DISGUSTED: Bodybuilding Guru?

[Van_Bilderass]

I am sure the guy on the left could get a huge Calve by taking large amounts of steroids too.

I wonder why guys like Tony Pearson had to resort to implants? I guess they didn't train their calves and were all natural.

[Devon97]

Adam,
Do you believe your body will have the same nutrient partioning effects on 20g of Salmon oil as it would on 20g of trans fats?

[Disgusted]

1.5gr/lb of lean mass or overall bodyweight? 

Overall weight is fine. No reason to be so techical. Most guys use the overall BW method.

[SWOLETRAIN]

I general BBers tend to grossly overeat.

i couldn't agree more..... That whole force feeding thing throws me. When i see what appears to be fat guys "force feeding" i cringe... I am like, you guys have reserves!

[The True Adonis]

Its not going to matter since it is NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to seek out a diet, just to get 20 grams of Trans fats.

Given a restricted calorie amount, it will also be almost impossible.

Also, Given the above near  impossibility, it would be improbable that this would be even continued on a daily basis.


My point is, that it will NEVER happen so you wouldn`t even have to debate Trans Fat versus Salmon Oil.

We kind of remove ourselves from that whole equation.


With that said, the effects of Trans-Fat are incorrectly exhibited and really pose no threat at all.  No conclusive studies yet have proved that Trans Fat are a problem....Adverse health effects from Advil are a worse problem, but we tend not to debate about that now do we?

[The True Adonis]

To further explain the abusurdity and near improbability:

Try and put together a diet in which you get 20 grams of Trans fat but not going over, lets say 2000 calories.

[Disgusted]

i couldn't agree more..... That whole force feeding thing throws me. When i see what appears to be fat guys "force feeding" i cringe... I am like, you guys have reserves!

This goes back to the whole distended stomach issue and insulin. I have seen guys who never taken insulin but have grossly overeaten carbs for years and have the same exact stomach distention problem. I am talking about BBers here.

[Devon97]

Its not going to matter since it is NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to seek out a diet, just to get 20 grams of Trans fats.

Given a restricted calorie amount, it will also be almost impossible.

Also, Given the above near  impossibility, it would be improbable that this would be even continued on a daily basis.


My point is, that it will NEVER happen so you wouldn`t even have to debate Trans Fat versus Salmon Oil.

We kind of remove ourselves from that whole equation.


With that said, the effects of Trans-Fat are incorrectly exhibited and really pose no threat at all.  No conclusive studies yet have proved that Trans Fat are a problem....Adverse health effects from Advil are a worse problem, but we tend not to debate about that now do we?

That is the opposite of correct.
Do you believe that the nutrient partioning will be the same for a meal including 20g saturated fat vs. a meal containing 20g salmon oil?

[The True Adonis]

That is the opposite of correct.
Do you believe that the nutrient partioning will be the same for a meal including 20g saturated fat vs. a meal containing 20g salmon oil?

To further explain the abusurdity and near improbability:

Try and put together a diet in which you get 20 grams of Trans fat but not going over, lets say 2000 calories.

[Devon97]

Your avoiding the question my friend.....

Lets make it easy for you:

10g Saturated fats vs 10g salmon oil.
Would the nutritne partioning be the same?

[The True Adonis]

Your avoiding the question my friend.....

Lets make it easy for you:

10g Saturated fats vs 10g salmon oil.
Would the nutritne partioning be the same?

As of yet, there needs to be more research done.  ALL STUDIES showing Trans-Fat in a negative light are still inconclusive. 

Furthermore they only differ in shape.  The Nutritional Paritioning of trans-fat needs more research at the moment.  But this is interesting:


The NAS has concluded there is no safe level of trans fat consumption. There is no adequate level, recommended daily amount or tolerable upper limit for trans fats. This is because any incremental increase in trans fat intake increases the risk of coronary heart disease.[2]

Despite this concern, the NAS dietary recommendations have not recommended the elimination of trans fat from the diet. This is because trans fat is naturally present in many animal foods, and therefore in most non-vegan diets; its removal from ordinary diets might introduce undesirable side effects and nutritional imbalances if proper nutritional planning is not undertaken. The NAS has therefore "recommended that trans fatty acid consumption be as low as possible while consuming a nutritionally adequate diet".[11] Like the NAS, the World Health Organization has tried to balance public health goals with a practical level of trans fat consumption, recommending in 2003 that trans fats be limited to less than 1% of overall energy intake.[4]

The US National Dairy Council has asserted that the trans fats present in animal foods are of a different type than those in partially hydrogenated oils, and do not appear to exhibit the same negative effects.[12] While a recent scientific review agrees with the conclusion (stating that "the sum of the current evidence suggests that the public health implications of consuming trans fats from ruminant products are relatively limited") it cautions that this may be due to the relatively low consumption of trans fats from animal sources compared to artificial ones.[3]

[Devon97]

As of yet, there needs to be more research done.  ALL STUDIES showing Trans-Fat in a negative light are still inconclusive. 

