Author Topic: Fat peoples lack of willpower is sickening (Read 392635 times)

Vince B · « **Reply #1925 on:** May 10, 2007, 01:10:48 AM »

The knuckleheads and bigots on Getbig think they are superior to fat people. It really is lamentable that the flotsam are so uninformed.

Here is an article detailing studies that should put an end to this silly thread because it is clear, from scientific studies, that obesity is inherited and those who become obese really do have a lot of trouble reversing that condition. Those who do lose fat end up feeling starved. This is a fact and now should be accepted by even the dullards on Getbig. It really is not the fault of the obese that they become and remain fat. It has almost nothing to do with willpower and laziness.

Read and learn ye who would be informed.

Genes take charge, and diets fall by the wayside.By Gina Kolata Published: May 8, 2007

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/08/healthscience/snfat.php

Bluto · « **Reply #1926 on:** May 10, 2007, 01:22:11 AM »

Quote from: MikeThaMachine on May 07, 2007, 05:57:55 AM

Yeah you may not "hate" them but don't sit there and act like you like them cause I could find dozens of posts by you bashing america. Don't be jealous cause the U.S. is so much better then your country.

so what americans bash america all the time you brainwashed 20 year old patriot geek. how much time you served for you country? let me hear your warstories

and yes, being 20 yeas old im sure you paid a shitload of taxes and contributed to the wellbeing of the usa too right

Bluto · « **Reply #1927 on:** May 10, 2007, 01:24:33 AM »

people who hate fat people are the same as racists etc no wonder we find the proven racist donkeykong in the forefront of this thread. guy is so full of hate that its not even funny.

guy gets no love in life and this is how he reacts. this is a given

Vince B · « **Reply #1928 on:** May 10, 2007, 02:24:55 AM »

Asses and goats seem to get along just fine here.

MikeThaMachine · « **Reply #1929 on:** May 10, 2007, 03:03:41 AM »

Quote from: Bluto on May 10, 2007, 01:22:11 AM

so what americans bash america all the time you brainwashed 20 year old patriot geek. how much time you served for you country? let me hear your warstories

and yes, being 20 yeas old im sure you paid a shitload of taxes and contributed to the wellbeing of the usa too right

I love it how whenever I show support for my country people assume I must be brainwashed and stupid. I didn't know it was wrong to support your own country, I guess I should rebel against it and complain about all the little things I don't like rather then show my love for the overall picture. It's because of people like you that governments are unstable and unable to become great world powers. Too many people protest and fight against things they know nothing about therefore at times they are fighting for or supporting something they actually don't agree with. If people actually did the research in an unbiased manner without the media being their main source they would all think differently. BTW if my country ever called on me I would be proud to go and fight for it.

MikeThaMachine · « **Reply #1930 on:** May 10, 2007, 03:07:49 AM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on May 10, 2007, 01:10:48 AM

The knuckleheads and bigots on Getbig think they are superior to fat people. It really is lamentable that the flotsam are so uninformed.

Here is an article detailing studies that should put an end to this silly thread because it is clear, from scientific studies, that obesity is inherited and those who become obese really do have a lot of trouble reversing that condition. Those who do lose fat end up feeling starved. This is a fact and now should be accepted by even the dullards on Getbig. It really is not the fault of the obese that they become and remain fat. It has almost nothing to do with willpower and laziness.

Read and learn ye who would be informed.

Genes take charge, and diets fall by the wayside.By Gina Kolata Published: May 8, 2007

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/08/healthscience/snfat.php

Ok that explains fatness for less then 1% of them all even though if they had enough willpower they could still not be fat if they chose. So why are you and hundreds of millions of others fat again??? YOU ALL HAVE A SICKENING LACK OF WILLPOWER!!! What's next, it's not a life long 2 pack a day smokers fault they have lung cancer, it's cause of air pollution

phreak · « **Reply #1931 on:** May 10, 2007, 04:17:47 AM »

Of course I know you are going to ignore the content of my reply yet again, but here goes anyway:

Quote from: Vince Basile on May 10, 2007, 01:10:48 AM

obesity is inherited and those who become obese really do
have a lot of trouble reversing that condition. Those who do lose fat end up feeling starved.

