ICE CREAMS and calorie is a calorie and Haha Apenis - all three threads merged.

[Mr. Intenseone]

Yeah daddy? Why not have too shit logs with a cup of urine instead of a burger?

I see your back for another owning, glutton for punishment?

[onlyme]

Yeah daddy? Why not have too shit logs with a cup of urine instead of a burger?

Hey none of us want to eat the same as you.

[GoneAway]

I'm sure it's been said before, but if a calorie is a calorie and there is nothing more to it than that, why not have 2000 calories of candy a day instead of mixing your calories with burgers, chips, candy and whatever else?

[Hedgehog]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1844991&dopt=Citation

Lemon PW.
Applied Physiology Research Laboratory, Kent State University, OH 44242.

The debate regarding optimal protein/amino acid needs of strength athletes is an old one. Recent evidence indicates that actual requirements are higher than those of more sedentary individuals, although this is not widely recognized. Some data even suggest that high protein/amino acid diets can enhance the development of muscle mass and strength when combined with heavy resistance exercise training. Novices may have higher needs than experienced strength athletes, and substantial interindividual variability exists. [/size]Perhaps the most important single factor determining absolute protein/amino acid need is the adequacy of energy intake. Present data indicate that strength athletes should consume approximately 12-15% of their daily total energy intake as protein, or about 1.5-2.0 g protein/kg.d-1 (approximately 188-250% of the U.S. recommended dietary allowance). Although routinely consumed by many strength athletes, higher protein intakes have not been shown to be consistently effective and may even be associated with some health risks.

Abeles, why do you post scientific articles that suggests that a high protein intake is beneficial?

-Hedge

[Alex23]

Abeles, why do you post scientific articles that suggests that a high protein intake is beneficial?

-Hedge

Hedge, you're a fucking indexing and memorizing genious man.

[The Enigma]

Here's the short translation to this long ass worthless (as far as bodybuilding goes) thread.................. .......eat less, lose weight, eat more gain weight, thanks Adonis for letting "The Enigma" "Pumpher" and myself own you AGAIN!

Owning Adonis is too easy.

Similar to a baby in diapers vs real men.

No challange.

[The True Adonis]

Read the last half.

Owning yourselves.

You don`t need more protein to get the amino acids.  THE MOST IMPORTANT, AS INDICATED BY THE STUDY, IS ADEQUATE AMINO ENERGY INTAKE. NOT HIGHER PROTEIN!Therefore a Higher Protein intake is useless.


I didn`t realize the lot of you were so stupid.  Did you all fail Reading Comprehension?



Perhaps the most important single factor determining absolute protein/amino acid need is the adequacy of energy intake. Present data indicate that strength athletes should consume approximately 12-15% of their daily total energy intake as protein, or about 1.5-2.0 g protein/kg.d-1 (approximately 188-250% of the U.S. recommended dietary allowance). Although routinely consumed by many strength athletes, higher protein intakes have not been shown to be consistently effective and may even be associated with some health risks.

[The True Adonis]

I clearly see why the lot of you are ignorant.

All too clear.   You guys failed Reading Comprehension.

[nycbull]

why dont you guys post studies that prove that athletes need huge amounts of protein. Why are you guys so lazy?

[The True Adonis]

why dont you guys post studies that prove that athletes need huge amounts of protein. Why are you guys so lazy?

No Reliable Data at all to prove that.  All evidence points to high Protein as being completely useless. hahahah   IF they find any, there is a direct link to Supplement sales and not peer reviewed.

The studies they DO find will all correlate in that a high and extreme Protein intake is not shown to be necessary or beneficial at all.

ADEQUATE is all you need.

[Rimbaud]

why dont you guys post studies that prove that athletes need huge amounts of protein. Why are you guys so lazy?

Maybe because they don't care & they just do what works for them. If high protein works for you then that's great. If low protein works for you that's fine too. I personally just use a moderate protein intake. I weigh about 235lbs. & probably take in about 150 grams of protein a day (somedays more, somedays less). That works for me but I don't push it on others. The only thing I recommend is doing what works for you & with your body.

[Hedgehog]

why dont you guys post studies that prove that athletes need huge amounts of protein. Why are you guys so lazy?

Why should I post such studies when I don't believe in high protein diets?

-Hedge

[Option D]

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We conclude that a calorie is a calorie. From a purely thermodynamic point of view, this is clear because the human body or, indeed, any living organism cannot create or destroy energy but can only convert energy from one form to another. In comparing energy balance between dietary treatments, however, it must be remembered that the units of dietary energy are metabolizable energy and not gross energy. This is perhaps unfortunate because metabolizable energy is much more difficult to determine than is gross energy, because the Atwater factors used in calculating metabolizable energy are not exact. As such, our food tables are not perfect, and small errors are associated with their use.

In addition, we concede that the substitution of one macronutrient for another has been shown in some studies to have a statistically significant effect on the expenditure half of the energy balance equation. This has been observed most often for high-protein diets. Evidence indicates, however, that the difference in energy expenditure is small and can potentially account for less than one-third of the differences in weight loss that have been reported between high-protein or low-carbohydrate diets and high-carbohydrate or low-fat diets. As such, a calorie is a calorie. Further research is needed to identify the mechanisms that result in greater weight loss with one diet than with another.



    ACKNOWLEDGMENTS 
 
ACB and DAS shared the tasks of drafting and revising the manuscript.


