ICE CREAMS and calorie is a calorie and Haha Apenis - all three threads merged.

[Disgusted]

But that's what Disgusted said in this thread, if one adds refined sugar to a mainenance diet, he would lose weight. He did not mean metabolism boost, he meant constantly adding refined sugar to the diet and losing weight because the refined sugar would substract energy from the body.

Yes and no. We are getting into a very complex discussion here which unfortunately is not easy to explain. I wish we were all sitting at a table talking face to face. Eating tons of table sugar will also create a hellova insulin response from the body which in turn can cause your body to store fat. There are many factors involved.

Wave, you are the one that is making the mistake of thinking of adding sugar into your diet to create a negative caloric response. To be blunt this is foolish. My MAIN point was that sugar provides no nutritional value and robs your body of nutrients!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TacoBell]

Adonis' diet is very simple and it will obviously work. Why is there such a big fuss about it?

Because there are better, smarter, healthier, and more effective ways of dieting?

[Disgusted]

Why would you or anyone eat a 1/2 cup of table sugar?

The average person eats over 100 pounds of sugar per year.

[PJim]

Carbohydrates CERTAINLY are essential to life in MANY cases. For Instance:

Hypoglycemia can produce a variety of symptoms and effects but the principal problems arise from an inadequate supply of glucose as fuel to the brain, resulting in impairment of function (neuroglycopenia). Derangements of function can range from vaguely "feeling bad" to coma and (rarely) permanent brain damage or death. Hypoglycemia can arise from many causes and can occur at any age. It also sometimes occurs at random.

Again, dependant on the individual. I personally study and write more creatively on low carbs.

[haider]

what a dumb discussion, I'm sorry to say. Ridiculous.

you guys are discussing what nutrients are, and what a fucking carbohydrate is? 

That's like trying to debate physics but not being able to make your mind about what an atom is... you're not going to get very far.

[Disgusted]

No healthy individual ever died from not eating carbs.

[PJim]

what a dumb discussion, I'm sorry to say. Ridiculous.

you guys are discussing what nutrients are, and what a fucking carbohydrate is? 

That's like trying to debate physics but not being able to make your mind about what an atom is.. you're not going to get very far.

There is only one valid theory of anything. We're just in the process of finding it 

[wavelength]

Yes and no. We are getting into a very complex discussion here which unfortunately is not easy to explain. I wish we were all sitting at a table talking face to face. Eating tons of table sugar will also create a hellova insulin response from the body which in turn can cause your body to store fat. There are many factors involved.

Wave, you are the one that is making the mistake of thinking of adding sugar into your diet to create a negative caloric response. To be blunt this is foolish. My MAIN point was that sugar provides no nutritional value and robs your body of nutrients!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I fully agree that it's foolish, I will of course not try that as my next diet concept. I also understand that your main point was that refined sugar does not provide certain nutrients and may even "rob" the body of some nutrients. But to say it does not provide ANY nutrition (including the main purpose of it = energy), yet even robs the body of physical energy is a concept unknown to me. That's why I'm curious.

[The True Adonis]

Just to get a third opinion, TA: would one lose weight if he did nothing else to his maintenance diet than adding refined sugar? Or would he gain weight?

Lets be a little more specific if we may.

Person A has a caloric limit of 2500 lets say.  This means that he will neither gain weight nor lose weight given this hypothetical situation.  If we feed him 200 calories of sucrose he will gain weight with any amount that puts him over the 2500 calories for that matter.

[wavelength]

Lets be a little more specific if we may.

Person A has a caloric limit of 2500 lets say.  This means that he will neither gain weight nor lose weight given this hypothetical situation.  If we feed him 200 calories of sucrose he will gain weight with any amount that puts him over the 2500 calories for that matter.

That's what I was thinking up to now.

[Disgusted]

I fully agree that it's foolish, I will of course not try that as my next diet concept. I also understand that your main point was that refined sugar does not provide certain nutrients and may even "rob" the body of some nutrients. But to say it does not provide ANY nutrition (including the main purpose of it = energy), yet even robs the body of physical energy is a concept unknown to me. That's why I'm curious.

Just google sugar and nutritional value and you will find tons of info confirming just that.

[PJim]

I know TA's principles work for cutting and maintaining, I've experimented with all sorts of diets, the only qualm I have with this kind of diet is the elevated apetite which inevitably leads to overeating.

[The True Adonis]

The average person eats over 100 pounds of sugar per year.

