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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2007, 07:55:03 AM »
i highly doubt that, what most guys think is 4000 is more like 2800-3000 in reality.

well i actually calculate what i eat so. two big macs alone is 1000 calories. im not talking about some diet. i dont diet  ;D

4000 calories at 6 meals a day only average 666 calories.
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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2007, 07:55:59 AM »
i plan to average 10,000 calories a day in the near future, and be 350 pounds solid

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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2007, 07:56:33 AM »
well i actually calculate what i eat so. two big macs alone is 1000 calories. im not talking about some diet. i dont diet  ;D

4000 calories at 6 meals a day only average 666 calories.
what i'm saying is that most people drastically overestimate how many calories are in given foods.

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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2007, 07:57:15 AM »
1 package of ramen noodes is 380 calories for on 10 CENTS!!!!!!! it IS affordable

eat 30 packs of ramen noodles a day whats that 10,000 calories ITS TOO EASY
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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2007, 07:58:14 AM »
what i'm saying is that most people drastically overestimate how many calories are in given foods.

yes i would agree with that, especially those who has a problem packing on size they usually start out with "well i eat all the time man!!! and i still wont grow!"
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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2007, 07:59:29 AM »
look at it this way, two large loaded Meat Lovers pizzas from Pizza Hut is probably right around 8000 calories, how many people could do that or the equivalent day in and day out?

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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2007, 08:06:21 AM »
1 package of ramen noodes is 380 calories for on 10 CENTS!!!!!!! it IS affordable

eat 30 packs of ramen noodles a day whats that 10,000 calories ITS TOO EASY

lol, dude, no one is eating 10,000 cal per day
http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/06582.html

Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1 container, individual (64.0 g)
 
Amount Per Serving
Calories 296Calories from Fat 127
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 14.1g22%
Saturated Fat 6.3g31%
Cholesterol 0mg0%
Sodium 1434mg60%
Total Carbohydrates 36.8g12%
Protein 5.6g
 
Vitamin A 8% • Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 0% • Iron 12%
 
* Based on a 2000 calorie diet


good luck with that...No one can survive eating like that
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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2007, 08:07:58 AM »
lol, dude, no one is eating 10,000 cal per day
http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/06582.html

Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1 container, individual (64.0 g)
 
Amount Per Serving
Calories 296Calories from Fat 127
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 14.1g22%
Saturated Fat 6.3g31%
Cholesterol 0mg0%
Sodium 1434mg60%
Total Carbohydrates 36.8g12%
Protein 5.6g
 
Vitamin A 8% • Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 0% • Iron 12%
 
* Based on a 2000 calorie diet


good luck with that...No one can survive eating like that

exactly, like i said, most guys drastically overestimate how many claories they think they eat.

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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2007, 08:08:51 AM »
problem is though that even that big plate of pasta is around 700 calories so that's really not that much food.

dude, you are talking about 14 big plates of pasta in one day, every day.


look at it this way, that is one big plate every hour you are awake
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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2007, 08:13:29 AM »
Their is no reason to eat 8000+ calories for all but a few strong men and bbers.  It fucks with your metabolism, its hard on your digestive system, kidneys and liver, most of it ends up in the shitter since you body can only use so much. Mike Metzner proved you dont needs loads and loads of food to make good gains. Besides an endomorph really doesnt need many calories but a ectomorph might so  saying the amount of food is more important than the training doesnt apply in most cases.
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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2007, 08:16:37 AM »
Their is no reason to eat 8000+ calories for all but a few strong men and bbers.  It fucks with your metabolism, its hard on your digestive system, kidneys and liver, most of it ends up in the shitter since you body can only use so much. Mike Metzner proved you dont needs loads and loads of food to make good gains. Besides an endomorph really doesnt need many calories but a ectomorph might so  saying the amount of food is more important than the training doesnt apply in most cases.
for once i actually agree with you, especially in this country with all of the technological advances nobody really does anything physical anymore so our caloric needs are very low, i'd wager to guess that the average bb'ers 12-13 set workout burns AT MOST 200 calories.

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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2007, 08:19:13 AM »
for the sakes of argument lets say that someone consumes 7,000 per day every day

how much of that would have to be expended daily to efficiently gain muscle and not fat?

clearly waddy is not fat so he much be burning enough to not gain fat.

still, I am guessing that he is round 3,500-4,000 cals at the most

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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2007, 08:23:30 AM »
for once i actually agree with you, especially in this country with all of the technological advances nobody really does anything physical anymore so our caloric needs are very low, i'd wager to guess that the average bb'ers 12-13 set workout burns AT MOST 200 calories.

Squad, you raise an interesting point. But yet people insist that lifting alone is enough to put you in caloric defecit.  They must be eating bird seeds.  A good meal is 500 cal, right there is double the amount used up while working out
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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2007, 08:23:50 AM »
for the sakes of argument lets say that someone consumes 7,000 per day every day

how much of that would have to be expended daily to efficiently gain muscle and not fat?

clearly waddy is not fat so he much be burning enough to not gain fat.

still, I am guessing that he is round 3,500-4,000 cals at the most


exactly right and make no mistake 3500-4000 calories is A LOT of food, more than most guys think.