Furthermore they only differ in shape.  The Nutritional Paritioning of trans-fat needs more research at the moment.  But this is interesting:


The NAS has concluded there is no safe level of trans fat consumption. There is no adequate level, recommended daily amount or tolerable upper limit for trans fats. This is because any incremental increase in trans fat intake increases the risk of coronary heart disease.[2]

Despite this concern, the NAS dietary recommendations have not recommended the elimination of trans fat from the diet. This is because trans fat is naturally present in many animal foods, and therefore in most non-vegan diets; its removal from ordinary diets might introduce undesirable side effects and nutritional imbalances if proper nutritional planning is not undertaken. The NAS has therefore "recommended that trans fatty acid consumption be as low as possible while consuming a nutritionally adequate diet".[11] Like the NAS, the World Health Organization has tried to balance public health goals with a practical level of trans fat consumption, recommending in 2003 that trans fats be limited to less than 1% of overall energy intake.[4]

The US National Dairy Council has asserted that the trans fats present in animal foods are of a different type than those in partially hydrogenated oils, and do not appear to exhibit the same negative effects.[12] While a recent scientific review agrees with the conclusion (stating that "the sum of the current evidence suggests that the public health implications of consuming trans fats from ruminant products are relatively limited") it cautions that this may be due to the relatively low consumption of trans fats from animal sources compared to artificial ones.[3]

LOL STOP  AVOIDING THE QUESTION !

Re-read what I posted.

Saturated fats 10g vs. Salmon oil 10g
Is the nutrient partioning the same?

[The True Adonis]

LOL STOP  AVOIDING THE QUESTION !

Re-read what I posted.

Saturated fats 10g vs. Salmon oil 10g
Is the nutrient partioning the same?

Find the answer in my posts.  Its there.

You want me to compare the fats?  I just told you that the only difference is the shape and therefore the fluidity.

Its not going to act any different in any other repsect.  Any test that says otherwise will also surely note that it is still inconclusive.

[Van_Bilderass]

This goes back to the whole distended stomach issue and insulin. I have seen guys who never taken insulin but have grossly overeaten carbs for years and have the same exact stomach distention problem. I am talking about BBers here.

True, but there are some like Palumbo who use near ketogenic diets year round and still have a gut. I don't know about his insulin use though.

What do you think about my intestinal water retention theory? When they carb up the stomach also swells dramatically sometimes. My theory is that the carbs pull even more water into the area. I know they try to use carbs like Vitargo that causes less water pull, and the rumors are some use IVs to carb up. I don't think the same bloat happens to natural athletes, at least to that extent.

Take the pic where Ronnie is warming up backstage and his gut is huge. I have a hard time believing all that is visceral fat.

[Disgusted]

True, but there are some like Palumbo who use near ketogenic diets year round and still have a gut. I don't know about his insulin use though.

What do you think about my intestinal water retention theory? When they carb up the stomach also swells dramatically sometimes. My theory is that the carbs pull even more water into the area. I know they try to use carbs like Vitargo that causes less water pull, and the rumors are some use IVs to carb up. I don't think the same bloat happens to natural athletes, at least to that extent.

Take the pic where Ronnie is warming up backstage and his gut is huge. I have a hard time believing all that is visceral fat.

Only Dave can tell you whether he has used insulin.

Water in the intestines would cause massive diarrhea. Plus even if there were, the diuretics would take care of that problem. It's not all visceral, some of it is the massive amounts of carbs ingested right before the show. I think Chad mentioned that he was carbing Ronnie up on liquids the last couple of years to avoid the bloated look. It seemed to have helped to a degree.

[gh15]

GH, you make more sense when you talk as a pimp about gang bangin' chicks

very very easy to understand,,but ill put it in a power point prsesentation

1. if you dont compete cardio is not needed,,waste of time,,you can get down to your 8-9% with out it.

