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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2007, 12:33:04 PM »

The problem with that is that the #9 team will be bitching nonstop now.

And no. 10, 11, 12 . . . . I don't think that system would work either, but it's more likely we see something like that than a legitimate playoff system.  Unfortunately. 
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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2007, 01:04:31 PM »

You mean getting to the NFC Championship game with arguably the worst set of WRs in the NFL wasn't good enough? 

theres been a game here or there that grossman looked good, heck even a game here or there that Romo looked good.

Whoop dee doo, vick had a nice run ONCE in the playoffs, other than that he has been a complete joke as an NFL qb.
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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2007, 01:11:39 PM »

theres been a game here or there that grossman looked good, heck even a game here or there that Romo looked good.

Whoop dee doo, vick had a nice run ONCE in the playoffs, other than that he has been a complete joke as an NFL qb.

Yeah he is the only qb that gets 6 years to develop. but he is exticing to watch.
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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2007, 01:15:21 PM »

theres been a game here or there that grossman looked good, heck even a game here or there that Romo looked good.

Whoop dee doo, vick had a nice run ONCE in the playoffs, other than that he has been a complete joke as an NFL qb.

Classic overstatement.  First, his WRs have been Larry, Moe, and Curley for pretty much his entire career.  Second, he has some of the most impressive seasons, passing/rushing, in NFL history.  Third, he wins.  (Fairly certain he has a winning record as a starter).  Fourth, he has made the Pro Bowl three times.  

Here are his "joke" stats:

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                 |              Passing                  |     Rushing     |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 2001 atl |   8 |    50   113  44.2   785   6.9   2   3 |    29   300   1 |
| 2002 atl |  15 |   231  421  54.9  2936  7.0  16   8 |   113   777  8 |
| 2003 atl |   5 |    50   100  50.0   585   5.8   4   3 |    40   255   1 |
| 2004 atl |  15 |   181   321  56.4  2313 7.2  14  12 |   120   902  3 |
| 2005 atl |  15 |   214   387  55.3  2412 6.2  15  13 |   102   597  6 |
| 2006 atl |  16 |   204   388  52.6  2474 6.4  20  13 |   123  1039  2 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
|  TOTAL   |  74 |   930  1730  53.8 11505   6.7  71  52 |   527  3870  21 |
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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2007, 01:17:41 PM »

damn. guess you cant argue with numbers....and his wide outs are awful...roddy white needs to be in arena ball.
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« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2007, 01:31:47 PM »

Classic overstatement.  First, his WRs have been Larry, Moe, and Curley for pretty much his entire career.  Second, he has some of the most impressive seasons, passing/rushing, in NFL history.  Third, he wins.  (Fairly certain he has a winning record as a starter).  Fourth, he has made the Pro Bowl three times.  

Here are his "joke" stats:

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
                 |              Passing                  |     Rushing     |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT    YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 2001 atl |   8 |    50   113  44.2   785   6.9   2   3 |    29   300   1 |
| 2002 atl |  15 |   231  421  54.9  2936  7.0  16   8 |   113   777  8 |
| 2003 atl |   5 |    50   100  50.0   585   5.8   4   3 |    40   255   1 |
| 2004 atl |  15 |   181   321  56.4  2313 7.2  14  12 |   120   902  3 |
| 2005 atl |  15 |   214   387  55.3  2412 6.2  15  13 |   102   597  6 |
| 2006 atl |  16 |   204   388  52.6  2474 6.4  20  13 |   123  1039  2 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
|  TOTAL   |  74 |   930  1730  53.8 11505   6.7  71  52 |   527  3870  21 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+





Tom Brady has never had anything better then second rate receivers compared to guys like Payton and Carson, who have some of the best receivers ever to throw to. Yet Tom led the league in passing last year with a 90+ rating, is 11-1 postseason, 3 rings, 2 time sb mvp and a five time division champion. lead his team to the postseason five of six years etc, etc.

Brady is one of the greatest qb's to ever live. He never has had big weapon receivers. Vick made some great plays this year tho.

