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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #125 on: February 14, 2007, 04:37:41 PM »
Ray had the muscle on a smaller frame but looked better.  Levrone looked better.  If a back win contests then they should have bodypart awards. Get real.  Dorian<Shawn and Kev

In your OPINION Ray looked better and so did Levrone , the judges obviously disagreed and their opinion is the only ones thats matter  ;)

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #126 on: February 14, 2007, 04:43:36 PM »
ND, why do you call everyone idiots and say we're all ignorant just because we don't agree with you?  I don't understand why you seem to like aesthetic physiques such as Steve Reeves and Flex Wheeler yet you refuse to acknowledge Ray's greatness.  It seems hypocritical to defend Yate's physique over Shawn Ray's when you seem to be more of a fan of aesthetics.  It just seems strange to me, like it's personal.

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #127 on: February 14, 2007, 04:44:33 PM »
I remember when Dorian first came onto the scene.

The mags went on and on about his density and size "Carved from granite"....blah blah blah.

And I'm thinking "he looks like crap, what are they talking about?"

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #128 on: February 14, 2007, 04:46:25 PM »
I remember when Dorian first came onto the scene.

The mags went on and on about his density and size "Carved from granite"....blah blah blah.

And I'm thinking "he looks like crap, what are they talking about?"

Yates was bigger and harder than the rest at that point, Nasser overtook him and got scrwed.

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #129 on: February 14, 2007, 04:48:15 PM »
ND, why do you call everyone idiots and say we're all ignorant just because we don't agree with you?  I don't understand why you seem to like aesthetic physiques such as Steve Reeves and Flex Wheeler yet you refuse to acknowledge Ray's greatness.  It seems hypocritical to defend Yate's physique over Shawn Ray's when you seem to be more of a fan of aesthetics.  It just seems strange to me, like it's personal.

Its not a matter of being ignorant because you disagree with ME its because whomever disagrees with the established criteria , and my personal opinion has NOTHING to do with if Yates was good enough to beat whomever , Shawn had an excellent physique but in all reality he's not even top 20 all-time greatest

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #130 on: February 14, 2007, 04:49:37 PM »
Yates was bigger and harder than the rest at that point, Nasser overtook him and got scrwed.

Nasser got screwed in the back genetics department

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #131 on: February 14, 2007, 04:50:25 PM »
Yates was bigger and harder than the rest at that point, Nasser overtook him and got scrwed.

Oh I know dude, Guy was a fvcking tank.

But for me, if you don't have good lines I don't care how big you are

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #132 on: February 14, 2007, 04:51:30 PM »
ND, what do you feel Shawn Ray was lacking?

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #133 on: February 14, 2007, 04:52:22 PM »
Hahahaha are we still talking about how UKGold likes to be treated like a slut by his girlfriend by getting fingers// strap ons shoved up his butt?

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #134 on: February 14, 2007, 04:53:28 PM »
ND, what do you feel Shawn Ray was lacking?

Size , balance and width , he was lucky to place so high despite being so light an excellent bodybuilder but he was born in the wrong era

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #135 on: February 14, 2007, 04:54:16 PM »
Size , balance and width , he was lucky to place so high despite being so light an excellent bodybuilder but he was born in the wrong era
Balance?  Are you joking.  By far the most complete black BBer or any other for that matter.
Squishy face retard

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #136 on: February 14, 2007, 04:59:43 PM »
Balance?  Are you joking.  By far the most complete black BBer or any other for that matter.

It's not a matter of being complete its a matter of proportion and balance , Shawn has high small calves that are dominated by his short quads , he has a relatively long torso , no back width narrow clavicles , he has a host of structual problems

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #137 on: February 14, 2007, 05:24:20 PM »
Not even close.  He was very impressive from the front and his back was huge, just couldn't pose it.

So Dillet had a world class back,he just couldn't pose it?

Even if it is true about Dillet having a great back (it isn't) not being able to 'pose it' is pretty fucking shit for a guy whose sole existence centers upon building muscle and learning how to pose it.

 If he couldn't get good enough at his job then tough titty on him.
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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #138 on: February 14, 2007, 05:24:59 PM »
I remember when Dorian first came onto the scene.

The mags went on and on about his density and size "Carved from granite"....blah blah blah.

And I'm thinking "he looks like crap, what are they talking about?"

LOL

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #139 on: February 14, 2007, 05:29:54 PM »
So Dillet had a world class back,he just couldn't pose it?

Even if it is true about Dillet having a great back (it isn't) not being able to 'pose it' is pretty fucking shit for a guy whose sole existence centers upon building muscle and learning how to pose it.

 If he couldn't get good enough at his job then tough titty on him.

