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Re: DISGUSTED-----------OBVIOUSLY THE MOST EDUCATED "GURU".
« Reply #475 on: January 30, 2007, 02:47:06 PM »
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here are a few if you wouldnt mind commenting

1)mcdonalds is a healthy food, very nutritious and one can eat it all the time and still be healthy.

2)cookies, chocolate,cake etc are all that is needed to diet, since a calorie is a calorie you dont have to eat veggies, steak etc the cake and steak will be processed the same way.

3)its near impossible to lose muscle as long as you lift weights, regardless of diet.

4)all calories are processed the same way by the body

5)high protein diest are a myth and not needed to maintain muscle.

thanks disgusted.

You are taking some of my points out of context by the way.

Same thing you religious freaks do with Einstein.



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Re: DISGUSTED-----------OBVIOUSLY THE MOST EDUCATED "GURU".
« Reply #476 on: January 30, 2007, 02:48:15 PM »
DISGUSTED
here are a few if you wouldnt mind commenting

1)mcdonalds is a healthy food, very nutritious and one can eat it all the time and still be healthy.

2)cookies, chocolate,cake etc are all that is needed to diet, since a calorie is a calorie you dont have to eat veggies, steak etc the cake and steak will be processed the same way.

3)its near impossible to lose muscle as long as you lift weights, regardless of diet.

4)all calories are processed the same way by the body

5)high protein diest are a myth and not needed to maintain muscle.

thanks disgusted.

But I do agree on all of those.

With the exception of number 4 as I have already stated.  A calorie is a calorie though.

A calorie WILL ALWAYS be a Calorie.   1.0000000000000000000000 0000003 Calories will always equal 1.0000000000000000000000 0000003.


Where Troponin is confused and I have already agreed is that A protein is not a carb.  A Protein is not a fat.  A Carb is not a Protein.  A Carb is not a fat.  A fat is not a Protein.  A fat is not a carb.

A calorie will always be a calorie though.

This simple bit of logic has evaded Troponin and just about every single person trying to argue.

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« Reply #477 on: January 30, 2007, 02:53:01 PM »
I came back in a later post and said 1.25. The problem is that I have been doing this so long that I almost never calculate things out, I almost always do it in my head. So when I checked with one of my diets it came out to be around 1.25.

As far as TA it depends on what you are talking about. If you can tell me specifically what it is you are refereing to I will answer. To be honest I have never seen a sample diet of his and I asked him in an earlier post what his theories are but I never got a response.

I will post that information.

A lot can be found on the MD natural section.

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Re: DISGUSTED-----------OBVIOUSLY THE MOST EDUCATED "GURU".
« Reply #478 on: January 30, 2007, 02:54:25 PM »
DISGUSTED
here are a few if you wouldnt mind commenting

1)mcdonalds is a healthy food, very nutritious and one can eat it all the time and still be healthy.

Not true. There are way too many chemicals and impurities and God knows what to call it healthy as in producing a state of longevity. I am not against eating animal fats!

2)cookies, chocolate,cake etc are all that is needed to diet, since a calorie is a calorie you dont have to eat veggies, steak etc the cake and steak will be processed the same way.

Many people have gotten riped on just a caloric reduction type diet while still eating junk food, Mike Mentzer, Cory Everson, Dr CF Smith, but all were on steroids and they did eat protein and the protein use will be maximized due to the steroid usage. Look very carefully at this question. There are three things that you are commenting on that would require a very long careful explaination. I'm just skimming the surface here due to time for now.

3)its near impossible to lose muscle as long as you lift weights, regardless of diet.

Well, define "near". Stop eating all together and still lift then see what happens.  ;D

4)all calories are processed the same way by the body

TA is wording this very carefully. As I said earlier, macronutrients effect the bodies metabolism differently, but saying a cal is a cal is too general to comment on.

5)high protein diest are a myth and not needed to maintain muscle.

Again, define high protein. Also, you have natural BB and those that use steroids. I'll put it this way, stop eating protein and you will die, stop eating fat and you will die, stop eating carbs and you won't die.

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Re: DISGUSTED-----------OBVIOUSLY THE MOST EDUCATED "GURU".
« Reply #479 on: January 30, 2007, 02:55:32 PM »
I will post that information.

A lot can be found on the MD natural section.

I read you entire thread on MD I must have missed it. Looking forward to you posting. THanks

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« Reply #480 on: January 30, 2007, 02:57:47 PM »
I read you entire thread on MD I must have missed it. Looking forward to you posting. THanks
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3384


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« Reply #481 on: January 30, 2007, 02:59:29 PM »
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3384


Here is another

That's the one I read, but I did not see  a sample diet. Post it quick cause I have a hankerin for ice cream.  ;D

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Re: DISGUSTED-----------OBVIOUSLY THE MOST EDUCATED "GURU".
« Reply #482 on: January 30, 2007, 03:01:59 PM »
DISGUSTED
here are a few if you wouldnt mind commenting

1)mcdonalds is a healthy food, very nutritious and one can eat it all the time and still be healthy.

Not true. There are way too many chemicals and impurities and God knows what to call it healthy as in producing a state of longevity. I am not against eating animal fats!

2)cookies, chocolate,cake etc are all that is needed to diet, since a calorie is a calorie you dont have to eat veggies, steak etc the cake and steak will be processed the same way.