Btw, I am not taking anything away from Carson and Payton. They are incredable qb's But, the reciever excuse is played out. You give Brady Marvin and Chad and see what happens. But no one ever brings that up when discussing how great qb's are.
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« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2007, 01:41:12 PM »

Bullshit. Two words, Deion Branch. Don't give me that shit about second rate recievers. They fit into that system perfectly.
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« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2007, 01:44:14 PM »


Tom Brady has never had anything better then second rate receivers compared to guys like Payton and Carson, who have some of the best receivers ever to throw to. Yet Tom led the league in passing last year with a 90+ rating, is 11-1 postseason, 3 rings, 2 time sb mvp and a five time division champion. lead his team to the postseason five of six years etc, etc.

Brady is one of the greatest qb's to ever live. He never has had big weapon receivers. Vick made some great plays this year tho.

Btw, I am not taking anything away from Carson and Payton. They are incredable qb's But, the reciever excuse is played out. You give Brady Marvin and Chad and see what happens. But no one ever brings that up when discussing how great qb's are.

I agree that Brady is a great QB.  In fact, not only do I think he's the best QB in the NFL, I think he's the best playoff QB since Montana.  That said, he has had good WRs.  Branch is very good.  Troy Brown is good.  Consistent.  Givens can play.  Patten can play.  They have like 5 TEs who can catch the ball.  They aren't Harrison/Wayne/Clark, but not Roddy White/Michael Jenkins/Brian Finneran either.  
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« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2007, 03:11:36 PM »

Bullshit. Two words, Deion Branch. Don't give me that shit about second rate recievers. They fit into that system perfectly.

Deion Branch was no where near a Harrison or a Smith, not even close. Branch was one of my favorite players. Brady has never had a true "top guy" to throw to. That was my point. I agree, Dion was a perfect fit for this system. But, you toss Steve Smith in his place and there is much, much more production.


If you check out the post I called Branch second tier against guys like Johnson, Smith and Wayne. Basically the top 20 guys. I never said he was not good. But, he has never been a "top" receiver. That is part of the reason payton is a statistical Juggernaut. The guy is a fantastic player flanked by fantastic receivers. Some of the best recievers ever.


This is from 2005, when Brady led the league with over 4000 yards passing.Branch was listed at 21. This was the only time in the 6 years he was in the top 30.


1 Steve Smith CAR 103 1563 15.2 12 80
2 Santana Moss WAS 84 1483 17.7 9 78
3 Chad Johnson CIN 97 1432 14.8 9 70
4 Larry Fitzgerald ARI 103 1409 13.7 10 47
5 Anquan Boldin ARI 102 1402 13.7 7 54
6 Torry Holt STL 102 1331 13.0 9 44
7 Joey Galloway TB 83 1287 15.5 10 80
8 Donald Driver GB 86 1221 14.2 5 59
9 Plaxico Burress NYG 76 1214 16.0 7 78
10 Marvin Harrison IND 82 1146 14.0 12 80
11 Terry Glenn DAL 62 1136 18.3 7 71
12 Chris Chambers MIA 82 1118 13.6 11 77
13 Rod Smith DEN 85 1105 13.0 6 72
14 Eddie Kennison KC 68 1102 16.2 5 55
15 Antonio Gates SD 89 1101 12.4 10 38
16 Derrick Mason BAL 86 1073 12.5 3 39
17 Reggie Wayne IND 83 1055 12.7 5 66
18 Jimmy Smith JAC 70 1023 14.6 6 45
19 Antonio Bryant CLE 69 1009 14.6 4 54
20 Randy Moss OAK 60 1005 16.8 8 79
21 Deion Branch NE 78 998 12.8 5 51
22 Hines Ward PIT 69 975 14.1 11 85
23 T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN 78 956 12.3 7 43
24 Donte' Stallworth NO 70 945 13.5 7 43
25 Jerry Porter OAK 76 942 12.4 5 49
26 Keenan McCardell SD 70 917 13.1 9 54
27 Tony Gonzalez KC 78 905 11.6 2 39
28 Jeremy Shockey NYG 65 891 13.7 7 59
29 Alge Crumpler ATL 65 877 13.5 5 48
30 Todd Heap BAL 75 855 11.4 7 48


2004 ( not in the top 30)


