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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2006, 12:59:25 AM »
Ronnie would get crushed.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2006, 01:07:07 AM »
He is strong but too short for some of the`` exercises`` of strongman competition.
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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2006, 01:12:03 AM »
Marius is only a few inches taller so i don't think height would be a problem as opposed to Coleman working on speed and agility as well as familiarity & exposure to each event.

I mentioned this to Brian Dobson a while back, as something to consider but only after BB retirement. The problem there of course that he'll probably be in his mid-late 40s. Not necessarily a major impediment though, lots of the strong men seem to be in their 30s or older.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2006, 01:14:33 AM »
This topic has been beaten to death already.  In my opinion, he would do allright in powerlifting but would get crushed in strongman due to the stamina issues he would have.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2006, 01:16:41 AM »
This topic has been beaten to death already.  In my opinion, he would do allright in powerlifting but would get crushed in strongman due to the stamina issues he would have.
As i said as a former linebacker, practice/familiarity with the events and speed, agility and endurance work would aclimate him to while lowering the weight, given sufficient prep time.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2006, 01:19:58 AM »
As i said, as a former linebacker with obvious athleticism, if he practiced the events and worked on speed and agility for a while, his weight would come down and stamina would improve given sufficient time to adjust and train for it.
He would get crushed beleive me.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2006, 01:21:53 AM »
He would get crushed beleive me.
Pure speculation; makes no sense that Columbu could do it and not Coleman; once an athlete always an athlete, given sufficient prep time and specific training.

There is no way to know in advance what his coordination, speed, etc. would be without doing it.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2006, 12:48:18 PM »
I think he would do okay but bear in mind most of these guys are well over 6 foot with wide frames to match. Ronnie would do okay in the static stuff but the more mobile events he wouldn't stand a chance. His lack of aerobic fitness woud sorely let him down.

Remember Curtis Leffler from a few years back tried it and failed miserably. I don't think he even make the final.


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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2006, 12:57:41 PM »
he would do okay in a few events, but he'd get absolutely demolished in any event that wasn't basically a barbell lift. i'd give him the deadlift, maybe the farmer's walk, the barrel squat. but he'll get killed in the fingers, the atlas stones, the log lift, the tire flip, anchor carry, etc.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2006, 01:03:05 PM »
He realisticly could be a little competitive if he trained for it at a time when he was in his early 40s.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2006, 01:12:56 PM »
The guy can't shave himself yet he'll able to complete in a strong man competition ???

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2006, 01:55:37 PM »
he would do okay in a few events, but he'd get absolutely demolished in any event that wasn't basically a barbell lift.
How do you know that?

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2006, 02:04:24 PM »
How do you know that?

because he doesn't train for the others, dingus. he's not the strongest in any of the main lifts, let alone in any of the goofy lifts they make strongman competitors do. just because he can heave-row 495 for a few and deadlift 805 with straps doesn't mean he'd be able to do the barrel throw or fingal fingers. Even the best powerlifters get their asses handed to them in strongman until they've been doing it for a while.

honestly i'd think his heavy reliance on straps would ruin him as well. he never does rows, shrugs, pulldowns, or deadlifts without straps, so his grip is probably shite.

ronnie coleman, weighing over 300 pounds ripped, has not one lift that would pass in a powerlifting competition. giving him the benefit of the doubt he might have a deadlift in the low 700s and a squat around the same, with maybe a 500 bench raw. Now a 1900 total isn't anything terrible, but consider brian siders.

siders is a guy who has a squat in the 800s, a 650 bench, and a dead also around the 800 mark, logging a total over 2300 in the NERB raw competition. his strongman performances have been good, but he's not going to fight mariusz any time soon. granted that's in a different strongman fed, and maybe ronnie would do all right in the other, but i doubt that as well since he just doesn't do those lifts.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2006, 02:22:00 PM »
because he doesn't train for the others, dingus.
Lame assumptions. You don't seem to comprehend that once an athlete, always an athlete. Stop with the assumptions that since he only lifts now, that's all he can do-those are your limitations, not his.

If he had time to bring the weight down, increase/work on speed and work on the specifics of the events, there's no reason not to think that he couldn't marry decent agility/speed with good strength.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2006, 02:32:26 PM »
I think if Ronnie trained for it for a reasonable period of time he could do very well. 

Frankly, I hope Ronnie reads this and decides to give it a try once he retires from bodybuilding.  I, for one, would LOVE to see it.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2006, 02:33:46 PM »
Lame assumptions. You don't seem to comprehend that once an athlete, always an athlete. Stop with the assumptions that since he only lifts now, that's all he can do-those are your limitations, not his.