Many people have gotten riped on just a caloric reduction type diet while still eating junk food, Mike Mentzer, Cory Everson, Dr CF Smith, but all were on steroids and they did eat protein and the protein use will be maximized due to the steroid usage. Look very carefully at this question. There are three things that you are commenting on that would require a very long careful explaination. I'm just skimming the surface here due to time for now.

3)its near impossible to lose muscle as long as you lift weights, regardless of diet.

Well, define "near". Stop eating all together and still lift then see what happens.  ;D

4)all calories are processed the same way by the body

TA is wording this very carefully. As I said earlier, macronutrients effect the bodies metabolism differently, but saying a cal is a cal is too general to comment on.

5)high protein diest are a myth and not needed to maintain muscle.

Again, define high protein. Also, you have natural BB and those that use steroids. I'll put it this way, stop eating protein and you will die, stop eating fat and you will die, stop eating carbs and you won't die.

thanks disgusted.
 


1) Please Explain the chemicals and which ones you are talking about.  What "chemicals" lie in a Big Mac?  Which are negative?  Please show me a study or evidence for this to be true.  I don`t think you have any.

2)I am not on steroids, never have taken any neither has anyone I am working with.  They will eat whatever they want and become ripped and mantain all muscle.

3)Biopsy and laser imaging are the only way to determine a loss of muscle.  No other way.

4) I have already adressed that so we can erase that one.

5) The requirement for Protein is Extremely low even in athletes and bodybuilders.

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Re: DISGUSTED-----------OBVIOUSLY THE MOST EDUCATED "GURU".
« Reply #483 on: January 30, 2007, 03:04:33 PM »


Many people have gotten riped on just a caloric reduction type diet while still eating junk food, Mike Mentzer, Cory Everson, Dr CF Smith, but all were on steroids and they did eat protein and the protein use will be maximized due to the steroid usage. Look very carefully at this question. There are three things that you are commenting on that would require a very long careful explaination. I'm just skimming the surface here due to time for now.



that's funny because you always hear guys saying that guys on drugs need MORE protein.

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« Reply #484 on: January 30, 2007, 03:05:45 PM »
That's the one I read, but I did not see  a sample diet. Post it quick cause I have a hankerin for ice cream.  ;D

Here is another:

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3406


Here is one of Chase`s days.

Keep in mind that each day is going to be totally different than the next.
Wednesday January 24th, 2007

Two hash browns: 280
1 medium apple: 90
two pieces of wheat bread with one slice of cheddar cheese: 290
same as above: 290
3 meatballs (there small) from trader joes: 180
1 cup measured dry pasta: 420
1/2 cup vodka sauce: 90
1 cup steamed broccoli: 80


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« Reply #485 on: January 30, 2007, 03:06:22 PM »
Thursday 25th of january

Food:

1 cup of oatmeal, cinnimon, blueberries, heavy cream, maple surup = 410
Two slices of wheat bread and one slice of cheese = 290
1/2 cup of coffee = 10
Double cheese burger (mcdonalds) = 460
Maui Short Beef boneless ribs and butternut squash = 610

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« Reply #486 on: January 30, 2007, 03:07:18 PM »
Also keep in mind, this is just to get a constant so I can determine my Formula.

The FORMULA will be TOTALLY DIFFERENT!

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« Reply #487 on: January 30, 2007, 03:13:48 PM »
August 16, 2006
The anti Supersize Me movie from the horse's mouth

Since there were so many comments and questions about the anti Supersize Me movie that MD and were interviewed for and that I posted about last week, I asked the filmmaker, Tom Naughton, if he would write up a brief of what he is trying to do with the movie. He agreed. Here is his overview of his film and his own weight loss efforts.