1 Muhsin Muhammad CAR 93 1405 15.1 16 51
2 Joe Horn NO 94 1399 14.9 11 57
3 Javon Walker GB 89 1382 15.5 12 79
4 Torry Holt STL 94 1372 14.6 10 75
5 Isaac Bruce STL 89 1292 14.5 6 56
6 Chad Johnson CIN 95 1274 13.4 9 53
7 Tony Gonzalez KC 102 1258 12.3 7 32
8 Drew Bennett TEN 80 1247 15.6 11 48
9 Reggie Wayne IND 77 1210 15.7 12 71
10 Donald Driver GB 84 1208 14.4 9 50
11 Terrell Owens PHI 77 1200 15.6 14 59
12 Darrell Jackson SEA 87 1199 13.8 7 56
13 Michael Clayton TB 80 1193 14.9 7 75
14 Jimmy Smith JAC 74 1172 15.8 6 65
15 Derrick Mason TEN 96 1168 12.2 7 37
16 Rod Smith DEN 79 1144 14.5 7 85
17 Andre Johnson HOU 79 1142 14.5 6 54
18 Marvin Harrison IND 86 1113 12.9 15 59
19 Eddie Kennison KC 62 1086 17.5 8 70
20 Ashley Lelie DEN 54 1084 20.1 7 58
21 Brandon Stokley IND 68 1077 15.8 10 69
22 Eric Moulds BUF 88 1043 11.9 5 49
23 Nate Burleson MIN 68 1006 14.8 9 68
24 Hines Ward PIT 80 1004 12.6 4 58
25 Jerry Porter OAK 64 998 15.6 9 52
26 Keyshawn Johnson DAL 70 981 14.0 6 39
27 Jason Witten DAL 87 980 11.3 6 42
28 T.J. Houshmandzadeh CIN 73 978 13.4 4 62
29 Antonio Gates SD 81 964 11.9 13 72
30 Laveranues Coles WAS 90 950 10.6 1 45

2003 ( not in the top 30)

Torry Holt STL 117 1696 14.5 12 48
Randy Moss MIN 111 1632 14.7 17 72
Anquan Boldin ARI 101 1377 13.6 8 71
Chad Johnson CIN 90 1355 15.1 10 82
Derrick Mason TEN 95 1303 13.7 8 50
Marvin Harrison IND 94 1272 13.5 10 79
Laveranues Coles WAS 82 1204 14.7 6 64
Keenan McCardell TB 84 1174 14.0 8 76
Hines Ward PIT 95 1163 12.2 10 50
Darrell Jackson SEA 68 1137 16.7 9 80
Steve Smith CAR 88 1110 12.6 7 67
Santana Moss NYJ 74 1105 14.9 10 65
Terrell Owens SF 80 1102 13.8 9 75
Amani Toomer NYG 63 1057 16.8 5 77
Isaac Bruce STL 69 981 14.2 5 41
Andre Johnson HOU 66 976 14.8 4 46
Joe Horn NO 78 973 12.5 10 50
Chris Chambers MIA 64 963 15.0 11 57
Tony Gonzalez KC 71 916 12.9 10 67
Koren Robinson SEA 65 896 13.8 4 38
David Boston SD 70 880 12.6 7 46
Jerry Rice OAK 63 869 13.8 2 47
Plaxico Burress PIT 60 860 14.3 4 47
Eddie Kennison KC 56 853 15.2 5 51
Rod Smith DEN 74 845 11.4 3 38
Reggie Wayne IND 68 838 12.3 7 57
Peerless Price ATL 64 838 13.1 3 49
Muhsin Muhammad CAR 54 837 15.5 3 60
Peter Warrick CIN 79 819 10.4 7 77
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« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2007, 03:15:46 PM »


I think he likes the power back like michael bush..btw you think he is comming out.

and im a saints fan too....all the way baby..

I was thinking that too about Michael Bush, and yes he has already declared that he is entering the 2007 NFL draft. Look at how Jacobs from the giants is almost like a guaranteed lock for a TD in goal line situations. Plus he's got some moves and decent speed at 6'3 250 (talking about bush).
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« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2007, 03:18:45 PM »

Haha day 2 after the fiasco and the OSU campus still has this eerie funeral-like atmosphere...
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« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2007, 03:22:27 PM »

I agree that Brady is a great QB.  In fact, not only do I think he's the best QB in the NFL, I think he's the best playoff QB since Montana.  That said, he has had good WRs.  Branch is very good.  Troy Brown is good.  Consistent.  Givens can play.  Patten can play.  They have like 5 TEs who can catch the ball.  They aren't Harrison/Wayne/Clark, but not Roddy White/Michael Jenkins/Brian Finneran either.  

