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back pain bad!
« on: March 15, 2007, 10:50:55 AM »
Hey i gotta quick question for anyone on here that'll answer it. Yesterday i was doing flat bench and after that when i was moving onto incline i did one set and all of a sudden my back fucking hurt like shit. i dont think i pulled anything but i dont know. The source of the pain seems to be right in the area of my right shoulder blade but not the shoulder blade, its between the area of my shoulder blade and my spine, but it hurts like shit mostly when i turn my neck. Anyone ever had this? if so what did you do to ease the pain?
Right now ive been tryin a heating pad and ib profin.  any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks! chris

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Re: back pain bad!
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2007, 07:04:20 PM »
It's a muscle strain. I've had it several times over the years following benching. Switch to ice instead of heat. For about 48-72 after an injury, there will be inflammation forming and ice will keep the inflamm to a minimum. Try 15-20 minutes on and an hour off as often as you can for the next 2-3 days. Use the heat again after that. It'll hurt for a week or so. You'll be more prone to re-injure for about 2 weeks so just go lighter and don't do db or btn shoulder presses or heavy squats for 10-14 days. Find a good chiropractor and it won't come back very often.

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Re: back pain bad!
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2007, 09:22:01 PM »
Agree with the above with the exception of the chiropractor and the order of ice and warmth applications. You've strained something. The idea is to ice the area the first day to minimize tissue swelling (RICE), then go with warmth. Warmth both during rest and prior to recovery exercise that gets the blood flowing, using much less weight. At the bottom of this post i copied something about this from medicinenet.com.

What i'd add is that rest and sleep in particular's the best thing; every night's sleep will help repair it, because one of sleep's primary purposes is to repair and regenerage. There's no more effective time for recovery than this.

During recovery, either work around the injury by doing exercises that don't aggrevate it, or if that doesn't allow recovery, take a total break for a week. Happened to me recently: after taking a complete break suddenly one morning the pain went away almost completely. I tried to do this while continuing training and it didn't work in this case.

Then work back in slowly, lighter weights. Also consider whether the exercise, or low reps or lack or warmup, etc. etc. did this, and avoid. Something like that's sometimes unavoidable, just happens inexplicably & not often enough to worry about or change anything.

A chiro's job is adjusting the vertebrae. Muscle strain's unrelated to this. What might help somewhat is a good massage, to help the muscles relax and unknot and to encourage blood flow.



What happens to the tissues after an injury?

When a runner "pulls a groin" or a tennis player "strains a tendon," the soft tissues in the area of pain are injured. Immediately after the injury, there are disrupted fibers of the affected muscle, tendon, and/or ligament. Additionally, the tiny blood vessels (capillaries) that normally supply blood and oxygen to these tissues are broken. The broken capillaries then leak varying amounts of blood and serum into the adjacent tissues. Therefore, soon after a soft tissue injury, localized swelling occurs. The injured tissues become painful and tender, both directly from the trauma to them and indirectly from the subsequent swelling. This leads to the stiffness, pain, and tenderness that so often accompany the inflammation of tendinitis, bursitis, as well as strain and sprain injuries. It should also be noted that even a bone injury (such as a fracture) is typically accompanied by injury to the nearby soft tissues.

So, what is best applied after the injury?

In a word, ICE.

The swelling and much of the inflammation that follows an injury is largely due to the leakage of blood from the ruptured capillaries. Therefore, cold applications with ice can help by causing the blood vessels to constrict (clamp down). This constriction of the blood vessels prevents further leakage of blood and serum and minimizes swelling and pain. The cold from an ice pack application also has an added benefit of providing pain relief.

In fact, the optimal management of an acute injury can easily be remembered using the acronym, RICE:

Rest (minimize movement of the injured body part)

Ice (apply a cold pack)

Compression (light pressure wrap to the affected body part can help minimize leakage of blood and swelling)

Elevation (raise the body part up so that the pressure from the blood and tissue swelling the affected area is reduced as the fluids drain from the area by gravity)

How does ice help after an injury and how might heat hurt?

As stated above, icing the injured tissues helps by limiting the leakage of blood and serum from the capillaries into the adjacent tissues. Ice also prevents swelling. In contrast, heating tissues causes the capillaries to widen. This widening can cause an increase in the leakage of blood from the capillaries and add to the swelling and pain. It is important to note that the blood that leaks into the tissues will later lead to inflammation, which slows the healing process.

What about recovery after the injury?

The days after an injury, when the tissues are healing, require a different approach from the immediate treatment. Now, the blood leakage from the injured capillaries has generally stopped because the capillaries have been naturally plugged by microscopic blood clots in the repair process. The blood that remains in the tissues needs to be reabsorbed by the body. At this time, heat applications can help, especially prior to recovery exercise workouts. The heat provides an additional benefit by relaxing the muscles of the injured area so that the workouts can occur as safely as possible. Frequently, immediately after a recovery workout, ice is applied so that leakage of serum and/or blood from any capillaries that are disrupted during the workout is minimized.

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Re: back pain bad!
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2007, 11:58:08 PM »
thank you for the responces! ive taken both of your advice. Got a massage and have been using a heating pad and ice and have been getting lots of rest and it definately feels about 85% better! thank god cause it was hurting so DAMN BAD!  I have been and also am going to take a few more days of from the gym following pumpster's advice.   I appreciate the help Pumpster and Levator!

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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2007, 12:08:22 PM »
Back? If its ongoing  DEMAND A MRI! 
And look at each Pic Yourself! My Dr downplayed a squashed disc and only showed the better looking
MRIs. He also hid a recomendo from the Ortho surgeon to prescribe strong narcotic. Disc is squashed and cracked.
To This jerk, his "moral ethical" opinions are more important than the advice of 3 specialists.

If its ongoing - get a good look at it - yourself. Each and every picture. The Medical Industry in the USA is a sickening joke.

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2007, 01:21:37 PM »
Back? If its ongoing  DEMAND A MRI! 
And look at each Pic Yourself! My Dr downplayed a squashed disc and only showed the better looking
MRIs. He also hid a recomendo from the Ortho surgeon to prescribe strong narcotic. Disc is squashed and cracked.
To This jerk, his "moral ethical" opinions are more important than the advice of 3 specialists.

If its ongoing - get a good look at it - yourself. Each and every picture. The Medical Industry in the USA is a sickening joke.

MRI's only necessary if the problem's proven more serious & long-lasting, otherwise it's overkill & may not help at all.

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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2007, 01:25:14 PM »
Right, I said ongoing. If it last and lasts, dont let them blow you off. YOu need to get real forcefull
sometimes. They are under pressure to reign in tests.

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Re: back pain bad!
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2007, 08:07:19 PM »
increase your omega-3's and take Garden of Life's " F.Y.I."..