If he had time to bring the weight down, increase/work on speed and work on the specifics of the events, there's no reason not to think that he couldn't marry decent agility/speed with good strength.

are you kidding me? you honestly think that because he's a pretty strong bodybuilder that he'd be able to beat the people who have trained for this and are the best at it? first off, he's in his 40s. it's not like he has half a decade to get good at the lifts. secondly, that means he's been training as he has for what, 20 years or so? he might be able to get pretty good at it, but i do not foresee ronnie coleman ever competing in the finals of a competition.

by your logic if any of the top powerlifters dieted down and started training for bodybuilding they'd compete in the olympia. bodybuilding and strongman have so little correlation in terms of training that even suggesting that being good at one means you'd be good at the other is like saying if i'm good at baseball i'd be good at tennis.

you ronnie dickriders need to stop acting like just because he's strong that means he could do literally anything. hey wait, i'll bet he'd be a great football lineman, too. bet he'd kick ass at hockey. and you know if he slimmed down to 215 or so he'd have the olympic record in the 100m dash.  ::)

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2006, 02:35:27 PM »
Blacks usually suck at the strongman contests. They have no stamina.
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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2006, 02:36:14 PM »
are you kidding me? you honestly think that because he's a pretty strong bodybuilder that he'd be able to beat the people who have trained for this and are the best at it? first off, he's in his 40s. it's not like he has half a decade to get good at the lifts. secondly, that means he's been training as he has for what, 20 years or so? he might be able to get pretty good at it, but i do not foresee ronnie coleman ever competing in the finals of a competition.

by your logic if any of the top powerlifters dieted down and started training for bodybuilding they'd compete in the olympia. bodybuilding and strongman have so little correlation in terms of training that even suggesting that being good at one means you'd be good at the other is like saying if i'm good at baseball i'd be good at tennis.

you ronnie dickriders need to stop acting like just because he's strong that means he could do literally anything. hey wait, i'll bet he'd be a great football lineman, too. bet he'd kick ass at hockey. and you know if he slimmed down to 215 or so he'd have the olympic record in the 100m dash.  ::)

ronnie could easily beat Ina Thorpe iof he decided to take up swimming,

hell, I think he might just win an oscar for next dvd, ::)

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2006, 03:37:41 PM »
Ronnie's grip is supposedly pretty good actually.  I can't remember how exactly, but it was verified that he has an incredibly strong grip.  Maybe someone here remembers more details of that.

i remember gunter closed the CoC #3 on his first attempt, which was pretty ridiculous.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2006, 03:45:22 PM »
are you kidding me? you honestly think that because he's a pretty strong bodybuilder that he'd be able to beat the people who have trained for this and are the best at it?
In your continued naivete you make the silly assumption that the other guys in WSM are sitting there practicing the events year-round. I have news for you, they're not, and aren't doing much differently most of the year. Why your dulusions lead you to think otherwise is really funny.

With the same kind of prep they do Coleman would be in the game. The only real con is his age, which you only mentioned after i brought it up, genius. ;D

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2006, 03:47:14 PM »
Blacks usually suck at the strongman contests. They have no stamina.
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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2006, 03:53:15 PM »
In your continued naivete you make the silly assumption that the other guys in WSM are sitting there practicing the events year-round. I have news for you, they're not, and aren't doing much differently most of the year. Why your dulusions lead you to think otherwise is really funny.

With the same kind of prep they do Coleman would be in the game. The only real con is his age, which you only mentioned after i brought it up, genius. ;D

wow, you're wrong. as in very wrong. yes strongman guys use barbells, but do you think they're doing lateral raises and incline benches? bodybuilding, powerlifting, strongman, and olympic training are all completely different. an aptitude in one rarely if ever translates to an aptitude in another, particularly with a pair as completely different as bodybuilding and strongman.

that's why you have a guy like shane hamman who was setting records in powerlifting but can't break into the medal-grabbers in oly lifting. that's why guys like siders are top-level powerlifters but are struggling in strongman. there is absolutely no reason to think coleman would succeed in strongman aside from the fact that he's somewhat strong in gym lifts.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2006, 04:00:55 PM »
Ronnie is an extremely strong man, however his problem would be just a lack of experience in strongman events. Guys like Mariusz etc have been training and competing for years in these strongmen shows.

While i believe Ronnie does have the basic strength to potentially do OK and not embarrass himself there is no way without the years of experience of competing in these events would he be able to take on the best in the world over 10 very differing events.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman: Competing in a World's Strongest Man Competition
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