Well, it's interesting to see how emotional people can become when you mention the word "McDonald's." For my next film I may tackle something less controversial, such as the Iraq war or school prayer.
Several posters asked what direction this film will take. Like "Super Size Me," my film will be a humorous documentary. Spurlock's film was definitely amusing and well-constructed. Unfortunately, I believe he gave the audience a lot of misleading information along with the laughs. I plan to give my audience good information along with the laughs. I believe some of the laughs will be Super-Sized.
This film will NOT portray McDonald's food as health food. It isn't. (I also ate at other fast-food restaurants during my month-long diet, but mostly McDonald's.) But because of changes in the American lifestyle, people are going to eat at fast-food restaurants, like it or not. So part of my goal in this movie is to show how a person can eat fast food without getting fat and suffering other health consequences.
I haven't made final decisions on exactly which scenes to include, but I can certainly describe the highlights, in no particular order:
1. My diet history. I tried vegetarianism, Fit for Life, Pritikin -- all colossal failures. But I've had success with The Zone, Protein Power, Atkins -- all low-carb diets to some degree.
2. My fast-food diet plan: based on my diet history, I aimed for about 2000 calories and reasonably low carbs (about 100 per day, as it turns out ... not really low, but hardly high.)
3. Spurlock Nonsense. If he followed his own self-proclaimed "rules," he could not have consumed 5,000 calories per day; I've done the math. He won't release his food log, despite numerous requests from journalists, and I'm convinced it's because that log would reveal him as a fraud. If you've seen the movie, you'll recall that between weeks three and four, he actually lost a pound, then managed to gain tremendously in the final week. His food log would likely show that he stuffed himself mercilessly to ensure that his final weight gain would be impressive. He wanted the audience to believe that there's something especially fattening about fast food, as opposed to any other sugary/starchy food. As someone who once got fat on Grape Nuts and whole-grain pasta, I disagree.4. How fat are we, anyway? There is, as Dr. Eric Oliver from the University of Chicago explains, no real obesity "epidemic." Since 1970, Americans have become an average of 9 pounds heavier -- we've also become an average of 9 years older. During this same timespan, the CDC lowered the definition of "overweight," and bingo, 50 million Americans became overweight or obese overnight. Do we have a problem? Definitely ... just look at the increase in Type II diabetes. But it's not an epidemic. You can't catch obesity or diabetes from the guy next to you. Government agencies exaggerate (and flat-out lie at times) because it helps them get bigger funding.
5. It's not being fat that kills you, it's the behaviors that make you fat. Many "fat" people are quite healthy. As Dr. Eades can tell you, thin people become diabetic and die of heart attacks, too. Before my fast-food diet, my doctor said my cholesterol profile was very good, my triglycerides (70) were excellent, he complimented my strength and muscle tone, and was pleased to hear that I walk at least 15 miles per week in the hills near my home -- but at a BMI of 31, I'm "obese" and automatically deemed unhealthy.
6. More Spurlock Nonsense. I was particularly annoyed by Spurlock's obvious belief that people consume fast food because they're addicted, ignorant, or both. For someone who declared himself addicted, he somehow managed to quit the stuff cold-turkey and go back to his girlfriend's wacky vegan diet without much effort. After eating at McDonald's every day for a month, I didn't set foot in the place for three weeks. If this is an addiction, it's sure easy to break.
The idea that people consume fast food because they're ignorant is nothing more than class snobbery wearing a mask of concern. Contrary to what many people think, poor people are not ignorant about the nutritional quality of fast food. (Professor Oliver looked into that very topic, among others.) There is, however, much more social pressure to be thin among the upper classes; poor people are more likely to have an attitude of "I'm fat, and I don't care." And if you happen to value immediate pleasure more than long-term health, that's your choice.
I've conducted street interviews with dozens of people about fast food, and guess what? Every single one of them knows McDonald's is selling fattening food. (And most of them eat it anyway.) Many of them could guess the calorie count of a Quarter Pounder, large fries and large Coke within 200 calories. Those who couldn't usually guessed high, not low.
7. The saturated fat / cholesterol / heart disease myth. This is the subject that led me to Dr. Eades. If ignorance is a driving force behind our health problems, it's ignorance that's been promoted by the USDA and other federal agencies that harp on us to cut the fat and eat more grains. Thanks to them, women will buy a Weight Watchers "Smart Ones" dinner -- only one gram of fat!! -- and think it's a good choice, despite the 40 or 50 carbohydrates. Before I knew better, I used to get pancakes for breakfast at McDonald's and skip the butter -- only two grams of fat in pancakes!! The USDA would've approved.
8. The Lowfat Religion. Brought to you largely by the McGovern committee, which cheerfully ignored the testimony it didn't like and swallowed the advice of the low-fat advocates. McGovern was on the Pritikin diet at the time -- but couldn't stay on it. (Being a true politician, he nonetheless told the rest of us to do what he says, not what he does.) Dr. Eades, Dr. Mary Dan Eades, and others will explain how the low-fat, high-carb diet is ineffective at best and dangerous at worst.
9. The Food Police. Once the Lowfat Religion took hold, the evangelists soon followed: groups like the Center for Science in the Public Interest -- almost always identified in news stories as a "consumer advocacy group." A more accurate description would be "a vegetarian activist group posing as scientists." Their self-righteousness would be annoying even if their advice had merit, but it doesn't: They have played a large role in pushing natural animal fats out of the diet. They declared trans fats to be safe and harassed McDonald's and other fast-food restaurants into switching to trans fats from beef tallow and palm oil. (Now, of course, they're suing restaurants for using trans fats.)
10. Exercise. One of the reasons I was impressed with Dr. Eades' books is that he doesn't offer any pie-in-the-sky (or sausage-in-the-sky) promises that you can eat like a maniac, sit on your butt all day, and still lose weight; in fact, he states specifically that to lose weight, you must create a deficit between calories burned and calories consumed. That deficit is largely missing from American society today. We have engineered effort out of our lives. At my local mall, I see people drive around for 15 minutes until they can score a parking spot near the door. In addition to misinformed food choices, that's why we're getting fatter.
11. My results. When my doctor saw that I had consumed an average of 120 grams of fat per day (49 saturated), he told me I'd been on a "widow-maker" diet. He said, "Well, let's see what kind of damage you've done here." Then he measured the results: I lost 12 pounds. My body-fat percentage dropped four points. Triglyerides stood at 83. Blood pressure stayed the same. Cholesterol, a slight dip from 230 to 220, although my HDL had gone down to 48 from 60 -- but even the doctor admitted that could be because I had given up my evening glass of red wine during the diet. When he reviewed all the results, he said, "I don't think I like what you're proving here."12. My next diet. Because the saturated fat / cholesterol issue is so controversial, I spent another month on a no-starch, no-sugar diet that was essentially a saturated-fat pigout: lots of double-cheeseburgers without buns, polish sausages, bacon, eggs, butter, cheese, cream, marbled steaks, coconut oil, etc. The results? My total cholesterol dropped to 209, my HDL went back up to 64, LDL dropped to 130, and my triglycerides dropped to 75. I also lost a couple of pounds, despite the high calorie content, and my body fat dropped another point.
Those are the highlights. I realize my descriptions don't sound funny, but trust me; in addition to my background in journalism, I've been a standup comic for over a decade, and there will be plenty of laughs in this film.
I know some of you reading this will be disappointed that I'm not out to beat up on McDonald's, but in my view, their popularity is a result of our food choices, not the cause of them. Like Dr. Eades (and we didn't discuss this previously), I don't believe individual freedom and corporate responsibility are in opposition. McDonald's doesn't have any more of a "corporate responsibility" to sell me health food than Ben & Jerry's does. If McDonald's wants to spend their own money on ads that encourage me to eat starch and sugar, that doesn't bother me -- I can say no (and usually do). But when groups like CSPI want to use the tax code to force me to pay more for cheeseburgers so they can use the money to tell me to eat more whole grains, that definitely bothers me.
Ultimately, I'm responsible for making choices about my own health and my children's health. I hope this film will give a few people the tools to make better choices of their own.
Tom Naughton
www.TomNaughton.com