Great points , one could have the best physique it means nothing if you can't properly present it , and stories of Paul , freezing up onstage , constantly bent over not able to hit the most basic poses , more to winning a bodybuilding contest than just building a great physique

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #140 on: February 14, 2007, 05:42:06 PM »
So Dillet had a world class back,he just couldn't pose it?

Even if it is true about Dillet having a great back (it isn't) not being able to 'pose it' is pretty fucking shit for a guy whose sole existence centers upon building muscle and learning how to pose it.

 If he couldn't get good enough at his job then tough titty on him.


Outstanding post!!

These guys are professional BBers, This is what they do

 It amazes to watch them labor through a basic routine, stumbling and shit

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #141 on: February 14, 2007, 05:58:20 PM »
Paul was trying to hit a rear lat spread at the 93O and only spread out 1 side of his lats ???

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #142 on: February 14, 2007, 06:21:05 PM »
Nailed it. Overall, Dillet crushed Yates. Dillet's back is just an excuse, wasn't nearly as bad as the ownage visited on Yates by several tops guys in about 35 shots.

Dillet was HUGE. Yes. Was he as conditioned? No. Did he pose as well as Yates (or anybody?)? NO.
Contests are not judged solely on how big someone is, or just one thing. It's ALL the things combined (when the contest is properly judged that is).
Dillet couldn't pose worth shit,he would shake if he could hold the pose for more than a second,  he was known to take too many diuretics which would flatten him out if not just make him become a living corpse getting carried offstage, and he had no back and certainly what he had he could NOT pose it for shit. How was his presentation? There was a competitor that I saw that had zero back onstage once. In the mandatories, he stood out like a sore thumb for not having any back. But in his solo posing, he looked good. Why? Because he didn't hit a single back pose, which hid this major flaw.
Presentation, muscularity, symmetry, conditioning....many things just from "being huge" are factored into whether someone wins a contest or not.

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #143 on: February 14, 2007, 07:34:06 PM »
I think Chick's agreeing that some of these decisions throw the judging into question, except to followers like ND who claim that every contest result was fair. ::)

Hey Pumpster. All of the contests are fair. Remember, yates got all firsts. LOL

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #144 on: February 14, 2007, 07:36:03 PM »
Dorian did not to deserve to win any Olympias:

Thanks for agreeing with us moron. Don't try to change this post either. We all know what you said.

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #145 on: February 14, 2007, 07:37:43 PM »
at the 1996 NY state championships....Dorian guest posed.....and Chick was the Emcee.


Bob kissed up to Dorian....so I dont think Chic had a problem with Dorian back then.


I have that on Video tape some where!!!

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #146 on: February 14, 2007, 07:38:36 PM »
Thanks for agreeing with us moron. Don't try to change this post either. We all know what you said.

hahahaha...are you that fucking dumb? It's called sarcasm ::)

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #147 on: February 14, 2007, 07:39:22 PM »
ND, why do you call everyone idiots and say we're all ignorant just because we don't agree with you?  I don't understand why you seem to like aesthetic physiques such as Steve Reeves and Flex Wheeler yet you refuse to acknowledge Ray's greatness.  It seems hypocritical to defend Yate's physique over Shawn Ray's when you seem to be more of a fan of aesthetics.  It just seems strange to me, like it's personal.

ND can say all he wants. Just look at all of his posts. Every single one of them is personal. If he disagrees with this post, then that's his problem.

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #148 on: February 14, 2007, 07:42:19 PM »
hahahaha...are you that fucking dumb? It's called sarcasm ::)

I think you're the dumb one. I knew you were being sarcastic, that's why I replied with an answer. Can't you see that my post was a little sarcastic also? lol.

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Re: Does Chick hate Dorian Yates?
« Reply #149 on: February 14, 2007, 07:48:39 PM »
at the 1996 NY state championships....Dorian guest posed.....and Chick was the Emcee.


Bob kissed up to Dorian....so I dont think Chic had a problem with Dorian back then.









Didn't have a problem with Dorian then...don't have a problem with him now.

The mere fact that some people would perceive "having a problem", or "hating" Dorian on my part is ludicrous at best.

Does Jim Lampley have a problem with a boxer when he's calling a fight and has the other guy winning? Does Al Michaels have a problem or hate a player when they're running the pregame?

Sports casters sit around the table and debate who's better, who should have won, who's favored and why...all day long.

Lost in the whole deal, is the fact that I also said I believe others should have lost Olympia's as well...Arnold to Sergio, Zane to Robinson, Franco to Padilla, Haney to Labrada, Dorian to Nasser or Ray, Ronnie to Cutler '01....

Guess I hate everybody...! ::)

I have that on Video tape some where!!!