I'm not hating on Mike...I hear he's a good guy - but...Unbelievable!...I know this topic has been killed on here...And there is no definitive answer to this,but...One always has to ask one's self...How much of what we see at the semi-pro to pro level is all drugs? There are 20 guys at my gym, myself included, that look better than this guy naturally. I'm convinced that there is a Mr. Olympia contender waiting to happen in at least 1 out of every 10 gyms in the country.