ICE CREAMS and calorie is a calorie and Haha Apenis - all three threads merged.

[The True Adonis]

Hahaha, so calories I get from eating a salad are used by my body the same way as calories from, say, a can of Coke?


Oh brother.

Again, A CALORIE WILL ALWAYS BE A CALORIE, the energy will always be the same no matter what.

MacroNutrients are different.
Think of it like this, using Diesel gas, Steam Power, Chicken Breasts, all have a caloric amount and can all be equal in energy.

In the human body, given that Nutrient amounts are easily met with a common diet. overall energy in the diet IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING in diet.

This is not Arguable.

[JOHN MATRIX]

The evidence is overwhelmingly NOT in favor of High Protein.

It has simply NEVER been demonstrated to be necessary, efficient or worthwhile.

All that money you guys have been wasting could have been spent elsewhere.

you are such a lunatic, ok since a 'calorie is a calorie', try this. for the next week, eat nothing but sugar packets and plain flour. lets see you thrive on that

[amoney86]

In the end  anyone worth looking at eats like a bodybuilder and anyone who eats like adonis looks like jared from subway.

[The True Adonis]

So where did I go wrong in your misinformative opinion?

You lack the most basic understanding of Scientific Fundementals is all.

You can remedy this by choosing to educate yourself.

What good does it do for you to remain ignorant?

[TheEgoCrusher]

BMR at 6.5 cal per lb of bodymass says I require about 1450 cal at rest plus 450 per workout. So at about 1700 I'm defficient and should get ripped soon. Calories being calories and proteins, supplements being all a scam, I decided to get my 1700 cals on Cap n' Crunch and Cocopuffs, both will only bring me 4g of protein so I should be fine.

3 weeks later I'm wasting like there's no tomorow, my insulin is all fucked up and glucose to glucagon ratio is off the roof.

Where did I go wrong with my great application of those so called "Principles"?

Breaking out of that madness, I remembered something from biochemistry called PTOR (protein turn over rate). That scientifically proven rule says that my LBM x 1.818 is what I need to prevent from going catabolic. so that's about 310g of protein.


I come to the conclusion that the fucking idiots who think that "calories are calories" are misleading the goodhearted getbiggers.

Discuss 

Alex, you are NOT BIG...you are FAT AS HELL.  

There is a difference my delusional friend.

[JOHN MATRIX]

In the end  anyone worth looking at eats like a bodybuilder and anyone who eats like adonis looks like jared from subway.

exactly, they can cite all the gay little 'studies' they want, all you have to do is look at the real world results

[The True Adonis]

you are such a lunatic, ok since a 'calorie is a calorie', try this. for the next week, eat nothing but sugar packets and plain flour. lets see you thrive on that

Again,
A MACRONUTRIENT IS NOT A MACRONUTRIENT, but a CALORIE WILL ALWAYS BE A CALORIE.

Energy can Neither be created or destroyed.  Everything you eat is energy.

[Ozzy]

You lack the most basic understanding of Scientific Fundementals is all.

You can remedy this by choosing to educate yourself.

What good does it do for you to remain ignorant?

I asked this once before, but here I go again:

Do you have any sort of education, meaning a degree or even a certificate, in the field of Human Anatomy, chemistry, or sports nutrition?

[Chick]

Again, A CALORIE WILL ALWAYS BE A CALORIE, the energy will always be the same no matter what.

MacroNutrients are different.
Think of it like this, using Diesel gas, Steam Power, Chicken Breasts, all have a caloric amount and can all be equal in energy.

In the human body, given that Nutrient amounts are easily met with a common diet. overall energy in the diet IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING in diet.

This is not Arguable.

Yes...and as you've pointed out, they work in very different ways.

Try running your car on chicken breasts...let us know how far you get.

Equally, eat nothing but diesel gas for a week and let us know your findings....

[The True Adonis]

No such thing as "eating like a bodybuilder".

[The True Adonis]

Yes...and as you've pointed out, they work in very different ways.