Actually you are wrong.
Per capita sugar consumption in 2007 was 44.2 lbs per year. (18)

Source: U.S. Department of Agriculture, Economic Research Service. 2008. Table 51 -- Refined cane and beet sugar: estimated number of per capita calories consumed daily, by calendar year. Table 52 -- High fructose corn syrup: estimated number of per capita calories consumed daily, by calendar year. Table 53 -- Other sweeteners: estimated number of per capita calories consumed daily, by calendar year. Sugar and Sweeteners Yearbook 2007.

[wavelength]

Just google sugar and nutritional value and you will find tons of info confirming just that.

I already did and I could not find an article that would claim adding refined sugar to a diet could lead to an energy deficit (aka weight loss). Can you provide me with any reference or link?

[Disgusted]

Lets be a little more specific if we may.

Person A has a caloric limit of 2500 lets say.  This means that he will neither gain weight nor lose weight given this hypothetical situation.  If we feed him 200 calories of sucrose he will gain weight with any amount that puts him over the 2500 calories for that matter.

This is because the insulin response is greater than the caloric deficit. The deficit is small but it is there and over years takes it's toll on the body.  Like I said before you can take to groups of people and feed one group nothing and the other as much sugar as they like and the sugar group would starve first.

[chaos]

LOL, 11 pages.

[Disgusted]

Actually you are wrong.
Per capita sugar consumption in 2007 was 44.2 lbs per year. (18)

Source: U.S. Department of Agriculture, Economic Research Service. 2008. Table 51 -- Refined cane and beet sugar: estimated number of per capita calories consumed daily, by calendar year. Table 52 -- High fructose corn syrup: estimated number of per capita calories consumed daily, by calendar year. Table 53 -- Other sweeteners: estimated number of per capita calories consumed daily, by calendar year. Sugar and Sweeteners Yearbook 2007.

No I am not. It has steadily gone up each year.

http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/articles/050328/28sugar.b.htm


One sweet nation
Posted 3/20/05
Here are some facts about Americans' infatuation with sugar and syrup:

In 1967, Americans ate 114 pounds of sugar and sweeteners a year per capita, nearly all of it as either raw or refined sugar. In 2003, each person consumed about 142 pounds of sugar per year.

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Since high-fructose corn syrup was developed more than 30 years ago, consumption of the sweetener, which flavors everything from soda pop to ranch dressing, has skyrocketed. Now Americans down about 61 pounds a year each.

Since 1950, soft-drink consumption per capita has quadrupled, from about 11 gallons per year to about 46 gallons in 2003--nearly a gallon a week per person.

With all that sugar-eating, it's no wonder people don't have much room for their vegetables. In 2003, Americans consumed, on average, a dismal 8.3 pounds of broccoli and just over 25 pounds of dark lettuces (the kinds that are really good for you).

This story appears in the March 28, 2005 print edition of U.S. News & World Report.

[Disgusted]

Sugar's effect on your health

The average American consumes an astounding 2-3 pounds of sugar each week, which is not surprising considering that highly refined sugars in the forms of sucrose (table sugar), dextrose (corn sugar), and high-fructose corn syrup are being processed into so many foods such as bread, breakfast cereal, mayonnaise, peanut butter, ketchup, spaghetti sauce, and a plethora of microwave meals.


Here is a list of ways sugar can affect your health:

Sugar can suppress the immune system.
Sugar can upset the body's mineral balance.
Sugar can contribute to hyperactivity, anxiety, depression, concentration difficulties, and crankiness in children.
Sugar can produce a significant rise in triglycerides.
Sugar can cause drowsiness and decreased activity in children.
Sugar can reduce helpful high density cholesterol (HDLs).
Sugar can promote an elevation of harmful cholesterol (LDLs).
Sugar can cause hypoglycemia.
Sugar contributes to a weakened defense against bacterial infection.
Sugar can cause kidney damage.
Sugar can increase the risk of coronary heart disease.
Sugar may lead to chromium deficiency.
Sugar can cause copper deficiency.
Sugar interferes with absorption of calcium and magnesium.
Sugar can increase fasting levels of blood glucose.
Sugar can promote tooth decay.
Sugar can produce an acidic stomach.
Sugar can raise adrenaline levels in children.
Sugar can lead to periodontal disease.
Sugar can speed the aging process, causing wrinkles and grey hair.
Sugar can increase total cholesterol.
Sugar can contribute to weight gain and obesity.
High intake of sugar increases the risk of Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis.
Sugar can contribute to diabetes.
Sugar can contribute to osteoporosis.
Sugar can cause a decrease in insulin sensitivity.
Sugar leads to decreased glucose tolerance.
Sugar can cause cardiovascular disease.
Sugar can increase systolic blood pressure.
Sugar causes food allergies.
Sugar can cause free radical formation in the bloodstream.
Sugar can cause toxemia during pregnancy.
Sugar can contribute to eczema in children.
Sugar can overstress the pancreas, causing damage.
Sugar can cause atherosclerosis.
Sugar can compromise the lining of the capillaries.
Sugar can cause liver cells to divide, increasing the size of the liver.
Sugar can increase the amount of fat in the liver.
Sugar can increase kidney size and produce pathological changes in the kidney.
Sugar can cause depression.
Sugar can increase the body's fluid retention.
Sugar can cause hormonal imbalance.
Sugar can cause hypertension.
Sugar can cause headaches, including migraines.
Sugar can cause an increase in delta, alpha and theta brain waves, which can alter the mind's ability to think clearly.
Sugar can increase blood platelet adhesiveness which increases risk of blood clots and strokes.
Sugar can increase insulin responses in those consuming high-sugar diets compared to low sugar diets.
Sugar increases bacterial fermentation in the colon.

