn't the freedom of speech considered a right, and not merely a priviledge?

[240 is Back]

hahahahaha, sounds like all you military and pro military knuckle dragging neanderthal meatheads are just angry that this great man had the balls to stand up and say what he feels instead of you cowardly robots.

there will be many more, as they come home and learn the Pentagon MADE UP the threat of WMD to start a war for Cheney and bush.

[Dos Equis]

Isn't the freedom of speech considered a right, and not merely a priviledge?

It's a right with many exceptions.  "Fighting words" are not protected speech.  You cannot walk up to your boss, cuss her out, claim "free speech," and keep your job.  You cannot yell "fire!" in a crowded theater.  You cannot say whatever you want when you're in the military.  Disrespecting your superior officer can land you in jail.  Anyone who signs up knows this.  And in our all-volunteer military, if you don't want to check your First Amendment (and other) rights at the door, don't sign up.  And you really shouldn't sign up DURING a war, like Watada did. 

[24KT]

It's a right

[rest of Beachbum's BS deflective unrelated argument snipped for the sake of the reader's sanity.]

[Dos Equis]

[rest of Beachbum's BS deflective unrelated argument snipped for the sake of the reader's sanity.]

Are you serious?  You have to be joking?  So, um, Jag next time you see a police officer walk up and cuss him out, and make sure you use a racial slur when doing so.  When you are arrested, make your First Amendment argument.    

[24KT]

Are you serious?  You have to be joking?  So, um, Jag next time you see a police officer walk up and cuss him out, and make sure you use a racial slur when doing so.  When you are arrested, make your First Amendment argument.    

Idiot, I'm in Canada. The 1^st. Amendment doesn't apply. American law does not rule up here ...yet 
Sorry racial slurs aren't my thing. FYI, I have cussed out cops, and was not arrested for it. I didn't break the law.

[tu_holmes]

Idiot, I'm in Canada. The 1^st. Amendment doesn't apply. American law does not rule up here ...yet 
Sorry racial slurs aren't my thing. FYI, I have cussed out cops, and was not arrested for it. I didn't break the law.

There is a law in certain states called "Curse and Abuse" that cops can charge you with if they desire... HOWEVER, many States have overturned that law due to it being the antithesis of the 1st Amendment and I believe that many states have overturned that law on that basis.

It is not unlawful to curse at a cop... However, if he's stopped you for a reason and you DO curse at him... I guarantee that whatever the charge is that he stated he stopped you for will somehow be proven or at least he will have enough evidence to charge you, even if you're not found guilty.

It's not illegal, however, it is pretty stupid... Unless you have a video camera... Then it's probably gonna be a lot better...


Unless he bashes your camera in of course.

[24KT]

Oh I wouldn't be stupid enough to cuss out a cop who's just pulled me over. {lol}.
I do stupid things sometimes, but that's a level of stupidity I'll leave to others.