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Re: Yuri Vlasov the idol of Arnold Shwarzzgn ( can't spell )
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2006, 11:08:53 AM »
Idi na divan sas svoim drugam!
shaber tebiya zhdeot bezhrebetnik otsosniy, a poka obshaisya sam s soboy na lomonom russkom shpak zapomoiniy
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« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2006, 11:13:30 AM »
shaber tebiya zhdeot bezhrebetnik otsosniy, a poka obshaisya sam s soboy na lomonom russkom shpak zapomoiniy
I quit

At the rate you are going you would do a 3rd grade russian schooler proud. 8)
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« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2006, 11:14:07 AM »
How can someone like Reg Park be an idol to someone? Yuri Vlasov was equally compared to the likes of Yuri Gagarin and there an unknown someone named Reg Park. Reg can be a good man but be an idol? Only to close loved ones, doubt it. Don't believe the media and the a the hollywood you are so naive).

excuse me, your lack of knowledge of bodybuilding history is showing.  to a European, in the 1950s and 1960s, Reg Park was the biggest thing in bodybuilding, the Arnold of his day.  He was even a big thing in the US.   And besides being the top bodybuilder, he was a successful publisher and movie star.

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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2006, 11:17:57 AM »
excuse me, your lack of knowledge of bodybuilding history is showing.  to a European, in the 1950s and 1960s, Reg Park was the biggest thing in bodybuilding, the Arnold of his day.  He was even a big thing in the US.   And besides being the top bodybuilder, he was a successful publisher.

Reg Park was decent at best!
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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2006, 11:21:25 AM »
excuse me, your lack of knowledge of bodybuilding history is showing.  to a European, in the 1950s and 1960s, Reg Park was the biggest thing in bodybuilding, the Arnold of his day.  He was even a big thing in the US.   And besides being the top bodybuilder, he was a successful publisher.
That's great.


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« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2006, 11:32:28 AM »
Yuri Vlasov was a world champion Olympic Lifter, he won the Olympic Gold in 1960 and Silver in 1964. I'm not surprised if he beat Arnold in arm wrestling.

Park was probably one of the greatest drug-free bodybuilders of all time.

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« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2006, 11:39:44 AM »
Yuri Vlasov was a world champion Olympic Lifter, he won the Olympic Gold in 1960 and Silver in 1964. I'm not surprised if he beat Arnold in arm wrestling.

Park was probably one of the greatest drug-free bodybuilders of all time.
OF course he was setting the world reckords right?

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« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2006, 11:45:58 AM »
excuse me, your lack of knowledge of bodybuilding history is showing.  to a European, in the 1950s and 1960s, Reg Park was the biggest thing in bodybuilding, the Arnold of his day.  He was even a big thing in the US.   And besides being the top bodybuilder, he was a successful publisher and movie star.

Yuri Petrovich Vlasov was born in 1935. He was the superheavyweight world champ in weight-lifting (1959, 1961, 1962, 1963), Olympic superheavyweight champ (1960), silver medalist (1964). He set many weight-lifting records and was nicknamed "the strongest man on Earth". Yuri Vlasov was young Arnold Schwarzenegger's role model.
Graduate of the Zhukovsky Air-Force Engineering Academy (1959), Yuri Vlasov became a writer. Books: "Overcome Yourself" (1964), "White Moment" (1972), "Special Region of China" (1973), "Salty Joys" (1976), "Justice of Force" (1989), "Yenan Connection" (1989), "Fiery Cross" (1992), etc.
What Mr Reg Park actually has published?


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« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2006, 11:47:13 AM »
brutal 15 inch arms.

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Re: Yuri Vlasov the idol of Arnold Swarzzneger
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2006, 11:51:31 AM »

Yuri Petrovich Vlasov was born in 1935. He was the superheavyweight world champ in weight-lifting (1959, 1961, 1962, 1963), Olympic superheavyweight champ (1960), silver medalist (1964). He set many weight-lifting records and was nicknamed "the strongest man on Earth". Yuri Vlasov was young Arnold Schwarzenegger's role model.
Graduate of the Zhukovsky Air-Force Engineering Academy (1959), Yuri Vlasov became a writer. Books: "Overcome Yourself" (1964), "White Moment" (1972), "Special Region of China" (1973), "Salty Joys" (1976), "Justice of Force" (1989), "Yenan Connection" (1989), "Fiery Cross" (1992), etc.
What Mr Reg Park actually has published?



You can actually buy the movie version of "Salty Joys" (1976) in the back room of most video stores.   You can get it shipped to you at home as well, indiscrete labeling of course.
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Re: Yuri Vlasov the idol of Arnold Swarzzneger
« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2006, 11:52:38 AM »
Yuri Petrovich Vlasov was born in 1935. He was the superheavyweight world champ in weight-lifting

Yuri was one of the best Olympic style weightlifter of his time.  Park was the best bodybuilder of his time.     Arnold was never a competitive weightlifter (he was the junior national champion in Curling, though). 