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« Reply #488 on: January 30, 2007, 03:14:46 PM »
hey genius, Im a professional with a masters and a doctorate, do your research then get back to me:

"Calorie restriction or Caloric restriction (CR) is the practice of limiting dietary energy intake in the hope that it will improve health and retard aging. In human subjects, CR has been shown to lower cholesterol, fasting glucose, and blood pressure. Some consider these to be biomarkers of aging, since there is a correlation between these markers and risk of diseases associated with aging. Except for houseflies (below), animal species tested with CR so far, including primates, rats, mice, spiders, C. elegans and rotifers, have shown lifespan extension. CR is the only known dietary measure capable of extending maximum lifespan, as opposed to average lifespan."

"While some tests of calorie restriction have shown increased muscle tissue in the calorie-restricted test subjects, how this has occurred is unknown. Muscle tissue grows when stimulated, so it is possible that the calorie-restricted test animals exercised more than their companions on higher calories"

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie_restriction

""Sedentary rats who ate a standard diet had the shortest average life-spans," Holloszy says. "Those who exercised by running on a wheel lived longer, but animals on calorie restriction lived even longer."

"Previous research on mice and rats has shown that both calorie restriction and endurance exercise protect them against many chronic diseases including obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease and some types of cancer. However, the research has shown that only CR increases the animals' maximum lifespan by up to 50 percent. These animal studies suggest that leanness is a key factor in the prevention of age-associated disease, but reducing caloric intake is needed to slow down aging."

It works for people to:

"Fontana says lower levels of T3, cholesterol and the inflammatory molecules TNF and C-reactive protein, combined with evidence of "younger" hearts in people on calorie restriction, suggest that humans on CR have the same adaptive responses as did animals whose rates of aging were slowed by CR.......For the new study, researchers examined 28 members of the Calorie Restriction Society who had been eating a CR diet for an average of six years. Although the CR group consumed fewer calories -- averaging only about 1,800 per day -- they consumed at least 100 percent of the recommended daily amounts of protein and micronutrients. A second group of 28 study subjects was sedentary, and they ate a standard Western diet. A third group in the study ate a standard Western diet -- approximately 2,700 calories per day -- but also did endurance training. The researchers found reduced T3 levels -- similar to those seen in animals whose rate of aging is reduced by CR -- only in the people on CR diets."

source: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:wWNitszv0_cJ:www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060531164818.htm+calorie+reduction+exercise&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4

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"Calorie restriction or Caloric restriction (CR) is the practice of limiting dietary energy intake in the hope that it will improve health and retard aging. In human subjects, CR has been shown to lower cholesterol, fasting glucose, and blood pressure. Some consider these to be biomarkers of aging, since there is a correlation between these markers and risk of diseases associated with aging. Except for houseflies (below), animal species tested with CR so far, including primates, rats, mice, spiders, C. elegans and rotifers, have shown lifespan extension. CR is the only known dietary measure capable of extending maximum lifespan, as opposed to average lifespan."

"While some tests of calorie restriction have shown increased muscle tissue in the calorie-restricted test subjects, how this has occurred is unknown. Muscle tissue grows when stimulated, so it is possible that the calorie-restricted test animals exercised more than their companions on higher calories"

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie_restriction

""Sedentary rats who ate a standard diet had the shortest average life-spans," Holloszy says. "Those who exercised by running on a wheel lived longer, but animals on calorie restriction lived even longer."

"Previous research on mice and rats has shown that both calorie restriction and endurance exercise protect them against many chronic diseases including obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease and some types of cancer. However, the research has shown that only CR increases the animals' maximum lifespan by up to 50 percent. These animal studies suggest that leanness is a key factor in the prevention of age-associated disease, but reducing caloric intake is needed to slow down aging."

