Dorian's leg exercise of choice - THE LEGPRESS!

[Bluto]

most pros do a lot of presses, it's an awesome movement, Cutler and Coleman do a lot of them.

but how many of them have it as their #1 exercise of choice for the legs

the bread and butter

the meat and potatoes !!!

(some of these expressions are copyright lee haney, all rights reserved)

[The Squadfather]

but how many of them have it as their #1 exercise of choice for the legs

the bread and butter

the meat and potatoes !!!

(some of these expressions are copyright lee haney, all rights reserved)

Cutler often does them as his first heavy movement, then hacks, then Smith front squats, like i said, most pros do a variety of pressing movemnts for quads.

[Bluto]

Cutler often does them as his first heavy movement, then hacks, then Smith front squats, like i said, most pros do a variety of pressing movemnts for quads.

good!

[The Squadfather]

good!

i met Claude Groulx a few years ago and he told me that he does a lot of leg presses, he said that he relied on them and hacks for his leg size and he had awesome legs.

[Bluto]

i met Claude Groulx a few years ago and he told me that he does a lot of leg presses, he said that he relied on them and hacks for his leg size and he had awesome legs.

cool. i just thought it would be good to talk a little about legpresses and give them some credit for a chance
it's always squat this bla bla

[Jake_W]

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[Mr. Michael Moore]

Very good thread!!

In my mind, leg press can be the cornerstone of your leg training, along with other pressing movements that change the angle of stress. So you can build your leg training keeping free squats as the mainstay in one week, and the leg press as the mainstay the other week, adding other pressing movements alongside in each training session. That's what I do.
And for the non believers, leg presses done the way Dorian does in BLOOD AND GUTS (pic above) is VERY, VERY, VERY HARD, equivalent to a free squat stress, I mean, look at the position of his fucking hips in the photo, completely retracted , how many pros do their leg pressing that way???

So i do something like this:
1 week: extensions (warm up) free squats, leg presses, hack squats, extensions heavy
2 week: extensions (warm up) leg presses, smith machine front squats (probably the single most difficult and the best leg frier ever created) hack squats (or cybex horizontal leg slide machine) , extensions heavy

That's it!!

[CARTEL]

Platz did regular ol' ass to ankles squats so I am too.

If leg press was so good, all those Johnny Underarmours would be huge. That's all they ever do.

What's next, Incline Flies as the cornerstone of a chest workout?

[Mr. Michael Moore]

Platz did regular ol' ass to ankles squats so I am too.

If leg press was so good, all those Johnny Underarmours would be huge. That's all they ever do.

What's next, Incline Flies as the cornerstone of a chest workout?

What a narrow mind fucktard.....

Read the posts.....squats ass to ankles are awesome, just not to EVERY person, depends on the structure.....long torso, short legs = terrible leverage. Platz had very short limbs, reason why his ass to ankles were beautiful to see, he was totally upright at the bottom position, same with Lee Priest.....Dorian has a long torso with long legs...almost fucked himself for good regarding his bb carrer, with that hip injury......

Now if you tell me that smith squats are a lot easier than the free version, you're not doing it the right way (squadfather is right) ....smith squats are fucking hard....a lil' bit easier than the free version, but fucking tuff nevertheless

The leg press CAN be a safer and as effective alternative to squats IF done properly, i.e., the way Dorian is showing in the pic above, which is NOT the way your average Johnny Underarmour use to do at the usual gyms across America, everyday.....

HOPE THIS HELPS, SEARGENT......

[CARTEL]

Excuses.

Well I have long limbs and they work just fine. If you want to take the easy way out, so be it. Those friggin' exercise ball squats look hard as hell to do, that doesn't make them better than a regular squat. I'm sure you can do legpresses and grow if your juiced up the ass like Yates.

Great way to think outside the box, PRIVATE. Long live the legpress, King of the Lifts!



 

[willie mosconi]

I prefer leg presses, but can see how squats may be the best exercise for some. Fortunately at Gold's there are numerous leg presses of various angles, so you never get bored of presses.

