DISGUSTED: Bodybuilding Guru?

[G o a t b o y]

Douglas Adams isn`t just SOME guy!!!!!!  A true GENIUS!!

TA idolizes a science fiction writer. 


Here's a group of people you'd fit right in with:  www.cultofidiots.com

[tu_holmes]

Why would I do that?   I would have to physically go to a McDonald's.      Do you know what kind of people eat there?    No, thank you.

It's the most frequently visited restaurant on the PLANET... you might be the only person who NEVER goes there.

Although, I'm sure when you were a kid, you loved those chicken macnuggets... admit it.

[dzulboy]

Well, I've been training people for probably close to 20 years and have been in the game longer than that. My methods are somewhat controversial. As far back as the 80's even some of my workout buddies laughed at some of my methods but they stopped when they saw some of the people that started winning shows.

For example, so many people think that cardio is a must to get ripped. This is not always so. I do have people use it, but most of the time it is because mentally they feel the need. Personally I think that it is a waste of freaking energy that time could  be well spent recovering from a hard workout. Also, people tend to get way too fat in the offseason. They also don't realize that they are burning plenty of calories by working out, assuming that they are not standing around wasting time between sets. Most people wait too long between sets anyway. If you just busted your ass working out for 45 min why in the hell do some feel the need to walk into oblivion on the treamill for another 30-60 min and run your body further into the ground? Like I said, I do use it sometimes, but in reality it is not needed to get ripped.

  i think i need to hire you

[Luv2Hurt]

Disgusted was wondering if you would answer the question about what the proper or best source of fats are on a competition type diet?  Also the times best to consume these fats, Im thinking fats before bed may not be the best idea.

[chainsaw]

NOTHING is harmful if you are in a slight caloric defecit.

Live on beer on a caloric deficit.

[G o a t b o y]

you might be the only person who NEVER goes there.

I don't know anyone who goes there.  But then again, I'm not a 20-something meathead or an "average American" fatass either.

[Benny B]

I don't know anyone who goes there.  But then again, I'm not a 20-something meathead or an "average American" fatass either.

Don't get out much, do ya'?

[The True Adonis]

Disgusted was wondering if you would answer the question about what the proper or best source of fats are on a competition type diet?  Also the times best to consume these fats, Im thinking fats before bed may not be the best idea.

What part of this DON`T you understand??


If you are in a CALORIC DEFECIT ie. COMPETITION DIET, you use every calorie you ingest as are tapping into fat stores.

It matter fuck not, WHEN you eat fats.

[Mr. Intenseone]

What part of this DON`T you understand??


If you are in a CALORIC DEFECIT ie. COMPETITION DIET, you use every calorie you ingest as are tapping into fat stores.

It matter f**k not, WHEN you eat fats.

Show me clinical case studies!

[tu_holmes]

I don't know anyone who goes there.  But then again, I'm not a 20-something meathead or an "average American" fatass either.

I used to think like that, then I realized... Fuck a quarter pounder with cheese is good every couple of months.

[dr.chimps]

You hit a nerve.  What I do get pissed about is the agenda that the pharmaceutical companies have. They have turned Dr's into nothing more than drug pushers. The public has been duped into believing that a low fat diet will cure all that ails you. People are eating tons of needless amounts of sugar and refined carbs and turing into diabetics at an alarming rate. You never heard of heart disease 100 years ago. People are NOT living longer today. Infant mortality is way down which brings the average up. You grand parents did not eat hohos for dessert. The average person eats about 120 pounds of sugar a year, up about 100 pounds from a hundred years ago. Enough, I could go on forever. 

Actually, people are living longer these days, and (Listen up Goatboy) this is the primary reason we are having increases in the numbers of cancers. Just a simple correlation of numbers.

/just sayin'. please go back to your mud slinging

[The True Adonis]

Show me clinical case studies!

Laws of Thermodynamics
Energy exists in many forms, such as heat, light, chemical energy, and electrical energy. Energy is the ability to bring about change or to do work. Thermodynamics is the study of energy.

First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy and matter in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another. The First Law of Thermodynamics (Conservation) states that energy is always conserved, it cannot be created or destroyed. In essence, energy can be converted from one form into another. Click here for another page (developed by Dr. John Pratte, Clayton State Univ., GA) covering thermodynamics.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state." This is also commonly referred to as entropy. A watchspring-driven watch will run until the potential energy in the spring is converted, and not again until energy is reapplied to the spring to rewind it. A car that has run out of gas will not run again until you walk 10 miles to a gas station and refuel the car. Once the potential energy locked in carbohydrates is converted into kinetic energy (energy in use or motion), the organism will get no more until energy is input again. In the process of energy transfer, some energy will dissipate as heat. Entropy is a measure of disorder: cells are NOT disordered and so have low entropy. The flow of energy maintains order and life. Entropy wins when organisms cease to take in energy and die.

