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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #75 on: February 26, 2007, 11:50:34 AM »
Uh huh, you really compare all of this to a young woman unwillingly having part of her clitoris chopped off?

You have the audacity to cite this when your religion takes a new born baby boy,
gets it liquored up and whacks it's peepee. ...and this is celebrated?  ::)
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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #76 on: February 26, 2007, 12:00:07 PM »
You have the audacity to cite this when your religion takes a new born baby boy,
gets it liquored up and whacks it's peepee. ...and this is celebrated?  ::)

You don't know what you're talking about, do you?
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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #77 on: February 26, 2007, 12:11:03 PM »
Hey man... I'm just calling it like I see it... I think all religions are a sham, but if you want to take all that's good... you gotta take what comes out that's bad... A lot of Islam's don't see the hate in their religion, but apparently you do.

Nazi's thought they were honky dory too.
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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #78 on: February 26, 2007, 12:48:22 PM »
You have the audacity to cite this when your religion takes a new born baby boy,
gets it liquored up and whacks it's peepee. ...and this is celebrated?  ::)

Are you comparing clitoral mutilation to circumcision? 

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #79 on: February 26, 2007, 01:48:36 PM »
Nazi's thought they were honky dory too.

Yep, and pretty much every other religion...

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #80 on: February 27, 2007, 02:39:51 PM »
Yes you're right, and women in general have more to fear in their daily lives than men do.

Men fear for their families who spend all day separated from them and out of their care.

Single men have more to fear than single women, however...I can agree with that.

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #81 on: February 27, 2007, 05:22:34 PM »
Are you comparing clitoral mutilation to circumcision? 

Many consider circumcision to be penile mutilation.
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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #82 on: February 27, 2007, 05:24:43 PM »
Many consider circumcision to be penile mutilation.

Circumcision has no practical function.

It is some stupid heritage from the past.
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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #83 on: February 27, 2007, 05:31:51 PM »
Circumcision has no practical function.

It is some stupid heritage from the past.

Circumcision among gentiles was popularized in the Victorian era by doctors who believed it would help prevent what they considered to be the grave problem of masturbation.

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #84 on: February 27, 2007, 06:06:13 PM »
Circumcision among gentiles was popularized in the Victorian era by doctors who believed it would help prevent what they considered to be the grave problem of masturbation.

Part of the reason some muslims countries do it to women,
...to prevent the grave problems associated with woman actually having sexual pleasure.
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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #85 on: February 27, 2007, 06:29:02 PM »
Many consider circumcision to be penile mutilation.

Absurd.  It's the removal skin.  I see no comparison whatsoever to clitoral mutilation. 

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #86 on: February 27, 2007, 06:34:40 PM »
Absurd.  It's the removal skin.  I see no comparison whatsoever to clitoral mutilation. 

Are you supporting the circumsition of young boys? ::)
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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #87 on: February 27, 2007, 06:47:06 PM »
Absurd.  It's the removal skin.  I see no comparison whatsoever to clitoral mutilation. 

All depends on your culture then doesn't it?

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #88 on: February 27, 2007, 06:53:01 PM »
Are you supporting the circumsition of young boys? ::)

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #89 on: February 27, 2007, 06:55:12 PM »
All depends on your culture then doesn't it?

No.  A procedure is either mutilation or it isn't.  Removing skin from a little penis isn't mutilation.  Removing a female's clitoris is. 

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #90 on: February 27, 2007, 06:59:08 PM »
No.  A procedure is either mutilation or it isn't.  Removing skin from a little penis isn't mutilation.  Removing a female's clitoris is. 

It's not a little skin... It's a protective covering... removing something that protects the penis might be considered mutilation don't ya' think?

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #91 on: February 27, 2007, 07:02:01 PM »
It's not a little skin... It's a protective covering... removing something that protects the penis might be considered mutilation don't ya' think?

Protection from what?  Mutilation is the removal an essential body part.  The removal of excess skin from a little penis doesn't qualify IMO and it certainly doesn't compare to clitoral mutilation at all. 

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #92 on: February 27, 2007, 07:05:22 PM »
Protection from what?  Mutilation is the removal an essential body part.  The removal of excess skin from a little penis doesn't qualify IMO and it certainly doesn't compare to clitoral mutilation at all. 

Maybe because you're circumcised? Go ask a non circumcised guy if he thinks it'll be ok to cut it off... see what he thinks about the mutilation then.

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #93 on: February 27, 2007, 07:07:52 PM »
Maybe because you're circumcised? Go ask a non circumcised guy if he thinks it'll be ok to cut it off... see what he thinks about the mutilation then.

We're talking about newborns.  I think I'll pass on asking guys whether they are circumcised or not.  But you're welcome to do a poll and report the results.   :D


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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #94 on: February 27, 2007, 07:10:22 PM »
We're talking about newborns.  I think I'll pass on asking guys whether they are circumcised or not.  But you're welcome to do a poll and report the results.   :D



I didn't know there was an age limit on what someone considered "mutilation".

Jews don't get circumcised until their much older.

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #95 on: February 27, 2007, 07:18:09 PM »
Thank god I was mutilated.

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #96 on: February 27, 2007, 07:23:42 PM »
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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #97 on: February 27, 2007, 07:33:15 PM »
No.  A procedure is either mutilation or it isn't.  Removing skin from a little penis isn't mutilation.  Removing a female's clitoris is. 

Tell that to Bast.

Beach bum, circumcision removes more than just a little skin, ...it takes some precious nerve endings with it.
Not to mention the trauma it causes. Most circumcized guys don't miss it because they have no frame of reference, ...much like circumsized girls. If it was simply superfluous skin, God wouldn't have created it to begin with.
Are you saying God erred in his design?

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #98 on: February 28, 2007, 07:48:25 AM »
Tell that to Bast.

Beach bum, circumcision removes more than just a little skin, ...it takes some precious nerve endings with it.
Not to mention the trauma it causes. Most circumcized guys don't miss it because they have no frame of reference, ...much like circumsized girls. If it was simply superfluous skin, God wouldn't have created it to begin with.
Are you saying God erred in his design?



It's not really comparable. Circumcized males are able to orgasm.  Circumcized females are not.  There are many, many more health, emotional issues related to female mutilation.

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Re: honor killin in britain: famly was getting too "westernized" for father
« Reply #99 on: February 28, 2007, 08:06:40 AM »


I'm not saying it shouldn't be exposed or that people should be silent to avoid offending others of another culture.

I'm saying it is what it is... another case of domestic violence, and to report it in a way that makes it infammatory against muslims detracts from the fact that it is domestic violence that cuts across all walks of society. Is it any more outrageous that a Muslim woman was killed? Should we have more empathy for her and her family than we do for a blonde haired, blue eyed, WASP woman murdered at the hands of her husband? I say NO. Each incident should provoke an equal outrage, ...but that's not the case is it?


I was curious and so did a little back checking.  It seems that this was reported as a typical, tragic spousal abuse case, until the inquest a short time ago.  There, friends and family gave statements to the effect that culture did play a part in the husband's choice to off the family. so there doesn't seem to be any bias one way or another on the part of the news sources.

I don't think a muslim woman is worth more than a blonde WASP.  However,  I don't think she is worth less either. So, as I said before, if a certain group of people keep perpetrating a crime in the name of their culture, that should be exposed and discouraged.  Doesn't matter if it's muslims, quakers, whoever commiting the act.  It wasn't all that long ago that women of another religious community had reason to fear honor killings.  People raised a stink... it doesn't happen anymore.