DISGUSTED: Bodybuilding Guru?

[Stavios]

If Adam's methods truly worked he wouldn't have looked like complete shit in the offseason..You seen the pictures...

He looked depleted even in the offseason..

lmao

[The True Adonis]

Hey trop Adam's principles don't account for insulin at all, only calories in versus out..

When you are ingesting a restricted caloric amount, there is little insulin response.
Furthermore in a defecit it does not matter at all.

[troponin]

Hey trop Adam's principles don't account for insulin at all, only calories in versus out..

It doesn't matter if he accounts for insulin or not.  Insulin is a hormone produced by the body in people with normal functioning, whether Adam wants to account for it or not.  

When insulin is secreted by the pancreas, in response to carbohydrate ingestion, Aceyl-CoA carboxylase 2 is produced.  Acetyl-CoA carboxylase 2 is the enzyme that regulates how much fatty acids are transfered to the mitochondria to be utlized for energy.  When Acetyl-Coa carboxylase 2 is elevated, fatty acids are NOT sent to the mitochondria, and oxidation of fatty acids is ceased.  

It is physiologically impossible to utilze fat for energy in the presence of insulin.  It doesn't matter if Adonis counts for it.  

[The True Adonis]

If Adam's methods truly worked he wouldn't have looked like complete shit in the offseason..You seen the pictures...

He looked depleted even in the offseason..

Fucking Protein powder,  chicken breasts and rice.

I overate like a pig on purpose.  My fault.  What a waste.

[EL Mariachi]

a quarter pounder or a big mac is good food, its meat bread and veggies. but here in europe mcdonalds is expensive.

[The True Adonis]

It doesn't matter if he accounts for insulin or not.  Insulin is a hormone produced by the body in people with normal functioning, whether Adam wants to account for it or not.  

When insulin is secreted by the pancreas, in response to carbohydrate ingestion, Aceyl-CoA carboxylase 2 is produced.  Acetyl-CoA carboxylase 2 is the enzyme that regulates how much fatty acids are transfered to the mitochondria to be utlized for energy.  When Acetyl-Coa carboxylase 2 is elevated, fatty acids are NOT sent to the mitochondria, and oxidation of fatty acids is ceased.  

It is physiologically impossible to utilze fat for energy in the presence of insulin.  It doesn't matter if Adonis counts for it.  

Log on to www.MuscularDevelopment. com

Go to the Natural Section.

Please follow along with CASE STUDY 1.  Also, read some of the other posts.  I will answer all questions there.

That should help.

[troponin]

When you are ingesting a restricted caloric amount, there is little insulin response.
Furthermore in a defecit it does not matter at all.

It doesn't matter how little the insulin response.  The enzymatic actions remain the same.  In a state of lowered insulin secretion, Acetyl Coa Carboxylase 2 will be lower, but that only means that the extent of the reducxtion if fatty acid transfer to teh mitochondria is lower.  The fact remains that it is still lower, and fat loss is blunted.
So, a calorie is still not a calorie.

[troponin]

Log on to www.MuscularDevelopment. com

Go to the Natural Section.

Please follow along with CASE STUDY 1.  Also, read some of the other posts.  I will answer all questions there.

That should help.

I'll stay here.  You've given no truthful answer yet, so I feel no need to post a question.

You can stay here and tell my how you can control the enzymatic reactions to nutrient ingestion if you want though.

[Van_Bilderass]

It is physiologically impossible to utilze fat for energy in the presence of insulin.  It doesn't matter if Adonis counts for it. 

Isn't there some insulin in the body constantly? A basal level? So if you have a whey shake before cardio, which stimulates insulin release and which has been shown not to inhibit fat burning how is that possible... please explain what you mean by "in the presence of insulin", is it a certain level it has to reah or what?

[The True Adonis]

It doesn't matter how little the insulin response.  The enzymatic actions remain the same.  In a state of lowered insulin secretion, Acetyl Coa Carboxylase 2 will be lower, but that only means that the extent of the reducxtion if fatty acid transfer to teh mitochondria is lower.  The fact remains that it is still lower, and fat loss is blunted.
So, a calorie is still not a calorie.

I disagree.

[The True Adonis]

I'll stay here.  You've given no truthful answer yet, so I feel no need to post a question.

You can stay here and tell my how you can control the enzymatic reactions to nutrient ingestion if you want though.

I am proving all your theories WRONG by the Case Study at MD.

Please visit.

