Author Topic: ALL ROIDS discussion thread! (Read 5353 times)

HalloweenMan · « **Reply #25 on:** January 11, 2007, 03:12:33 PM »

i was in the army for a good while and i trained natural the whole time i was there, up until the last 6 months. after that cycle, i kept 9 lbs. i dont think that is bad and i dont think using gear is bad either. its like an added bonus to enhance already hard training.
dudes like cutler and ronnie coleman and markus ruhl were already big and they just use that stuff to take big to new levels.

BigWyte · « **Reply #26 on:** January 11, 2007, 04:20:25 PM »

You will never keep your gains from juicing...eventually...a ny muscle size that is above and beyond what your body would acheive naturally will disppear with a long enough time off of gear....The reason your muscles grow while on is that the drugs create a false reality chemically of how much muscle your body should have.

Supposing that you start lifting and juicing at the same time...then stop juicing and keep lifting hard core and doing everything right...you should keep all of your gains and then some until you reach you bodys maximum naturally....Whereas a pro bodybuilder with 280lbs of lean mass is going to lose muscle at the drop of a hat when those ideal conditions for muscle growth are altered.

As far as how much of the pros etc. are "all drugs" i'm sure it varies widely from person to person.....but I have a hard time believing that the top 20-30 guys in the world wouldnt be massive regardless of whether they have taken gear or not. Your natural genetic coding dictates your body type.....drugs only amplify it.

Hendrix · « **Reply #27 on:** January 11, 2007, 04:56:39 PM »

I can only talk from experience, i have taken shitloads of drugs in the past and have ballooned from 225 natural at 6ft to 280 pound same bodyfat around 10% and have had medical problems after prolonged use, after i have stopped taking the drugs i always return to back to my natural bodyweight.I cannot hold on to my gains, so this makes me believe most Pros are on something all the time.
The pitures of Jay Cutler at 315 tend me to believe hes on year round maybe hes on a third of what he takes when preparing for a show.
As i have said i probaly have taken more roids than most pros though i do not use HGH or IGF or Slin and these drugs i believe most pros use year round keeping them at a high bodyweight.
Doctors are the most inportant statistic in bodybuilding and the use of roids safely must be adheared to.
Tom Prince obviosly did not consult a doctor and i do not buy the Advil theory in my opinion it was an abuse of diuretics when guest posing or just vanity of ridding the body of subcutanous water.
When i stop taking Anadrol A Bombs i drop about 20 pounds of water, thats my doctors opinion and with many bodybuilders do not take post cylcle therapies which i believe is the most inportant factor of a cycle.
Anyway thats my rant on roids, used properly with a doctor they are magic and feeling your body transform is exstacy.

Cap · « **Reply #28 on:** January 11, 2007, 05:11:35 PM »

Tom Prince really messed himself up as did Wheeler. I like how all these guys had "preexisitng conditions" when what they really had was an overabdundance of foreign chemicals for their bodies to process.

Captain Equipoise · « **Reply #29 on:** January 11, 2007, 05:29:50 PM »

Quote from: THE BAD GUY on January 11, 2007, 02:41:14 PM

EVERYONE IS FUCKING WRONG UNTIL GH15 TELLS HIS SIDE OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JK ...ITS NOT ALL ROIDS MY BUDDY SCOTT MILINE IS 337 WITH ABS AS OF RIGHT NOW AND BELIEVE ME HE DOESNT TAKE ALOT OF GEAR THATS WHY SCOTT ABLE DROPPED HIM AND WOULDNT TRAIN HIM CUZ HE WOULDNT DO THE AMOUNTS HE WANTED HIM TO....HE DOES NO MORE THEN 6IU AND SITS AROUND 3000MG A WEEK IN TEST ........YES ITS ALOT BUT f**k ALL COMPARED TO THE "OTHER GUYS"

I know Milne's source dude, he does WAY more then just test and growth.

Hendrix · « **Reply #30 on:** January 11, 2007, 05:34:09 PM »

Quote from: cap86 on January 11, 2007, 05:11:35 PM

Tom Prince really messed himself up as did Wheeler. I like how all these guys had "preexisitng conditions" when what they really had was an overabdundance of foreign chemicals for their bodies to process.

Flex like Don Long did have genetic problems with there kidneys i cannot remember the disease but im sure it was legit.
Tom Prince im sure was stupidity not genetic,He probaly never got his bloodwork done and had no supervision and blamed Advil.

