Okay Libs, whats your plan??

[Hugo Chavez]

  I'm a Conservative, and I've said it before and I'll be glad to say it again: no true Conservative would ever support an administration like the current one. You Republislime are the architects of treason. If this were Bill Clittin' who was doing all of the things Bush is doing, you'd be calling for his public burning at the stake.

exactly well said Purge, than you!!!

[Camel Jockey]

Well first off I am an independent, and swing more libertarian than republican, second off it's very bad to wish death on someoene, and third not all republicans are or were for the war, and for the record EVERY DEMOCRAT CONGRESSMAN BUT TWO (COUNTEM TWO) VOTED IN FAVOR OF INVADING IRAQ. This is not a republican war, its a united states war. BTW, if we get hit hard in this country again, iraq iran and syria will be large glass bowls out in the desert. You really shouldnt hope for an attack here.

I'm a libertarian too. Seems like we're the ones with a voice of reason in these times, yet there aren't enough of US to shed light on what needs to be done.

I don't get how you're saying this is America's war. First of all Bush emotionally blackmailed even the most educated and intelligent Americans into supporting the war with faulty intelligence and lies. The biggest problem is idiots who think they can screw over any nation because of what happened on 9/11, even you think Iraq, Iran and Syria should be blown away if we're attacked again. Newsflash, this is the type of mentality that lead us to Iraq.

[Old_Rooster]

Discuss!

Their plan is to pull out immediately and make the USA the laughing stock of the world, they would love to make us appear weak as canada when it comes to defending ourselfs.  They would send a letter to osama bin laden apologizing to him for making him angry and promising if he will just tell us what he and al quaeda want us to do and most likely would even have our president bow down and kiss bin laden's ass and promise them we will let al quaeda run our country instead of our congress and president.  That about sums up the democrats plan.

I've finally figured out that the democrats are possibly more dangerous to our society that terrorists are.

[Old_Rooster]

Yeah that's right huh?  Clinton invaded iraq with poor intel, too few troops, a lousy exit strategy, put us 400 billion in debt, cost the lives of 3000 americans, destablized the area, increase the number of terrorists etc.... 

that fucking bastard.....we ahould throw him and all his follwers into jail.

And the current administration (BUSH) doesn't have the fucking BALLS to do what is neccessary (Ruthless campaign of domination with 200,000 more troops, torture rooms, death camps etc..) becuase they are too busy trying ot act like smart politicains at the same time trying ot impress the democrats by getting them to think republicans actually have common sense.

Un-believable isn't it?

Nope.  Clinton warned us that Iraq was our biggest threat but he did nothing to stop the  problem there, refused to go after bin laden.  He would bomb a baby milk factory here or there in iraq to sway attention away from him ramming his tiny cock in to monica's mouth in the oval office.  He couldn't be concerned with protecting this country, was much too busy blowing his cum all over monica's dress.

Clinton is to BLAME for this entire war because he sat on his ass thrusting his cock into that pigs fat mouth.

Now his wife wants to take up where he left off?  hmmm, who is gonna lick that nasty snatch in the oval office while SHE skirts around the real issues?  Maybe she and bill will have orgies and such in the white house this time.  Yep, that pair is great for america.

[240 is Back]

Clinton is to BLAME for this entire war because he sat on his ass thrusting his cock into that pigs fat mouth.

The sad thing is that you truly believe this, don't you?

You truly believe that the US invasion of Iraq and Bush's inability to commit enough forces to win, the refusal to talk with Syria or Iran, everything else...

It's all Clinton's fault?  You're not even worth an argument dude.

[mightymouse72]

I think their plans involve more brainwashing of youth into homosexual activities, more complaning about this country when it's the greatest place to live in the world and noone is stopping them from fucking leaving, more orgies, more drugs, and more rampant idiocy. Oh yeah and more whining we need to pull out of Iraq, when any logical person can see that if we did it would lead to WW3, and more bitching about bush when he's basically trying to clean up f**k tard clintons mess.

just what i was thinking.

applause     

[OzmO]

No but if clinton had any balls whatsoever he would have killed bin laden any one of the numerous opportunities he had. Then 9/11 wouldn't have happened, and saddam would still be the lovable ruthless dictator he was. Pathetic argument, yes bush is a bit lame, but it was never his fault 9/11 happened, and he is attempting to do his best.

Ok i found 2 things i like about you already:

1.  Phil Ivey.

2.  It seems what ever political spectrum you reside in hasn't affected treuly affected your objectivity.

Personally,  i think BUSH made some very bad errors.  (i'm not saying Gore would have done better)

[Mr. Intenseone]

Ok i found 2 things i like about you already:

1.  Phil Ivey.

2.  It seems what ever political spectrum you reside in hasn't affected treuly affected your objectivity.

Personally,  i think BUSH made some very bad errors.  (i'm not saying Gore would have done better)

Gore or any other Lib with the exeption of Leiberman would not have done anything after 9/11!

[OzmO]

Gore or any other Lib with the exeption of Leiberman would not have done anything after 9/11!

Now that's absolutley not true.   

I've explain this to you many times and i know you realize that's not realistic in the least.

What Gore wouldn't have done:

1.   is invade Iraq.

2.  OK the port authority deal

What Gore might have done:

1.  Virtually everything Bush did save the above 2

2.  Increase spending in home land security by 100 billion dollars putting us deeper in debt.

(Bush has increasded our debt 400 billion with no return) 

[240 is Back]

Gore or any other Lib with the exeption of Leiberman would not have done anything after 9/11!