[The True Adonis]

The average person eats over 100 pounds of sugar per year.

Even though the Per capita sugar consumption in 2007 was 44.2 lbs per year as stated by the USDA, this still is meaningless in regards to eating 1/2 cup of sugar as a meal.

Anyways, Who sits down and says, "I am going to eat a half a cup of sugar today"? I haven`t seen anyone eat just a 1/2 of sugar by itself. Have you?

Also if you do the math, this comes to be .1210958904 lbs per day.  Not a whole lot at all. Less than a serving of Cell-Tech a day.  

[PJim]

Sugar's effect on your health

The average American consumes an astounding 2-3 pounds of sugar each week, which is not surprising considering that highly refined sugars in the forms of sucrose (table sugar), dextrose (corn sugar), and high-fructose corn syrup are being processed into so many foods such as bread, breakfast cereal, mayonnaise, peanut butter, ketchup, spaghetti sauce, and a plethora of microwave meals.


Here is a list of ways sugar can affect your health:

Sugar can suppress the immune system.
Sugar can upset the body's mineral balance.
Sugar can contribute to hyperactivity, anxiety, depression, concentration difficulties, and crankiness in children.
Sugar can produce a significant rise in triglycerides.
Sugar can cause drowsiness and decreased activity in children.
Sugar can reduce helpful high density cholesterol (HDLs).
Sugar can promote an elevation of harmful cholesterol (LDLs).
Sugar can cause hypoglycemia.
Sugar contributes to a weakened defense against bacterial infection.
Sugar can cause kidney damage.
Sugar can increase the risk of coronary heart disease.
Sugar may lead to chromium deficiency.
Sugar can cause copper deficiency.
Sugar interferes with absorption of calcium and magnesium.
Sugar can increase fasting levels of blood glucose.
Sugar can promote tooth decay.
Sugar can produce an acidic stomach.
Sugar can raise adrenaline levels in children.
Sugar can lead to periodontal disease.
Sugar can speed the aging process, causing wrinkles and grey hair.
Sugar can increase total cholesterol.
Sugar can contribute to weight gain and obesity.
High intake of sugar increases the risk of Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis.
Sugar can contribute to diabetes.
Sugar can contribute to osteoporosis.
Sugar can cause a decrease in insulin sensitivity.
Sugar leads to decreased glucose tolerance.
Sugar can cause cardiovascular disease.
Sugar can increase systolic blood pressure.
Sugar causes food allergies.
Sugar can cause free radical formation in the bloodstream.
Sugar can cause toxemia during pregnancy.
Sugar can contribute to eczema in children.
Sugar can overstress the pancreas, causing damage.
Sugar can cause atherosclerosis.
Sugar can compromise the lining of the capillaries.
Sugar can cause liver cells to divide, increasing the size of the liver.
Sugar can increase the amount of fat in the liver.
Sugar can increase kidney size and produce pathological changes in the kidney.
Sugar can cause depression.
Sugar can increase the body's fluid retention.
Sugar can cause hormonal imbalance.
Sugar can cause hypertension.
Sugar can cause headaches, including migraines.
Sugar can cause an increase in delta, alpha and theta brain waves, which can alter the mind's ability to think clearly.
Sugar can increase blood platelet adhesiveness which increases risk of blood clots and strokes.
Sugar can increase insulin responses in those consuming high-sugar diets compared to low sugar diets.
Sugar increases bacterial fermentation in the colon.

Sugar feeds yeast infections aswell 

[chaos]

Even though the Per capita sugar consumption in 2007 was 44.2 lbs per year as stated by the USDA, this still is meaningless in regards to eating 1/2 cup of sugar as a meal.