Take-home message: if you start getting pudgy... STOP EATING SO MUCH AND MOVE YOUR LAZY CARCASS. Why is this simple-yet-effective strategy so rarely employed, you ask? Lack of will power.

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This is a fact and now should be accepted by even the dullards on Getbig. It really is not the fault of the obese that they become and remain fat. It has almost nothing to do with willpower and laziness.

Yes-or-no question: is it impossible for someone who is obese to lose weight? No beating around the bush, just a simple yes or no. If yes, then their bodies defy the law of thermodynamics. Energy out of thin air! Cold fusion is a reality in fat people!

And another thing: Let us assume fat people inherit their condition from their parents. This would mean that their parents were fat, their parents' parents were fat, ... ad infinitum. If this were the case, the number of obese people should be a constant throughout the ages. However, this is absolutely not the case, as the number of obese people is skyrocketing in the last few decades. Ergo: the original claim is wrong. QED.

Bluto · « **Reply #1932 on:** May 10, 2007, 04:30:16 AM »

who says eatin good and packing on size is any worse than bodybuilding and packing on size? who decides that? you?

phreak · « **Reply #1933 on:** May 10, 2007, 04:33:07 AM »

Quote from: MikeThaMachine on May 10, 2007, 03:07:49 AM

What's next, it's not a life long 2 pack a day smokers fault they have lung cancer, it's cause of air pollution

They can't help it, man. It is in their genes to smoke. Their caveman ancestors started inhaling the fumes from the cooking fire, and now their distant offspring smoke even when they don't want to. It's genetic!

Vince B · « **Reply #1934 on:** May 10, 2007, 05:16:05 AM »

Fat people have lost heaps of weight but the process leaves them physically starving so they tend to regain the weight they lost. It is as if their bodies need to be fat. Why that is so is probably not known.

Bodybuilders and personal trainers are way too judgemental when it comes to obesity. They really do not understand the issue and therefore do not look for explanations outside their simplistic experiences and beliefs.

Inheriting the genes for obesity does not mean parents were obese. That much is known about genetics. All you have to do is inherit those genes and live a lifestyle that makes the expression of those genes possible.

Some highly motivated people can lose weight and keep it off. Others have weight loss surgery and still regain the weight later. The vast majority diet and diet and end up larger for their efforts.

MikeThaMachine · « **Reply #1935 on:** May 10, 2007, 05:18:26 AM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on May 10, 2007, 05:16:05 AM

Fat people have lost heaps of weight but the process leaves them physically starving so they tend to regain the weight they lost. It is as if their bodies need to be fat. Why that is so is probably not known.

Bodybuilders and personal trainers are way too judgemental when it comes to obesity. They really do not understand the issue and therefore do not look for explanations outside their simplistic experiences and beliefs.

Inheriting the genes for obesity does not mean parents were obese. That much is known about genetics. All you have to do is inherit those genes and live a lifestyle that makes the expression of those genes possible.

Some highly motivated people can lose weight and keep it off. Others have weight loss surgery and still regain the weight later. The vast majority diet and diet and end up larger for their efforts.

EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES that's all I am reading in this post.

Monster_Everything · « **Reply #1936 on:** May 10, 2007, 05:20:36 AM »

Quote from: MikeThaMachine on May 10, 2007, 05:18:26 AM

EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES that's all I am reading in this post.

For real, if this was the wild all the none fat animals would kill the fat ones cause the fatties just eat and are too slow to catch prey.......

