Iraqi Army is worthless

[headhuntersix]

I figured I would post this before the libs jumped on it. You all know where I stand on the war but I would like, for once, to back somebody who can fight. The Iraqi army is a joke. Arabs are incapable of fighting against the West on any level other other then an insurgency or a cowardly terrorist attack. The aim of which seems not kill soldiers but women and children.

01-31-2007 - Roger Charles
Latest Iraqi Army "Victory" - NOT

President's Note: The recent fight with the cult near Najaf has been portrayed by the trained liars as a great feat of arms for the Iraqi Army. The truth, as reported by our unimpeachable source, is starkly different, and does not augur well for the "Iraqization" of the war. s/f, Rog Charles

The "decimation" by Iraqi forces is propaganda. The Iraqi authorities did not attack the cult earlier because it was affiliated with Muqtada al Sadr. The attack was orchestrated by American forces after receiving intel that the cult was going to take over the shiite shrine Najaf. Most of the Iraqi soldiers in the attack ran away or refused to fight after they received heavy fire from the compound. It was only when American forces arrived from MNC-B and when US air strikes devastated the compound that the Iraqi's claimed success. We are claiming this victory for the Iraqis, because of the politics involved, but had it not been for US forces, the Iraqis would have failed miserably. My buddies in Iraq said the "new" strategy is for Americans to lead the attacks, not the Iraqis. This way we can claim the success for the Iraqi's, much like the way "social promotion" is used in American public schools. The Iraqi's receive the credit, even if they cannot do the job. A buddy told me the Iraqis have a new slogan "Let The Americans Do It." Last year US forces would make the Iraqis lead the way; now American forces lead the way with some Iraqi's in tow to make it look like an Iraqi operation. Iraqi Army and Police Units will deliberately arrive late so Americans will kick off the operation without them and after the Americans have won, the Iraqi's will show up at the very end and claim their Iraqi victory.

The "new strategy" is nothing more than Americans doing the job for them and giving them the credit

[240 is Back]

when i was a teacher, there was a rule.  If 50% of your class failed something, it was not their fault.  It was yours.  That meant that either your level of expectation was too high (rare), or your system of instruction/guided practice/independent practice/evaluation was piss poor.

If we've been running the place for 3+ years and training their forces for 2+ years, and they still are pissing into the wind, then we have some incompetent-ass people doing the training.  Don't blame it on lazy or incompetent people either - they operated fine for saddam, right?  If they're demotivated after being given freedom, then they are a flawed people and not worth shedding US blood for.

[headhuntersix]

Operated fine ....Dude my unit..my guys killed tons of their armor. Anytime they tried we crushed em. Look at the battle of 73 Easting during gulf war 1. An American tank company from the 2nd ACR got over enthusiastic and ran ahead of its battalion. They ran into a regiment of Republican Guard. They shitbeat them with 14 M1a1's. An entire regiment of T-72's and accompanying vehicles. They can't fight their way out of a paper bag. They are lazy and incompetent. Its not our fault. If these guys were Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans..they'd have smoked the dog snot ouita the insurgency by now. Arabs..besides the damm insurgents, can't fight..or won't.

[240 is Back]

Operated fine ....Dude my unit..my guys killed tons of their armor. Anytime they tried we crushed em. Look at the battle of 73 Easting during gulf war 1. An American tank company from the 2nd ACR got over enthusiastic and ran ahead of its battalion. They ran into a regiment of Republican Guard. They shitbeat them with 14 M1a1's. An entire regiment of T-72's and accompanying vehicles. They can't fight their way out of a paper bag. They are lazy and incompetent. Its not our fault. If these guys were Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans..they'd have smoked the dog snot ouita the insurgency by now. Arabs..besides the damm insurgents, can't fight..or won't.

So the insurgents are a hardworking, cunning group, living on scraps and limited resupply line, yet they manage to stalemate our forces for 4 years?

Yet the Iraqi Army/police, with all our technology, power, motivation, etc for 2+ years - and they still can't tie their own shoes?