It works for people to:

"Fontana says lower levels of T3, cholesterol and the inflammatory molecules TNF and C-reactive protein, combined with evidence of "younger" hearts in people on calorie restriction, suggest that humans on CR have the same adaptive responses as did animals whose rates of aging were slowed by CR.......For the new study, researchers examined 28 members of the Calorie Restriction Society who had been eating a CR diet for an average of six years. Although the CR group consumed fewer calories -- averaging only about 1,800 per day -- they consumed at least 100 percent of the recommended daily amounts of protein and micronutrients. A second group of 28 study subjects was sedentary, and they ate a standard Western diet. A third group in the study ate a standard Western diet -- approximately 2,700 calories per day -- but also did endurance training. The researchers found reduced T3 levels -- similar to those seen in animals whose rate of aging is reduced by CR -- only in the people on CR diets."
source:    http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:wWNitszv0_cJ:www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060531164818.htm+calorie+reduction+exercise&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4

The amount an INSULIN spike is Directly proportion to the AMOUNT of the Carbohydrate in question.

When in Low calories, a few cookies can equate to a cup of oats based on Glycemic Load.

The lower the calories go, the less and less it becomes a factor.

Throw in a defecit with an intense workout(demand for Carb and fat usage) the concern becomes even more non-existant.

Furthmore you require LOW amounts of protein to build muscle and sustain it.

The only thing that WILL cause you to atrophy is lack of training.

This can be seen when Astronauts,who eat well in space prefectly balanced, lose muscle tissue not due to lack of nutrition, but due to no gravity and lack of use.

Does it occur to anyone that todays trainer/diet gurus are demonizing carbohydrates the same way they did to fat back in the 80's?  Hell, I still have a diet article written in Flex back in 84 or 85 (I'll have to dig it out) by Dan Duchaine in which he enthusiastically recomends cutting fat calories to almost 5% while simultaneously amping carb consumption to around 70% or so.  This is the same guru who later on wrote "Bodyopus" which extolled the virtues of the ketogenic diet!  This low carb noise by the likes of Poliquin strikes me as more of the same old "there is only one true diet"... kind of like religion, no? 

Lyle McDonald wrote a fine piece that sums up the diet scene:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/Articles/comparing1.html

Bums on the street and kids in college are most likely not drinking light beer.  And if a guy is averaging 5-6 beers a day it would only take about 2 average meals to put them over their daily intake level.  Forget the snacks that most people eat everyday.

I agree with TA that a calorie is a calorie and that you only need to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight.  It should be obvious by how many different diet programs that exist.  All have different principles, but all have one thing in common - calorie deficit.  The trick is to find a diet plan that doesn't leave you hungry or that doesn't allow you to eat some of the foods you enjoy - a tricky task.

If TA can lose weight while still eating the foods he enjoys and not feel hungry then he has a better chance for long term success than about 99% of the dieters out there that fail.
good luck TA.   
PS low carbs definately works.  I lose weight quickly while on low carbs at a rate of nearly 5 pounds per week without getting hungry.  I eat mostly lean protein sources and vegetables while on a low carb diet.  But the problem with this diet is that it doesn't allow me to drink beer and eat pizza and lasagna and other foods I enjoy.  Hell,  I couldn't go to one of my kids football games yesterday and eat not one thing from their snack shacks while only eating lean mean and vegetables.  The world isn't set up to accomodate those who want to eat healthy regardless of what the food franchises preach.
http://muller.lbl.gov/TRessays/22-ThePhysicsDiet.htm:
The Physics Diet

Want to lose weight? Easy! Just remember the first law of thermodynamics: conservation of energy.

by Richard A. Muller
Technology for Presidents
November 14, 2003

Here's an old joke. The dairy industry hires a physicist to improve milk production. After several weeks, he's ready to lecture about his progress. He draws a circle on the blackboard and says, 'Consider a spherical cow.'

I've told this joke many times, but nobody ever laughs -- except other physicists. For the rest of you, I should explain that it is self-deprecating humor. It makes fun of our penchant for oversimplification.

This month I want to talk about diet and exercise for weight loss, and I'm going to oversimplify on purpose. Consider a spherical physicist.

Most dieters are so concerned about second-order effects, such as daily fluctuations in weight and changes in metabolism, that they lose track of the first law of thermodynamics: conservation of energy.

Want to lose a pound of fat? You can work it off by hiking to the top of a 2,500-story building. Or by running 60 miles. Or by spending 7 hours cleaning animal stalls. (It is amazing what scientists have actually measured. This last example is tabulated in the book Exercise Physiology by G. Brooks and T. Fahey.)

Exercise is a very difficult way to lose weight. Here's a rule of thumb: exercise very hard for one hour (swimming, running, or racquetball)– and you'll lose about one ounce of fat. Light exercise for an hour (gardening, baseball, or golf) will lose you a third of an ounce.  That number is small because fat is a very energy-dense substance: it packs about 4,000 food calories per pound, the same as gasoline, and 15 times as much as in TNT.

If you run for an hour, you'll lose that ounce of fat and also a pound or two of water. By the next day, when you've replenished the water, you might think, 'the weight came right back!' But you'd be wrong -- you really did lose an ounce. It is hard to notice, unless you keep running every day for a month or more, and don't reward yourself after each run with a cookie.

There is a much easier way to lose weight, as we can learn from the first law of thermodynamics. Eat less.

A reasonable daily diet for an adult is 2,000 food calories. That's 8.36 megajoules per day, or about 100 joules per second -- in other words, 100 watts.  Most of that ends up as heat, so you warm a room as much as a bright light bulb. Cut your consumption by 600 calories per day and you'll lose a pound of fat every week. Most diet experts consider that a reasonable goal. Don't drop below 1,000 calories per day, or you might get lethargic. But at 1,400 calories per day, you can easily maintain an active life.