[jwb]

Laws of Thermodynamics
Energy exists in many forms, such as heat, light, chemical energy, and electrical energy. Energy is the ability to bring about change or to do work. Thermodynamics is the study of energy.

First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy and matter in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another. The First Law of Thermodynamics (Conservation) states that energy is always conserved, it cannot be created or destroyed. In essence, energy can be converted from one form into another. Click here for another page (developed by Dr. John Pratte, Clayton State Univ., GA) covering thermodynamics.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state." This is also commonly referred to as entropy. A watchspring-driven watch will run until the potential energy in the spring is converted, and not again until energy is reapplied to the spring to rewind it. A car that has run out of gas will not run again until you walk 10 miles to a gas station and refuel the car. Once the potential energy locked in carbohydrates is converted into kinetic energy (energy in use or motion), the organism will get no more until energy is input again. In the process of energy transfer, some energy will dissipate as heat. Entropy is a measure of disorder: cells are NOT disordered and so have low entropy. The flow of energy maintains order and life. Entropy wins when organisms cease to take in energy and die.

are you saying the human body will get no usable glucose from anywhere else within the body if it's glucose stores are fully depleted?

[The True Adonis]

are you saying the human body will get no usable glucose from anywhere else within the body if it's glucose stores are fully depleted?

It will then be powered by Fat. Which is stored 

[troponin]

Laws of Thermodynamics
Energy exists in many forms, such as heat, light, chemical energy, and electrical energy. Energy is the ability to bring about change or to do work. Thermodynamics is the study of energy.

First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy and matter in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another. The First Law of Thermodynamics (Conservation) states that energy is always conserved, it cannot be created or destroyed. In essence, energy can be converted from one form into another. Click here for another page (developed by Dr. John Pratte, Clayton State Univ., GA) covering thermodynamics.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state." This is also commonly referred to as entropy. A watchspring-driven watch will run until the potential energy in the spring is converted, and not again until energy is reapplied to the spring to rewind it. A car that has run out of gas will not run again until you walk 10 miles to a gas station and refuel the car. Once the potential energy locked in carbohydrates is converted into kinetic energy (energy in use or motion), the organism will get no more until energy is input again. In the process of energy transfer, some energy will dissipate as heat. Entropy is a measure of disorder: cells are NOT disordered and so have low entropy. The flow of energy maintains order and life. Entropy wins when organisms cease to take in energy and die.

Copy and pasting the laws of thermodynamics is not a case study.  

Thermodynamics explains that any body with a temperature above absolute zero will radiate its energy away.

Yes, food is energy, but how the body gains the energy (calories, and what macronutrient source they come from) will have an effect on how that energy is utilized.  

The essence of the second law of thermodynamics is that it guarantees inefficiency in all metabolic processes. However, variation of efficiency is not excluded. In fact, the laws of thermodynamics are silent on the existence of variable efficiency. If efficiency can vary (as in the example of oxidative uncoupling) then "a calorie is a calorie" is no longer a true statement.

The presence of high quantities of protein in your diet can stimulate protein turnover, an energetically costly process.

Your "case study" has essentially proven your theory that "a calorie is a calorie" to be false.  

I know your whole "Schtick" is to post ridiculous things to get people wound up though, so I'll stay out of it from now on.  

[The True Adonis]

Copy and pasting the laws of thermodynamics is not a case study.  

Thermodynamics explains that any body with a temperature above absolute zero will radiate its energy away.

Yes, food is energy, but how the body gains the energy (calories, and what macronutrient source they come from) will have an effect on how that energy is utilized.  

The essence of the second law of thermodynamics is that it guarantees inefficiency in all metabolic processes. However, variation of efficiency is not excluded. In fact, the laws of thermodynamics are silent on the existence of variable efficiency. If efficiency can vary (as in the example of oxidative uncoupling) then "a calorie is a calorie" is no longer a true statement.

The presence of high quantities of protein in your diet can stimulate protein turnover, an energetically costly process.

Your "case study" has essentially proven your theory that "a calorie is a calorie" to be false.  

I know your whole "Schtick" is to post ridiculous things to get people wound up though, so I'll stay out of it from now on.  

Clearly you haven`t grapsed The Laws of Thermodynamics.

I can`t make it any simpler than what was posted.

IN A CALORIC DEFECIT, ALL CALORIES ARE USED, NONE ARE STORED.

FAT IS THEN USED AS A VIABLE SOURCE SINCE IT IS STORED!


If you need help understanding The Laws of Thermodynamics, you can either PM me, or state your question and I will answer and provide sources as well.

I can try and help you understand them.

[slacker]

Why are we not surprised to see you exhibit, yet again, a fascination with homosexual acts?

worthless post

[jwb]

Clearly you haven`t grapsed The Laws of Thermodynamics.

I can`t make it any simpler than what was posted.

IN A CALORIC DEFECIT, ALL CALORIES ARE USED, NONE ARE STORED.