I don't get it it... why are they better than us when motivated (insurgents), but slackers when given all our tools?  If they're that lazy, cut their checks and bring in others willing to do the work.  Hell, I bet you could cart in 50,000 mexicans, train them for 10 weeks, and let them police baghdad more effectively

[headhuntersix]

I don't know. I have thought about this. Why didn't the damm South Vietnamese fight hard..same folks..same rice..better equipment. The insurgency is not exactly complicted. I guess it comes dowen to ideology. They believe their dying for god or some damm thing. These guys won't meet us head on. They pick their battles....stage BS attacks. Given time we will wear them down...Its working in places,  but we can't win this. We, as Americans', lack the will to win. The American people don't have the stomach for the fight. The media slants things..they don't report the good we are doing.....its not news. Its the same here. 6 months and a media blackout and it would all be over.

[240 is Back]

I don't know. I have thought about this. Why didn't the damm South Vietnamese fight hard..same folks..same rice..better equipment. The insurgency is not exactly complicted. I guess it comes dowen to ideology. They believe their dying for god or some damm thing. These guys won't meet us head on. They pick their battles....stage BS attacks. Given time we will wear them down...Its working in places,  but we can't win this. We, as Americans', lack the will to win. The American people don't have the stomach for the fight. The media slants things..they don't report the good we are doing.....its not news. Its the same here. 6 months and a media blackout and it would all be over.

I don't see why the american peoples' opinion on the legitimacy of the war would affect you guys' performance.  You KNOW everyone supports the troops.  Hell, the liberals who cry about bringing you home, are tired of seeing 3 to 5 troops die.  If they didn't care, they wouldn't make noise about it.

Many analysts here say that thru history, there has never been an invading force which conquers and wins without staying forever.  the people who live there can wait longer, they have nothing to live for except the battle, and they'll die for it because they don't have a plan B (like the US soldiers can go home afterwards - these cats are fighting FOR their home).

They're gonna win, period.  I'm not saying this because I support the enemy, i obviously would stand by your side and execute insurgents til our trigger fingers cramped   But if they're alive, you can't win.  Period.  And if you kill them all, the world will shit their pants and there will be a void quickly filled by pricks from next door from syria/iran anyway.

I'm not sure Bush believes we can win the conflict.  I DO believe he thinks we can win the energy war, battling in baghdad and cities just long enough to install the pipeline, then to back off and guard it.  That's what many people here think:  that its just a maintenance war to stall while the pipeline gets built. 

[Dos Equis]

I don't know. I have thought about this. Why didn't the damm South Vietnamese fight hard..same folks..same rice..better equipment. The insurgency is not exactly complicted. I guess it comes dowen to ideology. They believe their dying for god or some damm thing. These guys won't meet us head on. They pick their battles....stage BS attacks. Given time we will wear them down...Its working in places,  but we can't win this. We, as Americans', lack the will to win. The American people don't have the stomach for the fight. The media slants things..they don't report the good we are doing.....its not news. Its the same here. 6 months and a media blackout and it would all be over.

I was just asking someone on the ground about this.  Why can't we just cut of their supply lines (or as Colin Powell said during Desert Storm:  "first we're going to cut it off, then we're going to kill it.").

What I'm hearing is we don't know precisely who is supplying these animals.  Probably Iran and Syria.  There are also large supplies of weapons left over from Saddam's regime. 

Also, they are using civilians as cover.  Just look at the bombing a couple days ago.  Suicide bombers walk into a food market and blow themselves up.  Very difficult to defend against something like that.  These animals use schools, hospitals, mosques, residential neighborhoods, etc.  It's tough man. 

[Jeff Miller]

I figured I would post this before the libs jumped on it. You all know where I stand on the war but I would like, for once, to back somebody who can fight. The Iraqi army is a joke. Arabs are incapable of fighting against the West on any level other other then an insurgency or a cowardly terrorist attack. The aim of which seems not kill soldiers but women and children.