Of course, there is a catch. You'll be hungry.

It's not real hunger–not like the painful hunger of starving people in impoverished countries. It's more of a mild ache, or an itch that you mustn't scratch. To be popular, a diet must somehow cope with this hunger. Weight Watchers does it with peer support. The food pyramid does it by encouraging you to eat unlimited celery. Some high-fat diets satisfy all your old cravings -- and figure you'll eventually cut back the butter you put on your bacon.

Last April, I had once again grown out of my belt. I wasn't grossly overweight: 205 pounds in a six-foot, one-inch body.  That wouldn't be bad for a football player, but I'm 59 years old, and the excess pounds weren't in muscle. I had gained a pound a year for several decades. I felt heavy and old. I decided to try conservation of energy. I gave up lunch and snacks.

How to cope with the hunger? I attempted to enjoy it. I thought of the movie Lawrence of Arabia, in which T.E. Lawrence says, 'The trick is not minding that it hurts.' I told myself that the mild ache was only the sensation of evaporating fat. That interpretation has some basis in physics. When you lose weight, most of your fat is converted to the gases carbon dioxide and water vapor, and so you get rid of fat by breathing it out of your body.

Physics works, and I lost weight. By August, I was down to 175 pounds, a 30-pound drop. My belt went from 42 inches to 36 inches.  My Zen-like approach to hunger also worked; I found myself declining offers of chocolate cake because I didn't want to lose the sensation of evaporation. I didn't change my level of activity, and managed to maintain my diet while taking trips to Cuba and Alaska -- and during  a week-long backpacking excursion in the Sierra Nevada. A key innovation: I kept up the social aspects of lunch, without eating. I watched others gobbling cheeseburgers, while I sipped diet cola. It really wasn't that hard to do. And the mild afternoon discomfort was compensated by several positive developments. Dinner became truly wonderful. I hadn't had pre-dinner hunger for decades. A sharp appetite turns a meal into a feast. No more cheese 'appetizers' for me.

Moreover -- and this may sound silly coming from a physicist -- I was surprised that I began to feel lighter. I no longer walk down streets -- I float. Distant stores seem closer. And my knees have responded to the lighter load. Their aching, which I had mistakenly attributed to aging, went away.

Food is instant gratification. And fast-food chains and gourmet restaurants serve tasty food at remarkably low cost. It is a situation unprecedented in history and unanticipated by our genes. No wonder we are overweight.

Anybody can lose weight. Energy is conserved. Just stop scratching that itch. Of course, you'll have to sacrifice instant gratification. Is it worth it? You decide. Food is delicious and cheap. You might reasonably choose to take advantage of this unique historical circumstance, and decide to be fat.

It's been seven months since I started my diet, and two months since I left it. I've begun eating a light lunch, and having an occasional small snack. I'm still at 175. But I never want to lose the delicious edge of hunger before dinner, or the floating sensation when I walk. Moving takes less energy now, so I have more energy. I no longer feel like a spherical physicist. And for losing weight, dieting sure beats cleaning animal stalls.

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Re: DISGUSTED-----------OBVIOUSLY THE MOST EDUCATED "GURU".
« Reply #489 on: January 30, 2007, 03:22:40 PM »
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Food:

1 cup of oatmeal, cinnimon, blueberries, heavy cream, maple surup = 410
Two slices of wheat bread and one slice of cheese = 290
1/2 cup of coffee = 10
Double cheese burger (mcdonalds) = 460
Maui Short Beef boneless ribs and butternut squash = 610

How are you determining the exact caloric amounts of these foods or are is this just an approximation?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4166689,00.html
http://www.rense.com/general7/whyy.htm

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Re: DISGUSTED-----------OBVIOUSLY THE MOST EDUCATED "GURU".
« Reply #490 on: January 30, 2007, 03:26:06 PM »
How are you determining the exact caloric amounts of these foods or are is this just an approximation?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4166689,00.html
http://www.rense.com/general7/whyy.htm

There are no adverse effects noted.

Also,
Your protein powders are WAY WAY WAY worse if you want to use your rationale.

What about your steroids?  Clearly you would have to agree that eating McDonalds is way Safer than injecting Steroids that you don`t even know what is truly in them.

McDonalds is a great, healthy food.  Anything can be used as long as you do not overeat.

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« Reply #491 on: January 30, 2007, 03:30:00 PM »
How are you determining the exact caloric amounts of these foods or are is this just an approximation?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4166689,00.html
http://www.rense.com/general7/whyy.htm

You also might want to get your information from another source other than Jeff Rense. 

Criticism
By virtue of his non-conventional views, Jeff Rense has often courted controversy. Rense has been accused of racism, anti-Semitism[5] and Holocaust denial, though he claims he is actually pro-Jewish yet anti-Zionist. He believes that Zionists are "in control of the world" through their dominance of central banking and global finance. Rense claims that the ultimate goal of the Zionist illuminati is to bring in a "New World Order" - a system of government in which all nation states are dissolved and replaced by an undemocratic, global government. Some of his guests have criticized the Jewish religion, and have allegedly repeated false quotes from the Jewish Talmud. He has also given airtime to Holocaust deniers such as Ernst Zündel and Mark Weber, and backs theories that the Holocaust has been greatly exaggerated and used in various ways by "Jewish supremacists" for political power and that "Jewish financiers and bankers were ultimately responsible for hostility towards Jews."