Bluto · « **Reply #31 on:** January 11, 2007, 05:38:31 PM »

Quote from: Hendrix on January 11, 2007, 04:56:39 PM

I can only talk from experience, i have taken shitloads of drugs in the past and have ballooned from 225 natural at 6ft to 280 pound same bodyfat around 10% and have had medical problems after prolonged use, after i have stopped taking the drugs i always return to back to my natural bodyweight.I cannot hold on to my gains, so this makes me believe most Pros are on something all the time.
The pitures of Jay Cutler at 315 tend me to believe hes on year round maybe hes on a third of what he takes when preparing for a show.
As i have said i probaly have taken more roids than most pros though i do not use HGH or IGF or Slin and these drugs i believe most pros use year round keeping them at a high bodyweight.
Doctors are the most inportant statistic in bodybuilding and the use of roids safely must be adheared to.
Tom Prince obviosly did not consult a doctor and i do not buy the Advil theory in my opinion it was an abuse of diuretics when guest posing or just vanity of ridding the body of subcutanous water.
When i stop taking Anadrol A Bombs i drop about 20 pounds of water, thats my doctors opinion and with many bodybuilders do not take post cylcle therapies which i believe is the most inportant factor of a cycle.
Anyway thats my rant on roids, used properly with a doctor they are magic and feeling your body transform is exstacy.

thanks for sharing. whatabout the increased strength+bodyweight on roids giving you more power in the gym and because of this enabling you to move heavier weights leading to bigger growth? surely THAT muscle is "real" and will be kept, or is it just not a whole lot at the end of the day?

Cap · « **Reply #32 on:** January 11, 2007, 05:44:39 PM »

Quote from: Hendrix on January 11, 2007, 05:34:09 PM

Flex like Don Long did have genetic problems with there kidneys i cannot remember the disease but im sure it was legit.
Tom Prince im sure was stupidity not genetic,He probaly never got his bloodwork done and had no supervision and blamed Advil.

If they had that disease would the new kidney be rejected?

Hendrix · « **Reply #33 on:** January 11, 2007, 05:59:02 PM »

Quote from: Bluto on January 11, 2007, 05:38:31 PM

thanks for sharing. whatabout the increased strength+bodyweight on roids giving you more power in the gym and because of this enabling you to move heavier weights leading to bigger growth? surely THAT muscle is "real" and will be kept, or is it just not a whole lot at the end of the day?

You keep some of the muscle but it slowly dissapates over a few months, the best way to hold on to some muscle is to continue using very small amounts of dianabol and anadrol.Thats from personel experience.
I fucked my shoulder and will not be training for quite a period of time so the holiday to Mexico is off.

Bluto · « **Reply #34 on:** January 11, 2007, 06:00:55 PM »

Quote from: Hendrix on January 11, 2007, 05:59:02 PM

You keep some of the muscle but it slowly dissapates over a few months, the best way to hold on to some muscle is to continue using very small amounts of dianabol and anadrol.Thats from personel experience.
I fucked my shoulder and will not be training for quite a period of time so the holiday to Mexico is off.

I get the impression you lost most of your gains still you consider it worth it?

Hendrix · « **Reply #35 on:** January 11, 2007, 06:23:42 PM »

Quote from: Bluto on January 11, 2007, 06:00:55 PM

I get the impression you lost most of your gains still you consider it worth it?

YES my cycle last 6 months and the strength and size gains make me feel incredible, i do it for myself i cover up and feel very insecure around people, the typical response from non lifters is your a dumbass steroidhead.But with the insecurity Comes incredible pride in my appearance though i do where very baggy clothing so its not to obvious to many around me.
My girl loves the muscles and when i am natural its a nice change she loves me XXXXL or XXL and its a nice change to be a natural and a juicer.I will never compete but have had a precontest regiem a few years ago and got my bodyfat down to near death and weiged 235 to 237 with a diuretics.THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT ALWAYS SEE A DOCTOR GET YOUR BLOODWORK DONE and be careful of some of the side effects GYNO use Arimidex or Novaldex especially with Anadrol and Look after your Testicles with HCG.
Its worth every cent and like Arnold said the Pump is like coming

Hendrix · « **Reply #36 on:** January 11, 2007, 06:30:50 PM »

Quote from: cap86 on January 11, 2007, 05:44:39 PM

If they had that disease would the new kidney be rejected?

I do not know,Don Long is still on dialisis and i think Flex is okay.But They have to eat a very low protien diet and i remember Goudy who has one Kidney was put in hospital because of creatine.