MikeThaMachine · « **Reply #1937 on:** May 10, 2007, 05:20:37 AM »

Even this fat kid thinks Vince is delusinal...

phreak · « **Reply #1938 on:** May 10, 2007, 05:43:09 AM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on May 10, 2007, 05:16:05 AM

Fat people have lost heaps of weight but the process leaves them physically starving so they tend to regain the weight they lost. It is as if their bodies need to be fat. Why that is so is probably not known.

It is called hunger. Being human means being endowed (one would hope) with willpower. Said willpower can be used to overcome natural instincts. In fact I'm doing it now. I'm hungry as hell, and I have cash on me. The candy machine is only 30' from my desk. Yet I do not get up and buy a candy bar. Why not? Willpower.

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Inheriting the genes for obesity does not mean parents were obese. That much is known about genetics. All you have to do is inherit those genes and live a lifestyle that makes the expression of those genes possible.

Epic digging your own grave in a discussion. You are saying fat people are predisposed to becoming fat, yet the expression of their genetic trait is heavily influenced by lifestyle? If so: who has ultimate control over one's lifestyle (assuming maturity)? Fat people possess control of their habits, yet do not exercise that control. Lack of willpower.

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Some highly motivated people can lose weight and keep it off. Others have weight loss surgery and still regain the weight later. The vast majority diet and diet and end up larger for their efforts.

People who have willpower lose the weight. People who don't, don't. Opting for surgery as a diet strategy does not smack of having boatloads of willpower.

Vince B · « **Reply #1939 on:** May 10, 2007, 05:49:34 AM »

One cannot extrapolate from anecdotal personal experience to populations as a whole and be accurate. That is unlikely in the extreme. Many fat people have lots of willpower. Read that research and see that nonsense criticized. Your hunger for a candy bar isn't what starving people feel.

By lifestyle I am including living in American in 2007, driving cars, going to shopping centers, etc., etc.

Very few fat people who lose weight keep that weight off. The figure is something like 95%.

Are you going to concede, then, that bodybuilders who don't get really big lack willpower? That is nonsense. Few bodybuilders get big so what is the explanation?

MikeThaMachine · « **Reply #1940 on:** May 10, 2007, 05:55:32 AM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on May 10, 2007, 05:49:34 AM

One cannot extrapolate from anecdotal personal experience to populations as a whole and be accurate. That is unlikely in the extreme. Many fat people have lots of willpower. Read that research and see that nonsense criticized. Your hunger for a candy bar isn't what starving people feel.

By lifestyle I am including living in American in 2007, driving cars, going to shopping centers, etc., etc.

Very few fat people who lose weight keep that weight off. The figure is something like 95%.

Are you going to concede, then, that bodybuilders who don't get really big lack willpower? That is nonsense. Few bodybuilders get big so what is the explanation?

See your the proof that fat people are better at making excuses then getting things done...

Debussey · « **Reply #1941 on:** May 10, 2007, 06:34:34 AM »

Fat people lacks a true strong character.

A strong character will always win, no matter what teh odds.

Fat people = polluting society by being their rotten negative self.

We need ZE CAMPZ

phreak · « **Reply #1942 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:14:40 AM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on May 10, 2007, 05:49:34 AM

One cannot extrapolate from anecdotal personal experience to populations as a whole and be accurate.

Since you are into trying to impress the masses with big words, I would have expected you to recognise this as an allegory.

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Many fat people have lots of willpower. Read that research and see that nonsense criticized. Your hunger for a candy bar isn't what starving people feel.

I don't care what they feel. Peckish or starving: it does not make a blind bit of difference. Do you agree or not that any urge can be suppressed by willpower in all but mentally handicapped people?

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By lifestyle I am including living in American in 2007, driving cars, going to shopping centers, etc., etc.

Who forces people to do all those things? People expend less calories than they consume. Who is forcing them to be inactive? Sure, it is easier to do nothing. That is where willpower comes in.

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Very few fat people who lose weight keep that weight off. The figure is something like 95%.

I can imagine, because it takes constant, life-long attention to diet and exercise to keep it off. That's hard and requires... willpower.