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the bodybuilding mag Reg Park Journal

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« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2006, 11:53:51 AM »
Park was probably one of the greatest drug-free bodybuilders of all time.

you have no evidence of that

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« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2006, 11:58:57 AM »
you have no evidence of that

Yes, I do. But I've gone over this a million times and I'm about as tired of it as I can get. I don't mean to be trite, but I always seem to get drawn into this conversation over and over. If you search around you'll find posts I've made on several boards (including this one IIRC) about this.

By the way, your name is very familiar to me. We've definitely "rubbed shoulders" before. Were you on the old Round Table several years ago?

I agree, this is comparing apples to oranges. Vlasov was one of the strongest men who ever lived. He ushered in the Soviet dominance of heavyweight Olympic Weightlifting (he was then surpassed by Leonid Zhabotinsky and then Vasili Alexeyev). Schwarzenegger and Park were two of the greatest, most dominant bodybuilders of their eras (and all-time). Apples and oranges.

Park also published a magazine called "Mr. Universe" in the early-50s, but it evolved into The Reg Park Journal of Physical Culture and then just The Reg Park Journal (which eventually got linked with Man's World). He also published several booklets.

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« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2006, 12:26:07 PM »
By the way, your name is very familiar to me. We've definitely "rubbed shoulders" before. Were you on the old Round Table several years ago?

no.  misc.fitness.weight, and of course musclememory.com

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« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2006, 01:10:14 PM »
misc.fitness.weight

Oh man, that must have been awhile ago! I actually forgot about that place. Is it still going?

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« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2006, 02:00:54 PM »
Oh man, that must have been awhile ago! I actually forgot about that place. Is it still going?

Yes, but it is a shell of its former self.

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« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2006, 05:58:31 PM »
a russian bodybuilding legend..should have worked his legs more tho

No, as a matter of fact, the Soviet Union’s Yuri Vlasov had absolutely nothing to do with bodybuilding and was strictly an Olympic weightlifter!  As a matter of fact, Vlasov’s leg development was absolutely massive(!) and he possessed tremendous core body strength and development (lower back/glutes/hips/thighs).  On the contrary, relative to his lower body development, Vlasov’s upper body development was relatively slender.

Peary Rader once commented in Iron Man Lifting News…"upon seeing Vlasov’s upper body, one wonders where he gets his tremendous strength, until you see his massive leg development" (words to the effect)!

In his 70's Yuri claims he lifts 185 kgs/407lbs. I guess its overhead.

While I am sure you guys are very knowledgeable on other aspects of the broad field of weight-training (e.g. BB and powerlifting), it is unfortunate that you guys are not knowledgeable of the great Yuri Vasov.  Vlasov totally dominated international Olympic heavyweight (now superheavyweight) weightlifting from 1959 through 1964.  During that time, he set no less than 34 world Olympic weightlifting records!!

The following website chronicles a history of Vlasov’s weightlifting records.  In those days, there were three (3) Olympic lifts (of course, all overhead lifts)…the two hand Olympic press, the two-hand snatch, and the two-hand clean and jerk…

http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/l_athleteResult.asp?a_id=290

From a review of these world records, you can see why Vlasov was a “hero”/role model to fans/admirers of Olympic weightlifting like Arnold and legions of aspiring Olympic weightlifters of that era (early 1960’s)!

While Paul Anderson was stronger than Vlasov, sadly, Anderson had turned professional in 1957 and, as a result, in those days (1950’s-1960’s) professionals were not allowed (inelgible) to compete in Olympic weightlifting, which was designated as an “amateur-only” competition.

Vlasov was also a practicing engineer and was the flag bearer for the Soviet Union’s Olympic team at the 1960 Olympics in Rome.

In the 1964 Olympic heavyweight (now superheavyweight) weightlifting competition, Vlasov was an absolute “sure thing” to win the gold medal a second time at Tokyo...but, he was shockingly “psyched-out”/”faked-out” by fellow countryman Leonid Zhabotinsky in one of the greatest “con jobs” and upsets in the history of the Olympic Games!

Briefly, it was a combination of Zhabotinsky faking an injured back in his next to his last clean and jerk attempt, hobbling off of the platform in apparent great pain, conceding the championship to Vlasov and even shaking his hand and congratulating him as the winner of the gold medal.  But, Zhabotinsky still had a remaining third attempt in the clean and jerk left!  And, Vlasov's overconfidence/arrogance...this combination apparently cost him the gold medal at Tokyo!

Vlasov, in his overconfidence, had allowed the weight on the bar to move up to 479 lbs. (a world record at the time).  Believing that Zhabotinsky was injured and finished in the competition, Vlasov cleaned the world record poundage of 479, but did not go all-out in the jerk and missed the lift. This was on Vlasov’s third and final attempt and he was finished in the competiton. 