Cap · « **Reply #37 on:** January 11, 2007, 06:31:59 PM »

I think these guys make shit up, just like Prince. It's dumb. Advil would affect your stomach before your kidneys. Try again.

Camel Jockey · « **Reply #38 on:** January 11, 2007, 06:53:31 PM »

Not that many people under like 5'10" can be over 215 lbs and something like 6% bf. Drugs are a huge part of it, but some people are genetic freaks. There's like this 220 ripped to shreds black dude at my gym and he struggles to bench 185 pounds and rows like 75 lb dumbells. He's fucking ripped like hell and I don't think he's on anything, a true freak of nature.

Hendrix

What type of doses did you use? I am told that 10 weeks cycle of500 mg of test a week stacked with d-bol everyday is a good and pretty safe cycle to follow.

Bluto · « **Reply #39 on:** January 11, 2007, 07:02:17 PM »

dont post too much about cycles or this might be moved to the 'roids board.

Hendrix · « **Reply #40 on:** January 11, 2007, 07:17:23 PM »

Quote from: Camel Jockey on January 11, 2007, 06:53:31 PM

Not that many people under like 5'10" can be over 215 lbs and something like 6% bf. Drugs are a huge part of it, but some people are genetic freaks. There's like this 220 ripped to shreds black dude at my gym and he struggles to bench 185 pounds and rows like 75 lb dumbells. He's fucking ripped like hell and I don't think he's on anything, a true freak of nature.

Hendrix

What type of doses did you use? I am told that 10 weeks cycle of500 mg of test a week stacked with d-bol everyday is a good and pretty safe cycle to follow.

Its up to your doctor and i foolishly went against my doctor orders and continued using an insane amount of Anadrol and i was lucky my Liver survived the damage and regenerated when i was clean.
Now my cycle is big and i do not advise anyone use it,PLEASE get monitered by a DOCTOR.
1000mg test a Week(HCG your testicles can shrink over prolonged use of Test)
1000mg Deca a week
250mg Anadrol aday ( the dosages vary on my bloodwork)Also use Arimidex or Novaldex for Gyno
50mg Dianabol(spread over three dosages a day)
100mg to 200mg a day of Stanazol or Winnie injectible
Thats it a huge amount you could probaly get the same results with half this amount but i push my body to the limit.Anadrol is the most poweful steroid on the market but it is very toxic so be careful.To the MODS remove the post not the thread just being honest.

Richard2004 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 11, 2007, 08:49:06 PM »

Quote from: Bluto on January 11, 2007, 01:48:04 PM

Adonis talk a lot of shit from time to time, however, one topic that I would be willing to discuss and I think might have some merit is the ALL ROIDS theory - from what I can see there's a number of people coming off the roids that losts a shitload of size, so maybe he's got a point here? Or does the explanation "when they get off roids they also stop training and stop eating as much" be enough?

Just how much is ALL ROIDS?

Discuss

Geez broos, dont cum off dem roids' EVER...youse don't want to fvck up da $$$ strem to youse suppliers...man, wut da f**k is wrong wit youse huh???!

Jes stuf un stuf on dem roids' and keeps bloatinn youse slfs ups!! Dat wa youse cann falls ova DEDDD at 35 insted of 45!!

I meens youse don wants to start shrivelin/shrinkin up un getin week or sumpin doos youse...HUH...un loos dem drugg bloatedd 21 iinch gunss dooess youse???!

I meens jus livs fas and dies yung en keps youse psyco idjit 'roid rage...youse FVKKIN MORONS!!!

THE BAD GUY · « **Reply #42 on:** January 11, 2007, 10:42:25 PM »

Quote from: Captain Equipoise on January 11, 2007, 05:29:50 PM

I know Milne's source dude, he does WAY more then just test and growth.

Are you sure you know milne's source...you might then again probably not

Kwon · « **Reply #43 on:** January 11, 2007, 10:58:56 PM »

Quote from: cap86 on January 11, 2007, 01:51:10 PM

Prince was all roids.

Prince was never that impressive, are you talking about before or after Purple Rain though?

"Hope this helps"

Richard2004 · « **Reply #44 on:** January 12, 2007, 05:08:00 AM »

And, I bet that 95% (or is it 98%?!) of you dim-witted, insecure, MF's posting here DON'T EVEN COMPETE IN BB!!???

Runnin' around "juiced-to-the-gills", hopped-up on amphets/speed, and rec. drugs (I'm sure), just to gain a few extra inches in muscle size, get "ripped", and lift some heavier training poundages...while throwing away your PRECIOUS health and longevity "with both hands"...and, AGAIN, YOU DON"T EVEN COMPETE...you LAZY, IGNORANT, IMPATIENT, MF's!!