Weird that most of the Dems publicly supported invading Afghanistan.

When I hear (on fox news usually) that the dems "would have done nothing" after 9/11, I have two questions:

1) How can you predict this?

2) How can you explain most of them supporting the invasion?

History (voting record and publoic statements) shows that most dems supported warn in both afghan and iraq.  How can you make the prediction they wouldn't have supported invading?

[Mr. Intenseone]

Weird that most of the Dems publicly supported invading Afghanistan.

When I hear (on fox news usually) that the dems "would have done nothing" after 9/11, I have two questions:

1) How can you predict this?

2) How can you explain most of them supporting the invasion?

History (voting record and publoic statements) shows that most dems supported warn in both afghan and iraq.  How can you make the prediction they wouldn't have supported invading?

You know as well as I do that Dems are notoriously and historically weak on defence and have virtually done nothing, Clinton had a chance but in essence did nothing exept to fire a few missiles at a pharmaceutical co. Dems voted to go to Iraq but then went the other way after the war started now they want to pull all the troops out, tell me, what kind of a message does that send to the terrorists?

[OzmO]

You know as well as I do that Dems are notoriously and historically weak on defence and have virtually done nothing, Clinton had a chance but in essence did nothing exept to fire a few missiles at a pharmaceutical co. Dems voted to go to Iraq but then went the other way after the war started now they want to pull all the troops out, tell me, what kind of a message does that send to the terrorists?

Please explain or elaborrate

[240 is Back]

You know as well as I do that Dems are notoriously and historically weak on defence and have virtually done nothing, Clinton had a chance but in essence did nothing exept to fire a few missiles at a pharmaceutical co. Dems voted to go to Iraq but then went the other way after the war started now they want to pull all the troops out, tell me, what kind of a message does that send to the terrorists?

Why did most vote to invade Afghanistan and Iraq?

[240 is Back]

You know as well as I do that Dems are notoriously and historically weak on defence and have virtually done nothing

Are you saying the Dems have avoided war?



Um, is this bad?

[OzmO]

Are you saying the Dems have avoided war?



Um, is this bad?

I just want to know when dems were weak and avioded going to war. 

I want specific examples.

[Mr. Intenseone]

Are you saying the Dems have avoided war?



Um, is this bad?

Only when you have a congress and senate full of pacifists, the choice to go to was a last resort for Bush, it wasn't like he jumped the gun!!

[240 is Back]

Only when you have a congress and senate full of pacifists, the choice to go to was a last resort for Bush, it wasn't like he jumped the gun!!

Bush didn't have any other options besides a full scale invasion, regime change, and infrastructure rebuild?

[Mr. Intenseone]

Bush didn't have any other options besides a full scale invasion, regime change, and infrastructure rebuild?

........and liberate 25mil people. Sure, we could have not gone in but that would have just left him open to harbor and recruit new terrorists and time to develop weapons like he was doing all along!

[OzmO]

........and liberate 25mil people. Sure, we could have not gone in but that would have just left him open to harbor and recruit new terrorists and time to develop weapons like he was doing all along!

I'm still waiting for you to elaborrate:

Is your assertion just a opinion or is there any fact to it?  I'm sure there is.

[OzmO]

You know as well as I do that Dems are notoriously and historically weak on defence and have virtually done nothing,

You should have a strong list right at your finger tips.  You've always talked about how the dems would have done nothing.

Please elaborrate,  show us some examples.

[240 is Back]

........and liberate 25mil people. Sure, we could have not gone in but that would have just left him open to harbor and recruit new terrorists and time to develop weapons like he was doing all along!

Can you list the names of the terrorists he as harboring, and how they affected the US? 

(this terrorist harboring claim was made by Bush to justify war and never verified)

Can you show me proof he was developing a new WMD program?

(another Bush claim.  All we found was 1985 mustard gas canisters less lethal than bug spray.  the rants about new WMD were never verified and actually declared incorrect by most world investigative bodies).

I'm all for kililng the shit out of anyone who fucks with us.  But starting wars cause of what someone might do is not a good policy. 




....and why the hell aren't we invading N Korea yet?

[mightymouse72]

I'm all for kililng the shit out of anyone who fucks with us.  But starting wars cause of what someone might do is not a good policy. 

after 9/11 it's a damn good policy. 

[240 is Back]

after 9/11 it's a damn good policy. 

Are you aware of the long term problems that come from "the damn good policy" of elective war?

[mightymouse72]

this world is much different after 9/11.  at least in the US it is. 
we cannot afford to sit on our duff and wait for something to happen. 
i don't care about any long term problems of war.  all i care about is that my children, my family and my friends can sleep at night and not have to worry about if someone will blow up the mall they're going to tomorrow. 

yea, i know the US going into iraq can be debated on whether it was for our safety.  but from what i've learned about saddam and his past, it was only a matter of time before something would have happened to this country that he would have been directly responsible for.  i am convinced of that.  i'm sure you will prove me wrong though.

[240 is Back]

this world is much different after 9/11.  at least in the US it is. 
we cannot afford to sit on our duff and wait for something to happen. 
i don't care about any long term problems of war.  all i care about is that my children, my family and my friends can sleep at night and not have to worry about if someone will blow up the mall they're going to tomorrow. 

yea, i know the US going into iraq can be debated on whether it was for our safety.  but from what i've learned about saddam and his past, it was only a matter of time before something would have happened to this country that he would have been directly responsible for.  i am convinced of that.  i'm sure you will prove me wrong though.

Should we invade N. Korea?