His website once contained reprints from the conspiratorial Spotlight magazine, known anti-Semitic forgeries such as the A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, and Holocaust denial material reprinted from the Institute for Historical Review, which the journal History Teacher called "shockingly racist and anti-Semitic". [6]

He justifies this by claiming he is defending free speech and does not necessarily support all of what his guests have to say, and states that he is anti-Zionist rather than anti-Semitic. Jeff Rense has interviewed many non-whites and Jews on his show including conspiracy theorist Barry Chamish and also advertised the Neturei Karta affiliate Jews Against Zionism. Rense and several of his guests and columnists claim to have been victims of death threats and intimidation from critics that he considers "Zionists." [7][8][9]

Additionally, there is much contention between Rense and researchers Victor Thorn and Lisa Guiliani of the World Independent News Group, mainly because of his refusal to take some of his guests (particularly Alex Jones and Greg Szymanski) to task for their sensationalism and monopolization (specifically by refusing to mention other, non-affiliated groups and individuals such as WING, they cite, amongst other proofs, censorship and his refusal to report on various rallies, some of which were rather large, numbering in 250,000 participants in front of the White House lawn, which would show how widespread, and thus credible, the movement and its basic position is).[10] Also in the case of Zionism, they complain that Rense delivers scant information on the subject, and buries it under tabloid-style material concerning the paranormal. They claim that he does not make any clear stance on this or related issues, such as the holocaust.


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« Reply #492 on: January 30, 2007, 03:33:08 PM »
There are no adverse effects noted.

Also,
Your protein powders are WAY WAY WAY worse if you want to use your rationale.

I am not a big fan of protein powders either for that reason.

What about your steroids?  Clearly you would have to agree that eating McDonalds is way Safer than injecting Steroids that you don`t even know what is truly in them.

Not sure what you mean by "what is in steroids". The hormones in fat food meat (and all I'm sure) are causing children to reach puberty at a much earlier age. Many of the same steroids that BB take.

McDonalds is a great, healthy food.  Anything can be used as long as you do not overeat.

Anything that has a artificial chemicals is not "healthy"  imo. The problem is that NO ONE knows the long term effect that these chemicals have so I am not willing to be the long term guinea pig.


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« Reply #493 on: January 30, 2007, 03:33:57 PM »
Your favorite McDonald's sandwiches are made with USDA-inspected 100% beef, high quality chicken and fish and real eggs. 
 
 
All of our burgers are made with USDA-inspected 100% beef to ensure high quality and great taste.

As one of the nation's leading purchasers of agricultural products, McDonald's consistently advocates and enforces the strongest possible food safety standards and regulations. In fact, we maintain a select list of only the top beef suppliers in the country and continually conduct independent third-party audits to ensure safety and quality. 
 
 
We purchase premium chicken from leading suppliers like Tyson. So from our Premium Chicken Sandwiches to our Chicken McNuggets, you can trust McDonald's to always provide great tasting, high quality chicken. Following McDonald's strict food safety procedures, all of our chicken is carefully inspected to ensure top quality and freshness. 
 
 
We use real eggs to make your favorite breakfast sandwiches like Egg McMuffin and McGriddles Sandwiches.

Did you know? McDonald's was the first Quick Service Restaurant to invent a quality portable breakfast sandwich for people on the go.

The sandwich: Egg McMuffin. The year: 1973. 
 
 
Our Filet-O-Fish sandwich is made from white fish from the cold, deep waters of the Pacific Ocean and Bering, Baltic and North Seas. We take pride in the fact that the quality standards we use when preparing fish far surpass federal requirements. 

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« Reply #494 on: January 30, 2007, 03:34:24 PM »
You also might want to get your information from another source other than Jeff Rense. 

Criticism
By virtue of his non-conventional views, Jeff Rense has often courted controversy. Rense has been accused of racism, anti-Semitism[5] and Holocaust denial, though he claims he is actually pro-Jewish yet anti-Zionist. He believes that Zionists are "in control of the world" through their dominance of central banking and global finance. Rense claims that the ultimate goal of the Zionist illuminati is to bring in a "New World Order" - a system of government in which all nation states are dissolved and replaced by an undemocratic, global government. Some of his guests have criticized the Jewish religion, and have allegedly repeated false quotes from the Jewish Talmud. He has also given airtime to Holocaust deniers such as Ernst Zündel and Mark Weber, and backs theories that the Holocaust has been greatly exaggerated and used in various ways by "Jewish supremacists" for political power and that "Jewish financiers and bankers were ultimately responsible for hostility towards Jews."