2. if you do compete,, cardio should be performed in specific timing corresponding with your prep,,i believe that some cardio in contest prep,, while loaded on drugs,, is exellent,,AGAIN WHILE LOADED ON DRUGS.

3. me and anyone i know to that matter do some cardio in contest prep,,but i also dont do anything beside training,,eating,,sleeping and loving life,,,so im not the most active person on earth

4. take your granny and feed her with oxandrolone at 50 mg a day for 8 weeks and she will lean out and lose the soft belly,,works a lot better on a bodybuilder my friend

5. oxandrolone is the reason franco became franco,,one of his favorite drugs,,just gotta take enough of it and that the mistake of most guys,,,they dont take enough of it,, 90-150mg a day by itself will change your physiqe in a 12 week period,,nothing else needed,, girls do it all the time...then claim to be fitness girls and bodybuilders,,try it you will see i am right as usual

[Disgusted]

4. take your granny and feed her with oxandrolone at 50 mg a day for 8 weeks and she will lean out and lose the soft belly,,works a lot better on a bodybuilder my friend

5. oxandrolone is the reason franco became franco,,one of his favorite drugs,,just gotta take enough of it and that the mistake of most guys,,,they dont take enough of it,, 90-150mg a day by itself will change your physiqe in a 12 week period,,nothing else needed,, girls do it all the time...then claim to be fitness girls and bodybuilders,,try it you will see i am right as usual

I must say that this peice of advise is worth the price of admission. Anavar at high dose have built some very big physiques.

[Van_Bilderass]

Only Dave can tell you whether he has used insulin.

Water in the intestines would cause massive diarrhea. Plus even if there were, the diuretics would take care of that problem. It's not all visceral, some of it is the massive amounts of carbs ingested right before the show. I think Chad mentioned that he was carbing Ronnie up on liquids the last couple of years to avoid the bloated look. It seemed to have helped to a degree.

Well, I don't doubt Palumbo has used plenty of insulin at some point LOL.

The intestinal water retention thing I got from an interview with Jim Quinn. Said he had severe constipation actually, and x-ray showed massive water retention in the intestines. He blamed the GH.

[Devon97]

Find the answer in my posts.  Its there.

You want me to compare the fats?  I just told you that the only difference is the shape and therefore the fluidity.

Its not going to act any different in any other repsect.  Any test that says otherwise will also surely note that it is still inconclusive.

WHy am I not surprised... after several posts of "cut-n-pasted" material , Adam fails to provide an answer.

Lets try again:

2000 cals of JIF regular peanutbutter vs. 2000 cals of chicken breast, broccoli, olive oil, sweet potatos
Will the nutrient partioning be the same>

[Disgusted]

WHy am I not surprised... after several posts of "cut-n-pasted" material , Adam fails to provide an answer.

Lets try again:

2000 cals of JIF regular peanutbutter vs. 2000 cals of chicken breast, broccoli, olive oil, sweet potatos
Will the nutrient partioning be the same>

On a side note, I'd love to see someone try and eat 2K worth of Broc. 

[Devon97]

On a side note, I'd love to see someone try and eat 2K worth of Broc. 

I love how you guys just read only what you want to read...

re-read the post my friend:

" 2000 cals from chicken breast, broccoli, olive oil and sweet potatos" 

a combination of each.....  It doesnt really matter, my point is still proven

[jwb]

I love how you guys just read only what you want to read...

re-read the post my friend:

" 2000 cals from chicken breast, broccoli, olive oil and sweet potatos" 

a combination of each.....  It doesnt really matter, my point is still proven

I think he knew that...

[Palpatine Q]

WHy am I not surprised... after several posts of "cut-n-pasted" material , Adam fails to provide an answer.

Lets try again:

2000 cals of JIF regular peanutbutter vs. 2000 cals of chicken breast, broccoli, olive oil, sweet potatos
Will the nutrient partioning be the same>

Or better yet. If you just drink Coors light, period, but keep your cals in check you will look just fine. Right?

[Devon97]

I think he knew that...

Your right, after all this is " THE MOST EDUCATED "GURU"   " we are talking about 

[Zwier]

Disgusted, you are talking about getting to fat off season.. What is your vieuw on off season diet to add mass without adding fat ? Are your callories just above normal ? Whats your vieuw on carbs fats off season ?