You are fvckin' TIME BOMBS and a DISGRACE to everything the great pioneers of physical culture and BB ever preached/intended!!!

natural al · « **Reply #45 on:** January 12, 2007, 05:20:09 AM »

I'm not a Tom Prince aplogist so dont' take it that way. Before I label him all drugs I'd like to see some pics of him before he started juicing, I don't think you can look at the current pics and say anything, from what I understand the treatment he had to go through was pretty rough and he doesn't train or eat like a guy trying to build or hold onto muscle at all anymore.

About the advil, I had some liver problems when I was 19, I got a form or airborne hepatitus and it messed me up big time, I went from getting ready to do the junior michigan at 175lbs, with prety low BF to 125-130lbs by the time it was all said and done and my liver/kidneys had pretty much recovered by the time it was all said and done...anyway one of the things they told me in the hospital was to stay away from advil and tylenol until I got the ok cause they are very hard on the liver....I don't know how much he took but I'm sure that they caused "some" of the damage he incured.

Mr. Michael Moore · « **Reply #46 on:** January 12, 2007, 07:36:19 AM »

Quote from: Richard2004 on January 12, 2007, 05:08:00 AM

And, I bet that 95% (or is it 98%?!) of you dim-witted, insecure, MF's posting here DON'T EVEN COMPETE IN BB!!???

Runnin' around "juiced-to-the-gills", hopped-up on amphets/speed, and rec. drugs (I'm sure), just to gain a few extra inches in muscle size, get "ripped", and lift some heavier training poundages...while throwing away your PRECIOUS health and longevity "with both hands"...and, AGAIN, YOU DON"T EVEN COMPETE...you LAZY, IGNORANT, IMPATIENT, MF's!!

You are fvckin' TIME BOMBS and a DISGRACE to everything the great pioneers of physical culture and BB ever preached/intended!!!

MELTfuckinDOWN

Just kidding!!!! I actually give a two thumbs up to your post. You are absolutely right.

Mr. Michael Moore · « **Reply #47 on:** January 12, 2007, 07:40:29 AM »

Quote from: natural al on January 12, 2007, 05:20:09 AM

I'm not a Tom Prince aplogist so dont' take it that way. Before I label him all drugs I'd like to see some pics of him before he started juicing, I don't think you can look at the current pics and say anything, from what I understand the treatment he had to go through was pretty rough and he doesn't train or eat like a guy trying to build or hold onto muscle at all anymore.

About the advil, I had some liver problems when I was 19, I got a form or airborne hepatitus and it messed me up big time, I went from getting ready to do the junior michigan at 175lbs, with prety low BF to 125-130lbs by the time it was all said and done and my liver/kidneys had pretty much recovered by the time it was all said and done...anyway one of the things they told me in the hospital was to stay away from advil and tylenol until I got the ok cause they are very hard on the liver....I don't know how much he took but I'm sure that they caused "some" of the damage he incured.

That would be SOME DEMAGE to an already fucked up liver and kiddneys , due to years and more years of abusing roids and rec drugs.

D-bol · « **Reply #48 on:** January 12, 2007, 07:44:27 AM »

There is a good thread on steroids board currently about the gear and pros. Has an example of a pro's cycle.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117318.0

nycbull · « **Reply #49 on:** January 12, 2007, 07:46:08 AM »

Quote from: THE BAD GUY on January 11, 2007, 02:41:14 PM

EVERYONE IS FUCKING WRONG UNTIL GH15 TELLS HIS SIDE OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JK ...ITS NOT ALL ROIDS MY BUDDY SCOTT MILINE IS 337 WITH ABS AS OF RIGHT NOW AND BELIEVE ME HE DOESNT TAKE ALOT OF GEAR THATS WHY SCOTT ABLE DROPPED HIM AND WOULDNT TRAIN HIM CUZ HE WOULDNT DO THE AMOUNTS HE WANTED HIM TO....HE DOES NO MORE THEN 6IU AND SITS AROUND 3000MG A WEEK IN TEST ........YES ITS ALOT BUT f**k ALL COMPARED TO THE "OTHER GUYS"

Milne is great, always looks healthy and has the clean cut all american look that bodybuilders used to have. Doesn't look all diseased and freaky like most of the IFBB. Suprised he doesn't get more endorsement deals. Any recent pics of him?