I have never learned the proper position or balance for free squats- it just never has felt right- it hits my ass and hams too much. Smith squats suck for me as well- it seems to cause too much knee stress.

[Lurker79]

Smith machine squats rule. As long as you do them with 9 spotters, AKA Kamali style.

[Mr. Michael Moore]

Excuses.

Well I have long limbs and they work just fine. If you want to take the easy way out, so be it. Those friggin' exercise ball squats look hard as hell to do, that doesn't make them better than a regular squat. I'm sure you can do legpresses and grow if your juiced up the ass like Yates.

Great way to think outside the box, PRIVATE. Long live the legpress, King of the Lifts!



 

Another frreaking comprehension/retention challenged retarded!!

Please, point to me where I have said one is superior over another....I 've only said that squats are the best for some, and legpresses are the best for others. If you are longlimbed and can free squat no problem, hey, more power to you!! But keep in mind that you are the exception, not the rule. Take a look at Arnold's squatting pictures. He's a longlimbed guy. Look at how far he stick his butt in order to balance the barbell across his trunk, because of his structure. In some pics it almost looks like a good morning!!! No shit he relied heavily on front squats for overall balance of the vastus muscles, for isolation of the tighs......
I free squat myself and absolutely LOVE the exercise. I reap great benefits and desired results with it, and I'm able to concentrate the load of the bar only where I want it, in my tighs, not the butt, neither my lower back.
But that doesn't mean I tag legpresses as an inferior exercise. In my opinion BOTH OF THEM are essential for complete tighs, and I challenge anyone to show me a decent, big, well developed pair of tighs in history built without BOTH of them, at least in a given point in the athlete's carrer.

If you use free squats because you get great results form them, excelent, you're doing it for the right reason. But if you're only doing it in order to adhere to the 'dogma', hey, you'll be one limited SOB of an athlete in the leg department.... 

[Petrucci]

some pros that i saw in videos that usually put Leg Presses at major pressing moviment for legs:

 Lee Priest
 Kevin Levrone (he stoped squats completely years ago)
 

other ones i think that do this are Chick and Chris Cormier

But the thing is, all this guys HAVE great legs ...(they are pros...)i would like to know for someone who still has to develop good legs, if squats or leg presses would be better. Probably the use of both i think
Chick is a guy known to like machines and things like that but i would like to know if in his first 2, 3 years of trainning if he did more free weights , squats, etc, . I would bet that he did

[Mr. Michael Moore]

Yeah, Chick have stated a lot of times that he used to squat and deadlift heavy, BEFORE he did his lower back hernia operation.

I guess the answer to your question, about which exercise someone who has yet to develop decent legs has to incorporate lies in his body structure, comfort when performing the exercise (not to be misinterpreted as 'easy' to do, but more along the lines of 'the flow' of the biomechanics in relation to that person's limbs and overall structure), and the feeling of the movement of choice in the intended muscle, i.e. quads, or in other words, if the squat or the leg press you're performing are hitting the desired muscles, with your own biomechanics being 'respected' by said exercise and not getting hurt.

[pumpster]

In my opinion BOTH OF THEM are essential for complete tighs, and I challenge anyone to show me a decent, big, well developed pair of tighs in history built without BOTH of them, at least in a given point in the athlete's carrer.

If you use free squats because you get great results form them, excelent, you're doing it for the right reason. But if you're only doing it in order to adhere to the 'dogma', hey, you'll be one limited SOB of an athlete in the leg department.... 

Actually Platz never did leg presses. And it's probably a cop-out to say squats of some type can't be done-hacks, front squats, machine squats, etc. Squats hit the overall lower body more than leg presses that are more specific to the quads, and are a much better overall conditioner.

On the other hand, leg press is a nice complement to squats; doing both makes sense. If leaving anything out it would leg extensions.