01-31-2007 - Roger Charles
Latest Iraqi Army "Victory" - NOT

President's Note: The recent fight with the cult near Najaf has been portrayed by the trained liars as a great feat of arms for the Iraqi Army. The truth, as reported by our unimpeachable source, is starkly different, and does not augur well for the "Iraqization" of the war. s/f, Rog Charles

The "decimation" by Iraqi forces is propaganda. The Iraqi authorities did not attack the cult earlier because it was affiliated with Muqtada al Sadr. The attack was orchestrated by American forces after receiving intel that the cult was going to take over the shiite shrine Najaf. Most of the Iraqi soldiers in the attack ran away or refused to fight after they received heavy fire from the compound. It was only when American forces arrived from MNC-B and when US air strikes devastated the compound that the Iraqi's claimed success. We are claiming this victory for the Iraqis, because of the politics involved, but had it not been for US forces, the Iraqis would have failed miserably. My buddies in Iraq said the "new" strategy is for Americans to lead the attacks, not the Iraqis. This way we can claim the success for the Iraqi's, much like the way "social promotion" is used in American public schools. The Iraqi's receive the credit, even if they cannot do the job. A buddy told me the Iraqis have a new slogan "Let The Americans Do It." Last year US forces would make the Iraqis lead the way; now American forces lead the way with some Iraqi's in tow to make it look like an Iraqi operation. Iraqi Army and Police Units will deliberately arrive late so Americans will kick off the operation without them and after the Americans have won, the Iraqi's will show up at the very end and claim their Iraqi victory.

The "new strategy" is nothing more than Americans doing the job for them and giving them the credit

Have you fought next to the Iraqis?  Have you mourned with them when their friends and brothers get killed?  Have you trained them?  If not, then shut the f*** up and stop talking out your ass.

I was on Haifa Street with them TWICE this last month.  Google search it to see what went down.

And 73 Eastings, blah blah blah.  No disrespect to COL McMasters and his boys -- know the guy, served with the guy, and respect the hell out of him.  But its irrelevent to what we are doing now.

This whole thread is nothing but mindless, factless, pointless drivel -- you sound like old duffers sitting around the VFW hall.  Why don't you guys try posting topics on which you can actually speak knowledgably?  Or are you just trying to impress the kiddies?

[ToxicAvenger]

jess...you've been there forever..when do you comeback?

[Jeff Miller]

jess...you've been there forever..when do you comeback?

Soon...In Sha Allah ("If God Wills It")......

[ToxicAvenger]

Soon...In Sha Allah ("If God Wills It")......

come back safe man...you've paid more than your share of dues..

and i know what in sha allah mean ya nit...my family is muslim...

[24KT]

Soon...In Sha Allah ("If God Wills It")......

In Sha Allah?    {giggle} Yep... you've definitely been there too long. 

Glad to see you poke your head in Jeff. Stay Safe!

[JOHN MATRIX]

I figured I would post this before the libs jumped on it. You all know where I stand on the war but I would like, for once, to back somebody who can fight. The Iraqi army is a joke. Arabs are incapable of fighting against the West on any level other other then an insurgency or a cowardly terrorist attack. The aim of which seems not kill soldiers but women and children.

this paragraph is true. i feel sorry for the 'iraqi army' after we pull out...they are going to get slaughtered

[240 is Back]

this paragraph is true. i feel sorry for the 'iraqi army' after we pull out...they are going to get slaughtered

Why?

Why can't they do their damn job?  They kept peace before we arrived and stirred the ethnic pot.

[Camel Jockey]

headhunter is frustrated so he goes around making posts like this:

"fuggin rags, i hate em, my dogs > rags. Just the other day I was thinkin about Tom Brady and his awesome passing ability even though him and the pats blew it. I was thinking about Brady's tight backside but then some fuggin rag blew himself up. Fuggin fags always fight cowardly and have no skills, even though they've been keepin us at bay for 3 years now. Man I thought 'FUCK DEM RAGS' then and I though 'why couldn't Tom Brady become an army ranger like Pat Tillman?' That way I'd be next to my hero. Just the other day I was cleaning my m-16 and I thought man, Manny Ramirez is a fat mexican but hits it wicked harddd. Speakin of wicked hadddd, my squad fucked up some rags last friday and it made me very happy to fuck up some of dem rags."

[headhuntersix]

Hey Jockey shut the fuck up thanks....Hey Jeff No disrespect. I was there in 03. I'm a tanker I fought the conventioanl war but I have buddies on the training teams. I'm in Afghanistan now. I posted it because its all I've heard. They won't fight. The Afghans are hit and miss. The police sucks but the ex northern alliance guys are like lions.