[benjamin pearson]

I agree in a caloric deficit weight will be lost no matter what..... I have dieted both ways.... now I don't take it to the extremes of Adam and eat all my food from McDonalds but inb regards to fat lost in a caloric deficit fat will be lost no matter what its simple science.... how could the body not loose weight if calories in is less than calories out

[troponin]

I disagree.

It's not up for debate.  These are the physiological processes in the body as we currently know them.  
You don't have to agree or disagree.  You can disagree that there is oxygen in the atmosphere too, but the fact remains that there is oxygen, and we need it to survive.

Time to log off.

[The True Adonis]

It's not up for debate.  These are the physiological processes in the body as we currently know them.  
You don't have to agree or disagree.  You can disagree that there is oxygen in the atmosphere too, but the fact remains that there is oxygen, and we need it to survive.

Time to log off.

You haven`t demonstrated anything. 

[The True Adonis]

I will also add, how can I take your arguments seriously Troponin, when you are just butchering studies in which you admittedly had no clue where they came from.

I think you hear somethign in passing and your ears tend to perk up without doing further research.

This is fine, but do not state things as fact when they are hardly so.

[natural al]

doesnt' the fact that Troop has done prep work for tons of guys on the national level kinda indicate that he might know what he's talking about?  I dont' think you have to know every aspect of every study to speak on an intellegent level about something.

[The True Adonis]

doesnt' the fact that Troop has done prep work for tons of guys on the national level kinda indicate that he might know what he's talking about?  I dont' think you have to know every aspect of every study to speak on an intellegent level about something.

I agree, but he is trying to use bits and pieces from studies in which he did not know the origin.

I will research his claims further.

But I will invite you also, to watch Chaseinator on MD.com

He is being an open book in this whole thing.

[natural al]

I agree, but he is trying to use bits and pieces from studies in which he did not know the origin.

I will research his claims further.

But I will invite you also, to watch Chaseinator on MD.com

He is being an open book in this whole thing.

I know nothing about said individual.

I dont' pretend to be an expert on dieting, I know training, that's what I've spent the last 10 years of my life concentrating on from a BB point of view so I don't speak in these conversations

[The True Adonis]

I think Troponin does well though and is a good trainer/drug advisor and such.

[gh15]

the right way to bulk:

dianabol,,testosterone,,nandrolone

calorie high in the sky with some dirty meals,,aromasin from the pharmacy if you want to eliminate bloat completely,,bloat is good for you though! proviron for hardness and anti estrogen

the right way to cut:

oxandrolone,,testosterone+trenbolone,,,,masteron,,winstrol-inject and halo for final touch in this order too. aromasin and proviron for dryness and extra hardness all through.

every 2 weeks you add in a product till you get to a point where you are on all of them at once for a whole month.

clean diet! 5 days low carbs 1 days high carbs. no cytomel needed,,no clenbuterol needed. you can use some cytomel 25mcg if you add in growth and insulin but in general no cytomel needed when diet is clean,,not even for the trenbolone.

follow this,,this is what you need to see progress worth talking about,,keep doses moderate for optimal results on a 220lb and do me a favor and use human grade for everything beside the tren and masteron

[Disgusted]

Dear God, this is not rocket science. There are certainly fundamental principles that I base my training on and they have worked everytime for ALL people. Some of the stuff that you guys are arguing about are pointless. Yes there is more than one way to ripped but some ways are more efficient than others. The main thing that I see people screw up on is drying out. No one seems to understand this. Shredded dry and with as little muscle loss as possible is the key. Understand this and you have won no matter how you place.

[The True Adonis]

Dear God, this is not rocket science. There are certainly fundamental principles that I base my training on and they have worked everytime for ALL people. Some of the stuff that you guys are arguing about are pointless. Yes there is more than one way to ripped but some ways are more efficient than others. The main thing that I see people screw up on is drying out. No one seems to understand this. Shredded dry and with as little muscle loss as possible is the key. Understand this and you have won no matter how you place.

Exactly.

[Rich Gainihger]

Exactly.

Spot on, brother.

[Mr. Intenseone]

Dear God, this is not rocket science. There are certainly fundamental principles that I base my training on and they have worked everytime for ALL people. Some of the stuff that you guys are arguing about are pointless. Yes there is more than one way to ripped but some ways are more efficient than others. The main thing that I see people screw up on is drying out. No one seems to understand this. Shredded dry and with as little muscle loss as possible is the key. Understand this and you have won no matter how you place.

So your saying that you can't get ripped and dry with Twinkies and Haagen Daz ??

[Rich Gainihger]

So your saying that you can't get ripped and dry with Twinkies and Haagen Daz ??

Intenseone how did you manage to get so fat with clean food?