His website once contained reprints from the conspiratorial Spotlight magazine, known anti-Semitic forgeries such as the A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, and Holocaust denial material reprinted from the Institute for Historical Review, which the journal History Teacher called "shockingly racist and anti-Semitic". [6]

He justifies this by claiming he is defending free speech and does not necessarily support all of what his guests have to say, and states that he is anti-Zionist rather than anti-Semitic. Jeff Rense has interviewed many non-whites and Jews on his show including conspiracy theorist Barry Chamish and also advertised the Neturei Karta affiliate Jews Against Zionism. Rense and several of his guests and columnists claim to have been victims of death threats and intimidation from critics that he considers "Zionists." [7][8][9]

Additionally, there is much contention between Rense and researchers Victor Thorn and Lisa Guiliani of the World Independent News Group, mainly because of his refusal to take some of his guests (particularly Alex Jones and Greg Szymanski) to task for their sensationalism and monopolization (specifically by refusing to mention other, non-affiliated groups and individuals such as WING, they cite, amongst other proofs, censorship and his refusal to report on various rallies, some of which were rather large, numbering in 250,000 participants in front of the White House lawn, which would show how widespread, and thus credible, the movement and its basic position is).[10] Also in the case of Zionism, they complain that Rense delivers scant information on the subject, and buries it under tabloid-style material concerning the paranormal. They claim that he does not make any clear stance on this or related issues, such as the holocaust.


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« Reply #495 on: January 30, 2007, 03:34:56 PM »
McDonald's dairy products are made from real milk and cream and provide important nutrients needed every day for good health, including protein, vitamin A, calcium, magnesium, phosphorus and potassium. 
 
 
We offer two milk varieties (plain or chocolate) from suppliers such as Dean Foods. Our 1% Low Fat milk is pasteurized, homogenized and immediately packaged fresh and cold. McDonald's milk is an excellent source of calcium and vitamin D and a good source of vitamin A. 
 
 
We use a special blend of pasteurized American cheese from suppliers like Kraft, a popular brand in many family households. Every time you bite into one of McDonald's cheeseburgers or an Egg McMuffin sandwich, you taste pure, melted quality. 
 
 
Our Vanilla Low Fat Yogurt comes from renowned suppliers such as Dannon and General Mills. Dannon has been making yogurt for more than 60 years, and uses only Grade A low fat milk, plus live and active yogurt cultures that are carefully cultivated. 

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« Reply #496 on: January 30, 2007, 03:36:02 PM »
McDonald's uses fresh fruit and vegetables in a variety of our menu options. Whether it is a Premium Salad, Fruit 'n Yogurt Parfait, or just the fresh lettuce and tomatoes used on sandwiches. 
 
 
We select only the best Granny Smith, Gala, Jonagold, Empire apples and more from some of the same apple orchards that supply your local grocery stores and fruit stands. Sweet and crisp, you'll notice the quality every time you taste our Fruit & Walnut salad or bite into the warm baked apple pie. 
 
 
We use only USDA 1 red seedless grapes and candied Diamond walnuts in every Fruit & Walnut salad. 
 
 
All of our berries are carefully selected from many of the top farms across North America. In fact we even work with local growers to ensure that they're grown in perfect field conditions. Premium quality and flavor is ensured at every step, from the fields to your Fruit 'n Yogurt Parfait. 
 
 
Our entrée salads provide three of your daily servings of vegetables. And since they're made with only the freshest mixed greens, they're an excellent source of vitamins A and C. Green Leaf lettuce is used on sandwiches and burgers because of its sweet flavor and crisp texture.

From the farm to the table, our entire method of harvest and transportation is designed to keep the lettuce crisp with no freezing at any stage. So you always get a quality Premium Salad prepared fresh daily. 
 
 
Want to know the secret to our world famous French Fries and Hash Browns? It's the potatoes. We use only select potatoes available from the best potato farmers across the country, and we pick them all at the perfect time of year. After they're cut, they're immediately frozen to retain that unmatched flavor and texture you've come to expect. 
 
 
The tomatoes we use in our Premium Salads and sandwiches are grown in farms across North America. The tomatoes are then sorted, selected for color and flavor, and delivered fresh to the restaurant

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« Reply #497 on: January 30, 2007, 03:38:01 PM »
Your favorite McDonald's sandwiches are made with USDA-inspected 100% beef, high quality chicken and fish and real eggs. 
 
 
All of our burgers are made with USDA-inspected 100% beef to ensure high quality and great taste.

As one of the nation's leading purchasers of agricultural products, McDonald's consistently advocates and enforces the strongest possible food safety standards and regulations. In fact, we maintain a select list of only the top beef suppliers in the country and continually conduct independent third-party audits to ensure safety and quality. 
 
 
We purchase premium chicken from leading suppliers like Tyson. So from our Premium Chicken Sandwiches to our Chicken McNuggets, you can trust McDonald's to always provide great tasting, high quality chicken. Following McDonald's strict food safety procedures, all of our chicken is carefully inspected to ensure top quality and freshness. 
 
 
We use real eggs to make your favorite breakfast sandwiches like Egg McMuffin and McGriddles Sandwiches.

Did you know? McDonald's was the first Quick Service Restaurant to invent a quality portable breakfast sandwich for people on the go.

The sandwich: Egg McMuffin. The year: 1973. 
 
 
Our Filet-O-Fish sandwich is made from white fish from the cold, deep waters of the Pacific Ocean and Bering, Baltic and North Seas. We take pride in the fact that the quality standards we use when preparing fish far surpass federal requirements. 


Means nothing! I am not against real food, only artificial "food" laiden with chemicals and hormones both of which are in McDonalds foods!

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« Reply #498 on: January 30, 2007, 03:39:02 PM »
artificial chemicals and hormones both of which are in McDonalds foods!

steroids aren't artificial chemicals and hormones?

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« Reply #499 on: January 30, 2007, 03:43:06 PM »
steroids aren't artificial chemicals and hormones?

Steroids are artificial chemical hormones.