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Are you going to concede, then, that bodybuilders who don't get really big lack willpower? That is nonsense. Few bodybuilders get big so what is the explanation?

False analogy, because whereas BBers intentionally try to deviate from the standard, the obese claim to want to be the standard. The standard being having normal bodyfat and ffm.

Vince B · « **Reply #1943 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:29:57 AM »

I am discussing an issue and use words appropriate to the debate. That some might not comprehend what I am saying is obvious.

There is a clear misunderstanding on the part of bodybuilders re fat people. It is easy for bodybuilders to control their weight so they wonder why on earth fat people would have any trouble. The truth is most guys have to force feed themselves to put on size. Fat people have to starve themselves to lose weight. When they succeed they feel hungry all the time and eventually put back what they lost. It hardly is willpower but many will use that to explain what is happening.

Did you read the research I linked? If you did you wouldn't be arguing like you are. I am talking to phreak.

CQ · « **Reply #1944 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:40:11 AM »

Some people have seen my pics, for those who don't know I used to be a fat pig myself, lost close to 100lbs. There were some genetics at play yes, but basically I was fat as I was lazy as hell and sat around stuffing my face with food. Pretty simple. Majority of the time being overweight simply means you lack willpower, you're lazy, you overeat or a combination of those....

Vince, pull yourself together and stop trying to defend the undefendable.

Debussey · « **Reply #1945 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:42:28 AM »

Quote from: CQ on May 10, 2007, 07:40:11 AM

Some people have seen my pics, for those who don't know I used to be a fat pig myself, lost close to 100lbs. There were some genetics at play yes, but basically I was fat as I was lazy as hell and sat around stuffing my face with food. Pretty simple. Majority of the time being overweight simply means you lack willpower, you're lazy, you overeat or a combination of those....

Vince, pull yourself together and stop trying to defend the undefendable.

According to Vince, you will put it all back on.

DK II · « **Reply #1946 on:** May 10, 2007, 10:20:40 AM »

Whow, Bluto and Vince form "the Army of Delusion".

Big N · « **Reply #1947 on:** May 10, 2007, 10:36:29 AM »

Quote from: Xerxes on May 10, 2007, 10:23:58 AM

He is basically saying "whats the point in trying if you gain it again", well you fat #### stick to normal caloric intake and dont go back to overeating you lardinfested piece of shit.

Did you read about the Aryan's i wrote inregards to your reply bro? Farsi baladi

Big N · « **Reply #1948 on:** May 10, 2007, 10:56:20 AM »

Quote from: Xerxes on May 10, 2007, 10:54:12 AM

No I did not. Are baladam.

Nice bro. Manam farsi kam baladam, vali mitonam harf bezanam.

phreak · « **Reply #1949 on:** May 10, 2007, 11:57:40 AM »

Quote from: Vince Basile on May 10, 2007, 07:29:57 AM

I am discussing an issue and use words appropriate to the debate. That some might not comprehend what I am saying is obvious.

What is more blatantly obvious is that you still do not realise using 'big' words does not make you sound more convincing. If you cannot express yourself clearly without using verbiage out of normal day-to-day use, you cannot express yourself properly at all.

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There is a clear misunderstanding on the part of bodybuilders re fat people. It is easy for bodybuilders to control their weight so they wonder why on earth fat people would have any trouble. The truth is most guys have to force feed themselves to put on size. Fat people have to starve themselves to lose weight. When they succeed they feel hungry all the time and eventually put back what they lost.

Exactly: BBers forcefeed themselves for months or even years to gain maybe an ounce of ffm. THAT is willpower. Using that willpower an obese person could lose a lot of weight and keep it off.

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Did you read the research I linked? If you did you wouldn't be arguing like you are. I am talking to phreak.[/color]

I am not into reading material by authors preaching to the choir, but for fun's sake I'll do so tomorrow. Makes an interesting break from reading real research.