FAT IS THEN USED AS A VIABLE SOURCE SINCE IT IS STORED!


If you need help understanding The Laws of Thermodynamics, you can either PM me, or state your question and I will answer and provide sources as well.

I can try and help you understand them.

I haven't been following the "adonis method" so bear with me...

Are you saying so long as there is a deficit it doesn't matter what is eaten?

[troponin]

Clearly you haven`t grapsed The Laws of Thermodynamics.

I can`t make it any simpler than what was posted.

IN A CALORIC DEFECIT, ALL CALORIES ARE USED, NONE ARE STORED.

FAT IS THEN USED AS A VIABLE SOURCE SINCE IT IS STORED!


If you need help understanding The Laws of Thermodynamics, you can either PM me, or state your question and I will answer and provide sources as well.

I can try and help you understand them.

Adam,
   I know you're just in this for the laughs.  But, your use of the "laws of thermodynamics" to explain why a calorie is a calorie is the first thing people looked for to back that belief.  It was obvious very quickly that those laws didn't hold true.  There are still people hoping to prove your point out there, but they've moved past basic thermodynamics.  

Uncoupling of proteins by the mitochondria (which is potentially the most potent form of energy (heat) loss in the body) doesn't follow the laws of thermodynamics.  

In a calorie defiicit, weight loss will occur.  But, where that weight loss will come from will vary greatly depending on the macronutrients ingested.  

if weight loss is the one and only goal (irrespective of where that loss comes from) then a hypocaloric diet will obviously work.  
The form of macronutrients digested, and how they are utilized by the body will play a role in what form that weight loss comes from (IE: fat, muscle, water, etc)

[natural al]

Adam,
   I know you're just in this for the laughs.  But, your use of the "laws of thermodynamics" to explain why a calorie is a calorie is the first thing people looked for to back that belief.  It was obvious very quickly that those laws didn't hold true.  There are still people hoping to prove your point out there, but they've moved past basic thermodynamics.  

Uncoupling of proteins by the mitochondria (which is potentially the most potent form of energy (heat) loss in the body) doesn't follow the laws of thermodynamics.  

In a calorie defiicit, weight loss will occur.  But, where that weight loss will come from will vary greatly depending on the macronutrients ingested.  

if weight loss is the one and only goal (irrespective of where that loss comes from) then a hypocaloric diet will obviously work.  
The form of macronutrients digested, and how they are utilized by the body will play a role in what form that weight loss comes from (IE: fat, muscle, water, etc)

you're letting it get to you......


TA, that does not break our truce, I just know where this is going....it'll be page after page of bickering.....

[The True Adonis]

Adam,
   I know you're just in this for the laughs.  But, your use of the "laws of thermodynamics" to explain why a calorie is a calorie is the first thing people looked for to back that belief.  It was obvious very quickly that those laws didn't hold true.  There are still people hoping to prove your point out there, but they've moved past basic thermodynamics.  

Uncoupling of proteins by the mitochondria (which is potentially the most potent form of energy (heat) loss in the body) doesn't follow the laws of thermodynamics.  

In a calorie defiicit, weight loss will occur.  But, where that weight loss will come from will vary greatly depending on the macronutrients ingested.  

if weight loss is the one and only goal (irrespective of where that loss comes from) then a hypocaloric diet will obviously work.  
The form of macronutrients digested, and how they are utilized by the body will play a role in what form that weight loss comes from (IE: fat, muscle, water, etc)

I`m not.

I know the faulty study of Feinman.

You need to educate yourself a bit further.

[The True Adonis]

Adam,
   I know you're just in this for the laughs.  But, your use of the "laws of thermodynamics" to explain why a calorie is a calorie is the first thing people looked for to back that belief.  It was obvious very quickly that those laws didn't hold true.  There are still people hoping to prove your point out there, but they've moved past basic thermodynamics.  

Uncoupling of proteins by the mitochondria (which is potentially the most potent form of energy (heat) loss in the body) doesn't follow the laws of thermodynamics.  

In a calorie defiicit, weight loss will occur.  But, where that weight loss will come from will vary greatly depending on the macronutrients ingested.  

if weight loss is the one and only goal (irrespective of where that loss comes from) then a hypocaloric diet will obviously work.  
The form of macronutrients digested, and how they are utilized by the body will play a role in what form that weight loss comes from (IE: fat, muscle, water, etc)

You are also forgetting about the effect of Gravity and resistance on protein synthesis.

[The True Adonis]

Also don`t try to mislead people as Feinman notes:  We have previously presented arguments that there is no violation of physical principles [2,7] and, ironically, that suggesting a change in body mass to be independent of macronutrient composition would itself be a violation of the second law of thermodynamics [7].

[The True Adonis]

The problem with trying to use Feinman`s study is that he has an agenda.

His brother markets a well known Low-Carb diet.

[SteelePegasus]

adams scampers to google to find a rebuttal..he will be gone for a minute