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Quote meltdown

[SteelePegasus]

Here's the short translation to this long ass worthless (as far as bodybuilding goes) thread.................. .......eat less, lose weight, eat more gain weight, thanks Adonis for letting "The Enigma" "Pumpher" and myself own you AGAIN!

wow..that theory sounds complicated..we need to attach a catchy name to it

the "Eat to live diet"

[Old_Rooster]

BMR at 6.5 cal per lb of bodymass says I require about 1450 cal at rest plus 450 per workout. So at about 1700 I'm defficient and should get ripped soon. Calories being calories and proteins, supplements being all a scam, I decided to get my 1700 cals on Cap n' Crunch and Cocopuffs, both will only bring me 4g of protein so I should be fine.

3 weeks later I'm wasting like there's no tomorow, my insulin is all fucked up and glucose to glucagon ratio is off the roof.

Where did I go wrong with my great application of those so called "Principles"?

Breaking out of that madness, I remembered something from biochemistry called PTOR (protein turn over rate). That scientifically proven rule says that my LBM x 1.818 is what I need to prevent from going catabolic. so that's about 310g of protein.


I come to the conclusion that the fucking idiots who think that "calories are calories" are misleading the goodhearted getbiggers.

Discuss 

u fucked up listening to the moron spout the calorie is a calorie bullshit.

[nycbull]

Why should I post such studies when I don't believe in high protein diets?

-Hedge

so then you partially agree with Adonis?

[The Enigma]

Hedgehog, McDonald's diets are so "yesterday"   hahahahhaha

Yeah.................so yesterday. 

[Alex23]

Read the last half.

Owning yourselves.

You don`t need more protein to get the amino acids.  THE MOST IMPORTANT, AS INDICATED BY THE STUDY, IS ADEQUATE AMINO ENERGY INTAKE. NOT HIGHER PROTEIN!Therefore a Higher Protein intake is useless.


I didn`t realize the lot of you were so stupid.  Did you all fail Reading Comprehension?



Perhaps the most important single factor determining absolute protein/amino acid need is the adequacy of energy intake. Present data indicate that strength athletes should consume approximately 12-15% of their daily total energy intake as protein, or about 1.5-2.0 g protein/kg.d-1 (approximately 188-250% of the U.S. recommended dietary allowance). Although routinely consumed by many strength athletes, higher protein intakes have not been shown to be consistently effective and may even be associated with some health risks.

2.0g/kg for a guy my size is ~220g  - You don't even get half of that with your dellusional principle. Hell you consider that to be high.

Can you explain what PTOR is without googling all morning? that's whay I though...

That's why you're so skinny, "bones".

End of the story.

[arce377]

ALL DRUGS!

[The True Adonis]

2.0g/kg for a guy my size is ~220g  - You don't even get half of that with your dellusional principle. Hell you consider that to be high.

Can you explain what PTOR is without googling all morning? that's whay I though...

That's why you're so skinny, "bones".

End of the story.

Feeding  the fat on your body Protein is useless. You are NOT 242 lbs of Muscle.

At least you realize that you need UNDER 1 Gram Per Lb of Bodyweight as you have noted.

This is a start.  Soon you will learn.  You are still very obese though.

[The True Adonis]

2.0g/kg for a guy my size is ~220g  - You don't even get half of that with your dellusional principle. Hell you consider that to be high.

Can you explain what PTOR is without googling all morning? that's whay I though...

That's why you're so skinny, "bones".

End of the story.

Also realize that you ARE NOT an ELITE Strength Athlete.

A Strength Athlete refers to OLYMPIC LIFTERS, who in this case, train for a few hours, full body, with many techniques involved.

You are barely more active than a Sedentary man.  You are a few days a week toolbag who does not spend a near fraction of the time in the Gym that an ELITE ATHLETE would.

[natural al]

Feeding  the fat on your body Protein is useless. You are NOT 242 lbs of Muscle.

At least you realize that you need UNDER 1 Gram Per Lb of Bodyweight as you have noted.

This is a start.  Soon you will learn.  You are still very obese though.

when are you gonna start giving Ellington Darden the props he deserves for coming up with your "principles"?  Does he know you're marketing them as your own?  How much did you pay for "massive muscles in 10 weeks" by the good Dr.?

honest questions.

[The True Adonis]

when are you gonna start giving Ellington Darden the props he deserves for coming up with your "principles"?  Does he know you're marketing them as your own?  How much did you pay for "massive muscles in 10 weeks" by the good Dr.?

honest questions.

I don`t know who Darden is, nor have I read anything he has put out.


You can`t get massive muscles in 10 weeks by the way.

[natural al]

I don`t know who Darden is, nor have I read anything he has put out.


You can`t get massive muscles in 10 weeks by the way.

hmmm....maybe you should check him out cause he's been saying what you say for over 20 years and you've actually quoted him almost word for word at times.  I'm gonna have to re-read some of arthur jones stuff too cause seems to me you might also be "borrowing" his ideas as well....but I'm sure you've never heard of him or read his stuff either.

[The True Adonis]

hmmm....maybe you should check him out cause he's been saying what you say for over 20 years and you've actually quoted him almost word for word at times.  I'm gonna have to re-read some of arthur jones stuff too cause seems to me you might also be "borrowing" his ideas as well....but I'm sure you've never heard of him or read his stuff either.

For training, I advocate training the WHOLE BODY every single time you set foot in the gym.  Train the Whole body as much as possible.