[headhuntersix]

Here's the other thing.....I left in 03 after about 7 months. I did a job i was trained years for. We're shooting from the hip on the insurgency thing.  I am very reluctant to comment on the ground situation in Iraq because I get what anybody else gets. The war changes from month to month but the media does not report the good we do. I'm sure some Iraqi's take it pretty hard and fight well but stories like this aree all to common. As for Jeff and his 73 easting comment..look man that might be the last great tank battle for the M1 so we all sorta hang on to it. I'm not a Striker sorta guy.

[muscleforlife]

I don't know. I have thought about this. Why didn't the damm South Vietnamese fight hard..same folks..same rice..better equipment. The insurgency is not exactly complicted. I guess it comes dowen to ideology. They believe their dying for god or some damm thing. These guys won't meet us head on. They pick their battles....stage BS attacks. Given time we will wear them down...Its working in places,  but we can't win this. We, as Americans', lack the will to win. The American people don't have the stomach for the fight. The media slants things..they don't report the good we are doing.....its not news. Its the same here. 6 months and a media blackout and it would all be over.

The thought that a techonologically advanced military can beat an IDEAL is ridiculous.

That is what it all comes down to.

Why would the "Iraqi Army" want to put up a fight when it has the occupiers doing the work for them, and doing a poor job of it.

Sandra

[Camel Jockey]

Hey Jockey shut the f**k up thanks....

 
I was just kidding dude. You're a cool dude and I hope you come back where you belong sound and safe.

[headhuntersix]

Yeah u too..Isn't ur brother going back soon?

[headhuntersix]

The thought that a techonologically advanced military can beat an IDEAL is ridiculous.

That is what it all comes down to.

Why would the "Iraqi Army" want to put up a fight when it has the occupiers doing the work for them, and doing a poor job of it.

Sandra

U can beat an ideal, given overwhelming force. We beat th Nazi's and the Empire of Japan.  But as for part to..thats exactly the thing..they don't need to fight. I read one article that refered to us as Hessians. I think its becoming appropropriate.

[GroinkTropin]

So the insurgents are a hardworking, cunning group, living on scraps and limited resupply line, yet they manage to stalemate our forces for 4 years?

Yet the Iraqi Army/police, with all our technology, power, motivation, etc for 2+ years - and they still can't tie their own shoes?

I don't get it it... why are they better than us when motivated (insurgents), but slackers when given all our tools?  If they're that lazy, cut their checks and bring in others willing to do the work.  Hell, I bet you could cart in 50,000 mexicans, train them for 10 weeks, and let them police baghdad more effectively

Youre an idiot, most insurgents arent iraqis they are iranians, totally different group of people. Have more money and training, backed by russia etc.

[240 is Back]

Youre an idiot, most insurgents arent iraqis they are iranians, totally different group of people. Have more money and training, backed by russia etc.

MOSt insurgents are Iranian?

Dude, I would LOVE to see you back up that silly ass statement with some numbers!!!

[beatmaster]

all i'm gonna say is, if they really want to help their country and everybody else, it would have been done long ago!

[240 is Back]

all i'm gonna say is, if they really want to help their country and everybody else, it would have been done long ago!

why does no one listen?

We conquered Ger, italy, and Japan in less time than we have taken to stalemate in Iraq.  This is not an accident.  it isn't because they're just so good with their AKs and IEDs and we're so lousy with our large guns, airpower and satellite intel.

We are losing because the military planners don't give them enough resources to win.

And why would they not give enough (even when they've had the blank check for 4 years?)

Because once we win, WE HAVE TO LEAVE.

And if we leave before the oil pipeline is built, we don't get to manage their oil.

This should be crystal clear to people.  It's a MAINTENANCE war.  WHy do you think the EXACT same thing is happening in Afghanistan?  Are they ALSO so much smarter and better than our forces?  Are you starting to see a pattern here?  We can't beat shitty nations.  Why?

Cause we have to put the oil pipeline in both countries for long term US vitality.  Accept it.  And please, STFU already with your treehugging rationale of "we wanted to Free them!"  cause the US gives a rats ass about iraqi civilians.  Our soldiers might - but those military planners could care less.

Afghan and Iraq (and possibly iran) will all be the same - stalemates til the pipeline is complete, then *suddenly* we'll achieve victory.  Pathetic that some of you still use fairy tale reasons that the US would spend hund of billions and thousands of our own forces' lives just to help someone out.  Doesn't happen.