Brady is 13 - 4 with a bunch of rookies and nobodys, In the afc.  Brown is the only guy still left. Caldwell has mirror numbers to Dion tho. You make good points.
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« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2007, 03:26:31 PM »

Man I miss the team we had last year, or two years ago, Mike Nugent, Justin Zwick, AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter... those were good days. To be perfectly honest, I didn't like the current team much all season, in spite of their winnings...
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« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2007, 03:48:47 PM »

First thing Petrino should do is trade Vick immediately and get Schaub back under center.  I sonder how many girls in NFL cities have caught herpes from mike vick?

I think Schaub is a perfect fit for Patrino's offensive philosophy and would actually probably be the better selection in this case.
 
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« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2007, 06:38:42 PM »

Man I miss the team we had last year, or two years ago, Mike Nugent, Justin Zwick, AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter... those were good days. To be perfectly honest, I didn't like the current team much all season, in spite of their winnings...

What was it like stealing a national title from Miami thanks to the refs?
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« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2007, 11:35:36 AM »

Man I miss the team we had last year, or two years ago, Mike Nugent, Justin Zwick, AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter... those were good days. To be perfectly honest, I didn't like the current team much all season, in spite of their winnings...

haha you say that now Roll Eyes

I could understand you missing those guys but justin Zwick Shocked

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« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2007, 12:01:17 PM »

haha you say that now Roll Eyes

I could understand you missing those guys but justin Zwick Shocked

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No, I've been saying that all along, since September, that this current team isn't all that in my view. People told me to stfu when they were winning the preseason and big ten games...

Zwick... yeah I know, it's mostly an emotional thing with missing the old team. AJ Hawk, now there's a football player!!!
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« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2007, 12:02:24 PM »

I think my USC Trojans will do it next year. We got John David commin back. Wide out that wears number 1. Patrick turner...6'5 230, all the tailbacks and we sportin the number 1 recruiting class in the nation...USC willbe there next yeat
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« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2007, 12:05:12 PM »

What was it like stealing a national title from Miami thanks to the refs?

And now the Miami Hurricanes are nothing more than a memory in college football.  The swagger is gone and now miami will never be heard from again in major college football.  They are simply a pathetic excuse for a football program.  My fave game of all time is when they came in chanting to alabama before the sugar bowl 'you wish you were a national champion'

then 3 hours later we were NATIONAL CHAMPS for the 12th time after bitchslapping the pathetic canes around the field 34-13

but alas, miami is simply a footnote in college football.  they had a nice decade run but never to be heard from again.  bye bye miami.
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« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2007, 12:06:57 PM »

I'm waiting to see the team Tressel puts together for next season... We may have a shot at winning next year Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2007, 12:19:09 PM »

all the tailbacks and we sportin the number 1 recruiting class in the nation

they've had the number one class the last couple years but wear are they ranked number one this year?

rivals currently has them 4th

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« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2007, 12:22:55 PM »

I'm waiting to see the team Tressel puts together for next season... We may have a shot at winning next year Grin Grin Grin

No you won't. I'm going with WVU. Slaton's going to win the Heisman, too.
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« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2007, 12:33:52 PM »

No you won't. I'm going with WVU. Slaton's going to win the Heisman, too.

I was thinking WV because they wont have Louisville or Rutgers balling like last season. But USC has depth...they will kick major ass in 07
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« Reply #48 on: January 11, 2007, 12:34:55 PM »

No you won't. I'm going with WVU. Slaton's going to win the Heisman, too.

I didn't say we will or won't. I said we have a chance, based on what kind of team Coach Tressel puts together!
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« Reply #49 on: January 11, 2007, 12:35:36 PM »

I didn't say we will or won't. I said we have a chance, based on what kind of team Coach Tressel puts together!

You guys won't even beat Michigan next year.
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