TOM PLATZ:LEG ROUTINE
EXCERSISE SETS REPS
SQUAT 8-12 5-20
HACK SQAUTS 5 10-15
LEG EXTENSIONS 5-8 10-15
LYING LEG CURLS 6-10 10-15
STANDING CALF RAISES 3-4 10-15
SEATED CALF RAISES 3-4 10-15
HACK MACHINE CALF RAISES 3-4 10-15

[IceCold]

pumpster, since you refuse to go to a gym and instead waste time on a bowflex, what do you do for quads?

squats with a powerod?


 

[Mr. Michael Moore]

Actually Platz never did leg presses. And it's probably a cop-out to say squats of some type can't be done-hacks, front squats, machine squats, etc. Squats hit the overall lower body more than leg presses that are more specific to the quads, and are a much better overall conditioner.

On the other hand, leg press is a nice complement to squats; doing both makes sense. If leaving anything out it would leg extensions.

TOM PLATZ:LEG ROUTINE
EXCERSISE SETS REPS
SQUAT 8-12 5-20
HACK SQAUTS 5 10-15
LEG EXTENSIONS 5-8 10-15
LYING LEG CURLS 6-10 10-15
STANDING CALF RAISES 3-4 10-15
SEATED CALF RAISES 3-4 10-15
HACK MACHINE CALF RAISES 3-4 10-15

Well, man, if you restrict your knowledge only to magazines excerpts, you'll be doomed to the bodybuilding ignorance oblivion.
Just because you 'fished' one of the INUMERUOUS Platz's routines that happens to not involve legpresses doesn't equate to say that he NEVER employed the exercise in his repertoir. For instance, Platz used front squats and a special form of hack squats with heels off the platform and feet well retracted, in line with the carriage, just to bring the teardrops. Could you point out to me where are them in the leg routine of his that you posted? Does it mean he didn't performed them at all???

You're a real Einstein .....

[the shadow]

pumpster, since you refuse to go to a gym and instead waste time on a bowflex, what do you do for quads?

squats with a powerod?


 

hahahahaahha pumpy pumps up his squads on the bowflex..hahahahah

[pumpster]

Well, man, if you restrict your knowledge only to magazines excerpts, you'll be doomed to the bodybuilding ignorance oblivion.
Just because you 'fished' one of the INUMERUOUS Platz's routines that happens to not involve legpresses doesn't equate to say that he NEVER employed the exercise in his repertoir. For instance, Platz used front squats and a special form of hack squats with heels off the platform and feet well retracted, in line with the carriage, just to bring the teardrops. Could you point out to me where are them in the leg routine of his that you posted? Does it mean he didn't performed them at all???

You're a real Einstein .....

Monster backpeddle.. Plaztz didn't do leg press.


Thanks for setting us straight "mike" LOL

[IceCold]

Monster backpeddle..
Thanks for setting us straight "mike" LOL

why did you ignore my question?

[Mr. Michael Moore]

Monster backpeddle.. Plaztz didn't do leg press.


Thanks for setting us straight "mike" LOL

I would like to anyone who owns an Arnold's encyclopedia of bodybuilding to open up the book at the legs session and puleeze, scan the pic whre Tom Platz is legpressing.... Thanks in advance

[Mr. Michael Moore]

Tom Prince used a LOT of legpressing , and his quads were amongst the all time best in an issue of FLEX , in 2005. And he almost died for you bithces in the process...

[NarcissisticDeity]

I would like to anyone who owns an Arnold's encyclopedia of bodybuilding to open up the book at the legs session and puleeze, scan the pic whre Tom Platz is legpressing.... Thanks in advance

Here you GO and


pumpster is OWNED 

[kyomu]

 He did very heavy barbell squats for the first six years of his bodybuilding career, but he eventually realized that it put too much stress on his knees and that he wasted so much energy on neuromuscular coordination, for this exercise, that his quadriceps weren't properly exhausted by the end. He realized that past a certain level of development, pre-exhaustion of the quadriceps followed by very heavy leg presses to failure stimulated overral more fibers than squats.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

The reason what i heard was that he choose leg press due to the injury of glutes during squat.