Try running your car on chicken breasts...let us know how far you get.

Equally, eat nothing but diesel gas for a week and let us know your findings....

Actaully, My Car runs on Vegetable Oil.

[benjamin pearson]

Actaully, My Car runs on Vegetable Oil.

o did you invent that while working for nasa

[Ozzy]

Actaully, My Car runs on Vegetable Oil.

Here's your sign.

[JOHN MATRIX]

Again,
A MACRONUTRIENT IS NOT A MACRONUTRIENT, but a CALORIE WILL ALWAYS BE A CALORIE.

Energy can Neither be created or destroyed.  Everything you eat is energy.

sure most anything u eat can be used as energy, but the muscle-building qualities not to mention in every other aspect of health are completely different for everything.

you can feed 2 athletes, one nothing but flour and cookies, and the other animal protein and potatoes, and while they could both be getting the same amount of 'energy' in theory, the second guy is going to be able to utilize it for muscle growth while the first guy is not.

[The True Adonis]

o did you invent that while working for nasa

Nope.

http://www.frybrid.com/

[whateva]

Again,
A MACRONUTRIENT IS NOT A MACRONUTRIENT, but a CALORIE WILL ALWAYS BE A CALORIE.

Energy can Neither be created or destroyed.  Everything you eat is energy.

So ,you can diet for a bodybuilding show eating sugar packets and plain flour  

[amoney86]

No such thing as "eating like a bodybuilder".

ok  

[The True Adonis]

So ,you can diet for a bodybuilding show eating sugar packets and plain flour  

You need to meet the basic Nutrition Requirements set out by the RDA which is easy to do.

Then you can eat all the Flour and Sugar you want, provided you don`t exceed a certain caloric limit.

[Ozzy]

So ,you can diet for a bodybuilding show eating sugar packets and plain flour 

Hahaha, yeah if you want to become diabetic.

[The True Adonis]

I asked this once before, but here I go again:

Do you have any sort of education, meaning a degree or even a certificate, in the field of Human Anatomy, chemistry, or sports nutrition?

I do. In Physics.

[Ozzy]

I do. In Physics.

Really, what sort of degree to you have?

Oh and physics isn't what I asked.

[SteelePegasus]

Hahahahahahahaha you little shit... yea it used to be

you have a big chest...but an even bigger gut


clen/t3/eca/reduced calorie...you will be down to 20% BF in no time

[The True Adonis]

Hahaha, yeah if you want to become diabetic.

Please Visit


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Good luck on going against this Prestigious body:
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Alliance for Aging Research
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[whateva]

You need to meet the basic Nutrition Requirements set out by the RDA which is easy to do.

Then you can eat all the Flour and Sugar you want, provided you don`t exceed a certain caloric limit.

thanks Adonis ,I'll do  

[pumpher]

Again, A CALORIE WILL ALWAYS BE A CALORIE, the energy will always be the same no matter what.

MacroNutrients are different.
Think of it like this, using Diesel gas, Steam Power, Chicken Breasts, all have a caloric amount and can all be equal in energy.

In the human body, given that Nutrient amounts are easily met with a common diet. overall energy in the diet IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING in diet.

This is not Arguable.

He is essentially correct. Read it more carefully. His view has been modified from his earlier "theory" to include the realization that macronutrients are processed differently and in different biochemical pathways.

I posted this in another thread:

A calorie is a calorie only if you've assumed it has been already absorbed across the intestinal wall and into the bloodstream in the same metabolic environment.

If you are looking at the caloric content of food before you eat it, a calorie does NOT necessarily equal a calorie in vivo.

You may have neglected to consider the timing of food, amount of food per serving, diurnal variation in hormonal environment, bioavailability, insulin response, permeability of intestinal villi to said factors, and the resultant effect of a "calorie" in different serum hormone (esp. insulin & cortisol) levels.

Layne & True Adonis are correct in that the total caloric intake is probably the most important consideration when losing weight, but there are many other factors to consider.