All of a sudden, Zhabotinsky jumps up, his apparent injured back “miraculously healed”, and comes out and lifts the world record 479 lbs., in his remaining lone third attempt, to win the competition and “steal” the Olympic world heavyweight/superheavyweight gold medal/title from Vlasov!

Afterward, it is said that Vaslov threw his silver medal out a window and accused Zhabotinsky of poor sportsmanship with his deception!

Vlasov, after Olympic pressing a world record 435 lbs. and snatching a world record 380 lbs. (unfortunately on an extra 4th attempt that didn’t count in the competition!), had a full 11 lb. lead over Zhabotinsky going into the clean and jerk.  Vlasov was even the 'lighter man", so if Zhabotinsky was to win he had to not only make up this 11 lb. arrears, but lift an additional 5 lbs. to make up for his heavier bodyweight to actually win the competition!   

At the time, Vlasov held the world record in the clean and jerk at approx. 475 lbs. and could easily have taken this weight, or a slightly lesser weight, and thus have forced Zhabotinsky to take an “impossible” poundage (e.g. 486 lbs.) in an apparent vain effort to make up the 16 lbs. he needed for victory.

But, in Vlasov’s overconfidence (arrogance?) he jumped from a success with approx. 462 lbs. all the way up to the world record weight of 479 lbs.??! Thinking he had already won the gold medal as the result of Zhabotinsky’s deception/concession, Vlasov just did not give the 479 an all-out effort and it cost him the gold medal!!     



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« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2006, 08:58:30 PM »
Very nice post Richard2004,

...for the bodybuilding fans I have to add that Vlasov was suprisingly muscular (i.e. lean) for a heavyweight/superheavyweight. Granted he didn't have the big arms and upper body musculature of the modern drug-bloated bodybuilder, but, as you say, his quads and posterior chain were massive. Now, Zhabotinsky was a bona-fide monster in the "strongman" sense.

Yuri Vlasov....


Leonid Zhabotinsky...

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« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2006, 09:03:58 PM »
Very nice post Richard2004,

...for the bodybuilding fans I have to add that Vlasov was suprisingly muscular (i.e. lean) for a heavyweight/superheavyweight. Granted he didn't have the big arms and upper body musculature of the modern drug-bloated bodybuilder, but, as you say, his quads and posterior chain were massive. Now, Zhabotinsky was a bona-fide monster in the "strongman" sense.

Yuri Vlasov....


Leonid Zhabotinsky...


WOW he must get all the power from the legs!
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« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2006, 08:04:26 AM »
Very nice post Richard2004,

...for the bodybuilding fans I have to add that Vlasov was suprisingly muscular (i.e. lean) for a heavyweight/superheavyweight. Granted he didn't have the big arms and upper body musculature of the modern drug-bloated bodybuilder, but, as you say, his quads and posterior chain were massive. Now, Zhabotinsky was a bona-fide monster in the "strongman" sense.

Yuri Vlasov....


Leonid Zhabotinsky...


Casey, thanks for the great pics. of Vlasov and "Zhabo"...as I had searched the web for some but came up "empty-handed". 

I have several good pics. in old issues of Iron Man Lifting News and Strength and Health of both Vlasov and Zhabo...but need to get a scanner/digital camera to post them. 

As I recall, like you said "Zhabo" was a "monster' and at a height of approx. 6'-6" weighed some 360 lbs. and Vlasov (by comparison), by the '64 Tokyo Olympics weighed about 290-300 lbs. at about 6'-2". 

Vlasov was the first heavyweight/superheavyweight (with the possible exception of the much lighter John Davis) to have "washboard abs", and, as you stated had a relatively lean and muscular appearance, compared to other "superheavys" of that era (e.g. Anderson, Hepburn, Selvetti, Medvedyev...even Zhabo, and later, Alexeev, all who had large stomachs with considerable adipose tissue).

As you may know, Vlasov was an "intellectual" and was a member of Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev's "inner circle".  Khrushchev fell from power just as the '64 Tokyo Summer Olympics were in progress. 

Vlasov was/is highly intelligent and went on to become very active in Soviet/Russian politics and even wrote some books.  I understand he never spoke with "Zhabo" after his incident of "deception".  I believe Vlasov wrote about his experience at the '64 Olympics and Zhabo's "poor sportsmanship"...I would love to read it, someday!

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« Reply #45 on: December 23, 2006, 08:05:40 AM »
hahahaha, "posterior chain".

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« Reply #46 on: December 23, 2006, 08:17:50 AM »

man, now that's a fu*kin' shape

are you delusional?

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« Reply #47 on: December 23, 2006, 08:18:55 AM »
hahahahaha, look at those three dorks.

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« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2006, 08:23:51 AM »
hahahahaha, look at those three dorks.

hahaha they all put you to shame!
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« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2006, 08:25:26 AM »
hahaha they all put you to shame!
hahahaha, you're just sticking up for them because two of them are skinny Russian geeks like you.