Anyways, Who sits down and says, "I am going to eat a half a cup of sugar today"? I haven`t seen anyone eat just a 1/2 of sugar by itself. Have you?

Also if you do the math, this comes to be .1210958904 lbs per day.  Not a whole lot at all. Less than a serving of Cell-Tech a day.  

How many calories in half a cup of sugar?

[Disgusted]

Even though the Per capita sugar consumption in 2007 was 44.2 lbs per year as stated by the USDA, this still is meaningless in regards to eating 1/2 cup of sugar as a meal.

Anyways, Who sits down and says, "I am going to eat a half a cup of sugar today"? I haven`t seen anyone eat just a 1/2 of sugar by itself. Have you?

Also if you do the math, this comes to be .1210958904 lbs per day.  Not a whole lot at all. Less than a serving of Cell-Tech a day.  

First of all it is a well known fact that the average person eats 130 to 150 pounds of sugar per year. And I agree that no one sits down and eats a half cup of sugar "by itself". But they easily do it in the foods that they eat. Drink a couple of sodas and eat a peice of cake and you have done just that.

[The True Adonis]

Sugar's effect on your health

The average American consumes an astounding 2-3 pounds of sugar each week, which is not surprising considering that highly refined sugars in the forms of sucrose (table sugar), dextrose (corn sugar), and high-fructose corn syrup are being processed into so many foods such as bread, breakfast cereal, mayonnaise, peanut butter, ketchup, spaghetti sauce, and a plethora of microwave meals.


Here is a list of ways sugar can affect your health:

Sugar can suppress the immune system.
Sugar can upset the body's mineral balance.
Sugar can contribute to hyperactivity, anxiety, depression, concentration difficulties, and crankiness in children.
Sugar can produce a significant rise in triglycerides.
Sugar can cause drowsiness and decreased activity in children.
Sugar can reduce helpful high density cholesterol (HDLs).
Sugar can promote an elevation of harmful cholesterol (LDLs).
Sugar can cause hypoglycemia.
Sugar contributes to a weakened defense against bacterial infection.
Sugar can cause kidney damage.
Sugar can increase the risk of coronary heart disease.
Sugar may lead to chromium deficiency.
Sugar can cause copper deficiency.
Sugar interferes with absorption of calcium and magnesium.
Sugar can increase fasting levels of blood glucose.
Sugar can promote tooth decay.
Sugar can produce an acidic stomach.
Sugar can raise adrenaline levels in children.
Sugar can lead to periodontal disease.
Sugar can speed the aging process, causing wrinkles and grey hair.
Sugar can increase total cholesterol.
Sugar can contribute to weight gain and obesity.
High intake of sugar increases the risk of Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis.
Sugar can contribute to diabetes.
Sugar can contribute to osteoporosis.
Sugar can cause a decrease in insulin sensitivity.
Sugar leads to decreased glucose tolerance.
Sugar can cause cardiovascular disease.
Sugar can increase systolic blood pressure.
Sugar causes food allergies.
Sugar can cause free radical formation in the bloodstream.
Sugar can cause toxemia during pregnancy.
Sugar can contribute to eczema in children.
Sugar can overstress the pancreas, causing damage.
Sugar can cause atherosclerosis.
Sugar can compromise the lining of the capillaries.
Sugar can cause liver cells to divide, increasing the size of the liver.
Sugar can increase the amount of fat in the liver.
Sugar can increase kidney size and produce pathological changes in the kidney.
Sugar can cause depression.
Sugar can increase the body's fluid retention.
Sugar can cause hormonal imbalance.
Sugar can cause hypertension.
Sugar can cause headaches, including migraines.
Sugar can cause an increase in delta, alpha and theta brain waves, which can alter the mind's ability to think clearly.
Sugar can increase blood platelet adhesiveness which increases risk of blood clots and strokes.
Sugar can increase insulin responses in those consuming high-sugar diets compared to low sugar diets.
Sugar increases bacterial fermentation in the colon.

I`m sorry, I am going to have to question your source,(Where is your source for that matter???) as it is TOTALLY WAY OFF from what the United States Department of Agriculture has. 

Here is the USDA chart for this year. 44.2 lbs as I stated earlier.

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:MfTEygw9wQcJ:www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/sugar/data/table51.xls+Refined+cane+and+beet+sugar:+estimated+number+of+per+capita+calories+consumed+daily&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

[benz]

i just want sperm in the morning, is it too much to ask?

[The True Adonis]

How many calories in half a cup of sugar?

387. Not many.