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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2007, 08:32:33 AM »
for once i actually agree with you, especially in this country with all of the technological advances nobody really does anything physical anymore so our caloric needs are very low, i'd wager to guess that the average bb'ers 12-13 set workout burns AT MOST 200 calories.

Right back at ya.

When im at the gym many of the lifters I watch put as much effort into their workouts as they do climbing the stairs. The average workout, and I stess average doesnt burn near as many calories as you think it might. From personal experience I can honestly say when I clean my diet up each spring I still dont drop any weight until I add cardio to my workouts(an hour 5 days per week) and I think im more active the the average person. Meal frequency/timing, and ratio are much more important than a massive load of calories to making gains
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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2007, 08:37:53 AM »
Right back at ya.

When im at the gym many of the lifters I watch put as much effort into their workouts as they do climbing the stairs. The average workout, and I stess average doesnt burn near as many calories as you think it might. From personal experience I can honestly say when I clean my diet up each spring I still dont drop any weight until I add cardio to my workouts(an hour 5 days per week) and I think im more active the the average person. Meal frequency/timing, and ratio are much more important than a massive load of calories to making gains


dude, you are I must have the worse genetics known to man. Even with cleaning my diet up I still need a fair bit of cardio to get the job done.

these fuckers are consuming 3,500-4000 cal of mc donalds and ramen noodles and dropping fat without cardio and no drugs  ;)
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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2007, 10:37:37 AM »
The Titan Speaks!

I will say this:  Gravity and resistance are the most important thing.  Without it, food will do nothing.  Astronauts, on a regular diet, in space, quickly start to wither away within 24 hours, no matter what they eat.

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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2007, 11:18:44 AM »

dude, you are I must have the worse genetics known to man. Even with cleaning my diet up I still need a fair bit of cardio to get the job done.

these fuckers are consuming 3,500-4000 cal of mc donalds and ramen noodles and dropping fat without cardio and no drugs  ;)

I have a basic Endo/Meso build. Leaning up for me has always been a pain while buddys of mine eat crap all the time, work out half as hard and still show abs. On the flip side I can walk away from  the gym for months at a time but dont loose any mucle size to speak of and can get back in the swing of things in just a few weeks. I really have to do a good bit of cardio and REALLY watch my diet about 2200 cal/day to start to lean up. At least strength and size have never been an issue  ;D
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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2007, 12:04:45 PM »
I have a basic Endo/Meso build. Leaning up for me has always been a pain while buddys of mine eat crap all the time, work out half as hard and still show abs. On the flip side I can walk away from  the gym for months at a time but dont loose any mucle size to speak of and can get back in the swing of things in just a few weeks. I really have to do a good bit of cardio and REALLY watch my diet about 2200 cal/day to start to lean up. At least strength and size have never been an issue  ;D

lol, I look at an extra grain of rice and I gain a pound.  But as stated on the plus side we usually out muscle most of our training buddies (they really hate that).

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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2007, 12:09:17 PM »
i have no fucing idea how yall put away that much...

i struggle to get to the 2000 mark daily..and often miss it..

except when on tren..man o man i'm constantly hungry then..
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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2007, 12:10:21 PM »
8 sets of 315 on what?
he said incline right?

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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2007, 12:12:45 PM »
i plan to average 10,000 calories a day in the near future, and be 350 pounds solid
ahem, you need something else in your arsinal if you want to be solid 350.

try test cyp or e, some anadrol, some eq, and some tren. with that and your 8000 calories, you will be 350.

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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2007, 12:17:11 PM »


bullshit mate..



actually measure out 8000 cals and put it on a table...

how can you afford to eat that much let alone how do they let you constantly eat at work?


8000 calories = 6.15 pints of Haagen Dasz  @2.79 each.  That's $17 a day. I spend more than that on lunch.

And you wouldn't have to be eating constantly either.  The average person could put doen two of them in a sitting without too much difficulty...  breakfast, lunch, and dinner!   
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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2007, 12:19:27 PM »


i will be the best bodybuilder ever

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Re: The AMOUNT of food is more important than Training
« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2007, 12:33:45 PM »

8000 calories = 6.15 pints of Haagen Dasz  @2.79 each.  That's $17 a day. I spend more than that on lunch.

And you wouldn't have to be eating constantly either.  The average person could put doen two of them in a sitting without too much difficulty...  breakfast, lunch, and dinner!   

lol, you are one crazy fucker for even thinking of this. Your math is slightly off..I think..correct me if I am wrong

1/2 cup  = 1/4 pint = 270 cals
2 cups   = 1 pint = 1080 cals
7.5 pints * 1080 = 8100


Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1/2 cup (106.0 g)
 
Amount Per Serving
Calories 270Calories from Fat 162
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 18.0g28%
Saturated Fat 11.0g55%
Cholesterol 115mg38%
Sodium 75mg3%
Total Carbohydrates 22.0g7%
Sugars 21.0g
Protein 5.0g
 
* Based on a 2000 calorie diet
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